Brooks Bradley's Homemade Liposomal C Method

What follows is all of Brooks Bradley's original posts on The Silverlist

about this...This has already been cross posted in many places and

apparently he wants this info to be spread far and wide.

 

If you are not familiar with this man, he works with a private research

foundation that has no internet presence that you will find by search

engine. They research various simple cheap and effective alternative medical

protocols then he releases the synopsis of their results to the Silverlist

from time to time, then he disappears again.

 

He is getting on in years and simply does not spend as much time on any

forum as much as he used to. Those of us who have watched him for years know

that he does not deal in hyperbole and is a master of understatement and

courtesy, so the almost breathless nature of the first post really caused a

stir.

 

DaddyBob

 

 

-----------------

We are Euphoric...almost...over our enthusiasm regarding a substance which

became available about 24 months ago---and since subjected to a number of

different evaluations.

While the actual materials are not (essentially) modified in chemical or

biological essence.....the FORM of delivery is GREATLY improved and we have

enjoyed ASTONISHING results among all of our principal investigators

evaluating these materials. These research evaluations revolved around

substances yielded by a process called Liposomal Encapsulated Technology

(LET). All of our evaluations involved either Liposomal Encapsulated GSH or

Liposomal Encapsulated

Vitamin C. A majority of our experimental cases involved LET-based Vitamin

C.

About six months ago, inspired by the very recent (last 15 months)

documented research of Dr. Thomas Levy, M.D., and associates, we endeavored

to prosecute some evaluations of our own.......which centered on vitamin C

encapsulated by phospholipid liposomes. The actual material we utilized was

obtained from representatives of a firm holding some exclusive procedural

patents (Livon), but there are, probably, others now

available.....especially with the proclivities of firms for circumventing

existing patents. The material is called " Smart " Lyco-Spheric Nano-Spheres.

The principal characteristic which enables the substance to yield such

outstanding results, springs from its ability to present both in the blood

stream and the inter-cellular environments----simultaneously. I could hardly

believe Dr. Levy's original claims as to results they achieved. To wit: That

the ORAL ingestion of this " Vitamin C on Steroids " as the hype had

pronounced it-----turned out (at least for us), to be ...EXACTLY THAT. E.G.

5 GRAMS of the LET-type vitamin C (taken orally) did, indeed, yield results

comparable to 50 GRAMS OF IV ADMINISTERED vitamin C. We were, simply,

ASTOUNDED...by this result. I will not attempt to elaborate on our specific

experiments, but will state that our associates achieved some UNBELIEVABLE

results in very short time windows----and some involving stage IV carcinoma

(which had proven unresponsive to ALL EXISTING ALLEOPATHIC PROTOCOLS). The

implications are simply STAGGERING....for us.

The COST PROFILE simply COLLAPSES when considering such a

simple---non-toxic----address

to an amazing number of terminal-type insults. e.g. snakebite, botulinum,

viral insults from across the entire spectrum, etc).

I must go now, but I encourage list members to conduct a web search on this

manufacturing technology and the products available.....that actually

exhibit the nano-encapsulation technology.

Do understand that some condition/circumstance may present itself, that

could modify or, maybe, even negate our profound results...but I most

SERIOUSLY DOUBT such will be the case. At present, we can hardly believe our

results, but three other research groups (with whom we exchange information

periodically.....have effected results identical to ours.

 

------------------

 

In our recent researches evaluating this technology and, consequently, in

searching for possible " process " improvements/modifications which might

facilitate the " lay person " an opportunity for a DIY methodology achievable

in a home environment---we did achieve some notable progress.

First, a brief summary of our exploratory activity. Our literature searches

revealed several companies actively exhibiting valid capability in this area

(LET).

Typical, and demonstrably capable, is a company named MICROTEK.

Microteklabs.com

Helpful information is available here.

One fact became obvious, early on, to wit: The truly striking feature of LET

was a NATURALLY-occurring characteristic...... and not a man-made process,

that was driving this encapsulation process. That is, this process is a

function of an automatic, " natural tendency " of certain substances (e.g.

phospholipids in this case) to form tiny vacoules or

bubbles---called liposomes----when in a aqueous solution under certain

conditions. "

The keystone activity is that these liposomes automatically fill themselves

with whatever aqueous solution they were in----before they were formed.

" This type of bubble, called a membrane, forms a protective barrier around

virtually every cell in the human body. "

Livon Labs has perfected a process which employs a high-pressure (1700

p.s.i.) discharge system which directs a liquid stream against a forming

plate. The high impact forces the phospholipids (soy lecithin in this case)

to form liposomes----so small they require an electrom microscope for

viewing. This technology does not create the LET activity....it just

enhances it. In our personal researches we have determined the key to

exploiting the LET phenomenon appeared to be Livon's application of intense

force in their mixing methodology.

Enter the " enlightening " moment. Searching for a method of achieving

liposomal encapsulation, it occurred to us to explore ultrasonic stimulation

as an option. It worked...maybe not quite as well as Livon's " high tech "

brute force approach...but about 70% as well. Plenty efficient for our

purposes.

Our vitamin " C " liposomal encapsulation protocol is as follows:

Using a small (2 cup) Ultrasonic cleaner, (Item #03305, obtainable from

Harbor Freight @ about $30.00), we performed the following:

1. Dissolved 3 level tablespoons of soy lecithin in 1 cup of water

(preferably distilled).

2. Dissolved 1 level tablespoon of ascorbic acid powder (Vit. " C " ) in 1/2

cup

of water.

3. Poured both solutions together in the ultrasonic cleaner bowl and turned

the unit on. Using a plastic straw (leaving the top of the cleaner opened),

gently, slowly, stirred the contents. Note: The cleaner will, automatically,

self-stop about every 2 minutes. Just push ON button to continue. Repeat for

a total of 3 series (6 minutes). By that time the entire solution should be

blended into a cloudy, homogeneous,

milk-like mixture. The LET solution is now formed.

4. This protocol furnishes about 12 grams (12000mg.) of vitamin C product.

At 70% encapsulation efficiency, 8400 mg would be of the LET type. This

solution will keep, acceptably, at room temperature for 3 to 4 days.

Refrigerated, it will keep much longer. We use it so fast around our

place...there isn't enough left to be concerned over storage. The

" homogenizing effect " is so powerful that after 3 days at room temperature,

no precipitation or solution separation appears evident. This type of

sequestered vitamin " C " has demonstrated to be, at least 5 times more

effective (per volumetric measure) than any other form of orally-ingested

vitamin " c " ....that we have tested. Additionally, it appears to be even more

rapid in tissue-bed availability----than IV applications. An astounding

revelation....to us. We estimate the DIY researcher can produce the active

LET portion of this solution for 15 cents per gram....as against about $1.00

per gram from commerci! al sources.

It is my hope that this, limited, explanation of our activities in this

area,

is of some value to our do-it-yourself health-maintenance researchers. In

any event, this protocol has demonstrated to be n on-toxic and most helpful

to OUR RESEARCHES.

Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.

p.s. A larger, more powerful, ultrasonic cleaner is now available at Harbor

Freight. Item number 91593. 2+ liters, for about $60.00. Both units have

performed quite well for us. Almost as well as our $500.00 lead zirconate

titanate, research grade, unit.

 

------------------------

 

My apologies; I neglected to outline the attendant, probable, variations in

the

protocol. What I SHOULD have said in my original post is " The visible,

obviously

homogenized, portion of the solution " , whenever I made the comment about the

stability of the completed, resultant, material.

I believe you will gain a little better knowledge of the results you

achieved, after reading my most recent comment on an inquiry by Sheila.

Bottom line----your result was perfectly normal. Interestingly, the meniscus

may present at the top...or the bottom.....or not at all. Usually if the

initial material combination

has not run long enough to incorporate a majority of the lecithin (or there

is simply too much lecithin for the available ascorbic acid fraction.....the

meniscus will form on the top of the sample....within a few minutes after

stopping the US agitation.

If your procedure has run acceptably well and----long enough to homogenize

well, any meniscus formation will, generally, present on the BOTTOM after

overnight storage---

with or without refrigeration.

In any event, you are doing fine. If you do not want to consume the isolated

lecithin fraction you are observing, just decant the homogenized liposome

solution and

dispose of the isolated lecithin fraction.

I hope this information helps your dilema.

Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.

p.s. One just needs to continue to experiment " around-the-edges " of this

protocol, in order to achieve optimum results. Do not be reluctant to do

such...this IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE....just common sense.

 

------------------------

 

Your question has been asked by others....(private inquires addressed

directly to me). In the interest of saving me time and energy, I offer the

following explanation. First, soy lecithin is a " slow " incorporator, when

introduced into aqueous mediums....sometimes. Especially, when there is a

high

 

lecithin granule population ratio----relative to the total water volume. The

general reaction is that a major percentage of the lecithin blends readily

with the the water medium, but there will remain a definitive lecithin

component which floats on the surface and exhibits a somewhat " gelatinous "

appearance (this is quite natural, based upon the native characteristics of

the substances involved). Do not fret over encountering such

circumstances......they will not compromise the basic effectiveness of your

protocol. However, it is of some import to understand that the speed, and

completeness, of the incorporation of the granular lecithin---into the

aqueous medium, is affected by a number of conditions such as the total

amount of lecithin versus the total volume of water; the temperature of the

water-based solution and the strength of any other substance being

incorporated into the parent solution----from very weak, to saturated (none

of which are seriously comprom! ising). Under the best of conditions, even

after ultrasonic mixing for 8 to 9 minutes....there is, often, a thin

meniscus (a distinct separation between two or more liquids in the same

container). [Example: a thin layer of oil lying on top of water.] In the

liposome generation methodology we are discussing, the visible, gelatinous,

portion of the meniscus is principally made up

 

of unincorporated lecithin. Is IS NOT a problem....in fact the lecithin

component has useful, cardiovascular, health-support effects----beyond those

being discussed here.

 

Either (or both) of two measures may be executed to reduce the volume of

unincorporated lecithin you may be encountering. First, increasing the

volume of the total water fraction, or secondly, raising the temperature of

the total parent solution

 

and extending the time of US reaction exposure. One reason for the condition

you are encountering is that the closer one gets to achieving a saturated

solution of lecithin....the more resistant the process becomes to accepting

more granular lecithin into that solution-----until the point is reached

where no further material will incorporate---hence, THE SATURATION POINT IS

EXPERIENCED.

 

In my brief, original post, I did not discuss the nuances of speed, degree

or completeness of dissolution of the lecithin----or for that matter--- the

ascorbic acid fraction. Neither did I outline a number of other

considerations; such as the effects of varying the volume of water versus

the ratios of the solution components....or the total water volume versus

the protocol components....primarily, because such elaborations would not

serve usefulness/effectivity for the nontechnical

 

DIY person. I simply outlined a SAFE, mid-spectrum, protocol allowing the

average lay-person to achieve a measure of acceptable results for home

experimental research.

 

My personal bias is that it is better to have a small, uncombined, lecithin

fraction presenting as a meniscus.....than to strive toward what I perceive

to be a cosmetic achievement----of small consequence.....by means of

diluting the total

 

solution. In any event the excess lecithin is a positive addition.....it is

just not

 

active in the liposome process-----until some parameter changes that avails

it the opportunity participate in the encapsulation process.

 

My final comment on this subject: If it is of paramount importance to one,

 

regardless of reason.... by just increasing the water volume and

reactivating the US Cleaner for several minutes....the remaining lecithin

will (in almost all cases) go into the emulsified solution. However, bear in

mind, you have diluted the entire solution by an equivalent

 

strength-----with NO increase in total vitamin C component.

 

Please understand, these comments are not meant to browbeat " anyone " ....in

any way....but, rather, to aid the less technically-informed on the list.

 

Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.

 

 

------------------

 

Although not scientifically rigorous, I offer a simple test which will yield

the

DIY researcher some element of confidence that they do, in fact, have a

useful measure of liposomal

encapsulate.

First, pour about 4 ounces of your finished Vitamin C encapsulate into a

cylindrical, 12 ounce

water glass. Next, place 1/4 teaspoon of sodium bicarbonate into about 1

ounce of distilled water and stir

for 3 to 5 seconds. Next, pour the sodium bicarbonate solution into the

Vitamin C mixture and stir gently for several seconds. Note: If the

foam/bubble line which forms on top is 1/2 inch or less---in height---you

have about a 50% encapsulation efficiency. If the foam/bubble line is 3/8 of

one inch...or less, you have about a 60% efficiency. If the

foam/bubble line is 1/8 inch or less, you have about 75% efficiency. If the

foam/bubble line is

just a trace.....you should major in chemistry.

The percentages given above, represent the amount of the total Vitamin C

component incorporated during the encapsulation process.....that was

actually encapsulated. The less encapsulation....the greater the foaming.

What is, actually, occurring in this test is that the ascorbic acid fraction

is being transformed into the sodium ascorbate form of vitamin C. This test

does not negatively affect the usefulness of the solution you have

tested.....as the isolated Vitamin C component is not adversely affecting

the encapsulate (which is being protected by the lecithin bubble-covering.)

Actually, the sodium ascorbate form of vitamin C is greater than an

order-of-magnitude more soluble for tissue incorporation......than is the

ascorbic acid form.

In any event this simple test should serve to raise the level of confidence

in the DIY researcher....

that they do---in fact---have a useful measure of encapsulated vitamin C.

Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.

Thanks Bob, I obviously missed some of Brooks posts so many thanks for putting them all together. Next job is to print them out and file safely away. It's really great that Brooks does all this research and then makes it freely available to us all. We're very fortunate to have him as a member of our group. Cheers, Roger BOn 25/08/2009, at 4:36 AM, ransley wrote: What follows is all of Brooks Bradley's original posts on The Silverlist about this...This has already been cross posted in many places and apparently he wants this info to be spread far and wide.

I am sure confused, I purchased the ultrasonic device

recommended in the great article by Brooks Bradley.

It would emulsify only a small amount of the lecithin oil.

The ultrasonic seemed a little erratic so I took it back to

Harbor Freight and exchanged it for another unit.

That seemed better but I still think it is too weak for the job

of emulsifying the oil into the water.

Has anyone tried this and got good results?

Dave

 

 

 

 

oleander soup , <ransley wrote:

>

> What follows is all of Brooks Bradley's original posts on The Silverlist

> about this...This has already been cross posted in many places and

> apparently he wants this info to be spread far and wide.

>

> If you are not familiar with this man, he works with a private research

> foundation that has no internet presence that you will find by search

> engine. They research various simple cheap and effective alternative medical

> protocols then he releases the synopsis of their results to the Silverlist

> from time to time, then he disappears again.

>

> He is getting on in years and simply does not spend as much time on any

> forum as much as he used to. Those of us who have watched him for years know

> that he does not deal in hyperbole and is a master of understatement and

> courtesy, so the almost breathless nature of the first post really caused a

> stir.

>

> DaddyBob

>

>

> -----------------

> We are Euphoric...almost...over our enthusiasm regarding a substance which

> became available about 24 months ago---and since subjected to a number of

> different evaluations.

> While the actual materials are not (essentially) modified in chemical or

> biological essence.....the FORM of delivery is GREATLY improved and we have

> enjoyed ASTONISHING results among all of our principal investigators

> evaluating these materials. These research evaluations revolved around

> substances yielded by a process called Liposomal Encapsulated Technology

> (LET). All of our evaluations involved either Liposomal Encapsulated GSH or

> Liposomal Encapsulated

> Vitamin C. A majority of our experimental cases involved LET-based Vitamin

> C.

> About six months ago, inspired by the very recent (last 15 months)

> documented research of Dr. Thomas Levy, M.D., and associates, we endeavored

> to prosecute some evaluations of our own.......which centered on vitamin C

> encapsulated by phospholipid liposomes. The actual material we utilized was

> obtained from representatives of a firm holding some exclusive procedural

> patents (Livon), but there are, probably, others now

> available.....especially with the proclivities of firms for circumventing

> existing patents. The material is called " Smart " Lyco-Spheric Nano-Spheres.

> The principal characteristic which enables the substance to yield such

> outstanding results, springs from its ability to present both in the blood

> stream and the inter-cellular environments----simultaneously. I could hardly

> believe Dr. Levy's original claims as to results they achieved. To wit: That

> the ORAL ingestion of this " Vitamin C on Steroids " as the hype had

> pronounced it-----turned out (at least for us), to be ...EXACTLY THAT. E.G.

> 5 GRAMS of the LET-type vitamin C (taken orally) did, indeed, yield results

> comparable to 50 GRAMS OF IV ADMINISTERED vitamin C. We were, simply,

> ASTOUNDED...by this result. I will not attempt to elaborate on our specific

> experiments, but will state that our associates achieved some UNBELIEVABLE

> results in very short time windows----and some involving stage IV carcinoma

> (which had proven unresponsive to ALL EXISTING ALLEOPATHIC PROTOCOLS). The

> implications are simply STAGGERING....for us.

> The COST PROFILE simply COLLAPSES when considering such a

> simple---non-toxic----address

> to an amazing number of terminal-type insults. e.g. snakebite, botulinum,

> viral insults from across the entire spectrum, etc).

> I must go now, but I encourage list members to conduct a web search on this

> manufacturing technology and the products available.....that actually

> exhibit the nano-encapsulation technology.

> Do understand that some condition/circumstance may present itself, that

> could modify or, maybe, even negate our profound results...but I most

> SERIOUSLY DOUBT such will be the case. At present, we can hardly believe our

> results, but three other research groups (with whom we exchange information

> periodically.....have effected results identical to ours.

>

> ------------------

>

> In our recent researches evaluating this technology and, consequently, in

> searching for possible " process " improvements/modifications which might

> facilitate the " lay person " an opportunity for a DIY methodology achievable

> in a home environment---we did achieve some notable progress.

> First, a brief summary of our exploratory activity. Our literature searches

> revealed several companies actively exhibiting valid capability in this area

> (LET).

> Typical, and demonstrably capable, is a company named MICROTEK.

> Microteklabs.com

> Helpful information is available here.

> One fact became obvious, early on, to wit: The truly striking feature of LET

> was a NATURALLY-occurring characteristic...... and not a man-made process,

> that was driving this encapsulation process. That is, this process is a

> function of an automatic, " natural tendency " of certain substances (e.g.

> phospholipids in this case) to form tiny vacoules or

> bubbles---called liposomes----when in a aqueous solution under certain

> conditions. "

> The keystone activity is that these liposomes automatically fill themselves

> with whatever aqueous solution they were in----before they were formed.

> " This type of bubble, called a membrane, forms a protective barrier around

> virtually every cell in the human body. "

> Livon Labs has perfected a process which employs a high-pressure (1700

> p.s.i.) discharge system which directs a liquid stream against a forming

> plate. The high impact forces the phospholipids (soy lecithin in this case)

> to form liposomes----so small they require an electrom microscope for

> viewing. This technology does not create the LET activity....it just

> enhances it. In our personal researches we have determined the key to

> exploiting the LET phenomenon appeared to be Livon's application of intense

> force in their mixing methodology.

> Enter the " enlightening " moment. Searching for a method of achieving

> liposomal encapsulation, it occurred to us to explore ultrasonic stimulation

> as an option. It worked...maybe not quite as well as Livon's " high tech "

> brute force approach...but about 70% as well. Plenty efficient for our

> purposes.

> Our vitamin " C " liposomal encapsulation protocol is as follows:

> Using a small (2 cup) Ultrasonic cleaner, (Item #03305, obtainable from

> Harbor Freight @ about $30.00), we performed the following:

> 1. Dissolved 3 level tablespoons of soy lecithin in 1 cup of water

> (preferably distilled).

> 2. Dissolved 1 level tablespoon of ascorbic acid powder (Vit. " C " ) in 1/2

> cup

> of water.

> 3. Poured both solutions together in the ultrasonic cleaner bowl and turned

> the unit on. Using a plastic straw (leaving the top of the cleaner opened),

> gently, slowly, stirred the contents. Note: The cleaner will, automatically,

> self-stop about every 2 minutes. Just push ON button to continue. Repeat for

> a total of 3 series (6 minutes). By that time the entire solution should be

> blended into a cloudy, homogeneous,

> milk-like mixture. The LET solution is now formed.

> 4. This protocol furnishes about 12 grams (12000mg.) of vitamin C product.

> At 70% encapsulation efficiency, 8400 mg would be of the LET type. This

> solution will keep, acceptably, at room temperature for 3 to 4 days.

> Refrigerated, it will keep much longer. We use it so fast around our

> place...there isn't enough left to be concerned over storage. The

> " homogenizing effect " is so powerful that after 3 days at room temperature,

> no precipitation or solution separation appears evident. This type of

> sequestered vitamin " C " has demonstrated to be, at least 5 times more

> effective (per volumetric measure) than any other form of orally-ingested

> vitamin " c " ....that we have tested. Additionally, it appears to be even more

> rapid in tissue-bed availability----than IV applications. An astounding

> revelation....to us. We estimate the DIY researcher can produce the active

> LET portion of this solution for 15 cents per gram....as against about $1.00

> per gram from commerci! al sources.

> It is my hope that this, limited, explanation of our activities in this

> area,

> is of some value to our do-it-yourself health-maintenance researchers. In

> any event, this protocol has demonstrated to be n on-toxic and most helpful

> to OUR RESEARCHES.

> Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.

> p.s. A larger, more powerful, ultrasonic cleaner is now available at Harbor

> Freight. Item number 91593. 2+ liters, for about $60.00. Both units have

> performed quite well for us. Almost as well as our $500.00 lead zirconate

> titanate, research grade, unit.

>

> ------------------------

>

> My apologies; I neglected to outline the attendant, probable, variations in

> the

> protocol. What I SHOULD have said in my original post is " The visible,

> obviously

> homogenized, portion of the solution " , whenever I made the comment about the

> stability of the completed, resultant, material.

> I believe you will gain a little better knowledge of the results you

> achieved, after reading my most recent comment on an inquiry by Sheila.

> Bottom line----your result was perfectly normal. Interestingly, the meniscus

> may present at the top...or the bottom.....or not at all. Usually if the

> initial material combination

> has not run long enough to incorporate a majority of the lecithin (or there

> is simply too much lecithin for the available ascorbic acid fraction.....the

> meniscus will form on the top of the sample....within a few minutes after

> stopping the US agitation.

> If your procedure has run acceptably well and----long enough to homogenize

> well, any meniscus formation will, generally, present on the BOTTOM after

> overnight storage---

> with or without refrigeration.

> In any event, you are doing fine. If you do not want to consume the isolated

> lecithin fraction you are observing, just decant the homogenized liposome

> solution and

> dispose of the isolated lecithin fraction.

> I hope this information helps your dilema.

> Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.

> p.s. One just needs to continue to experiment " around-the-edges " of this

> protocol, in order to achieve optimum results. Do not be reluctant to do

> such...this IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE....just common sense.

>

> ------------------------

>

> Your question has been asked by others....(private inquires addressed

> directly to me). In the interest of saving me time and energy, I offer the

> following explanation. First, soy lecithin is a " slow " incorporator, when

> introduced into aqueous mediums....sometimes. Especially, when there is a

> high

>

> lecithin granule population ratio----relative to the total water volume. The

> general reaction is that a major percentage of the lecithin blends readily

> with the the water medium, but there will remain a definitive lecithin

> component which floats on the surface and exhibits a somewhat " gelatinous "

> appearance (this is quite natural, based upon the native characteristics of

> the substances involved). Do not fret over encountering such

> circumstances......they will not compromise the basic effectiveness of your

> protocol. However, it is of some import to understand that the speed, and

> completeness, of the incorporation of the granular lecithin---into the

> aqueous medium, is affected by a number of conditions such as the total

> amount of lecithin versus the total volume of water; the temperature of the

> water-based solution and the strength of any other substance being

> incorporated into the parent solution----from very weak, to saturated (none

> of which are seriously comprom! ising). Under the best of conditions, even

> after ultrasonic mixing for 8 to 9 minutes....there is, often, a thin

> meniscus (a distinct separation between two or more liquids in the same

> container). [Example: a thin layer of oil lying on top of water.] In the

> liposome generation methodology we are discussing, the visible, gelatinous,

> portion of the meniscus is principally made up

>

> of unincorporated lecithin. Is IS NOT a problem....in fact the lecithin

> component has useful, cardiovascular, health-support effects----beyond those

> being discussed here.

>

> Either (or both) of two measures may be executed to reduce the volume of

> unincorporated lecithin you may be encountering. First, increasing the

> volume of the total water fraction, or secondly, raising the temperature of

> the total parent solution

>

> and extending the time of US reaction exposure. One reason for the condition

> you are encountering is that the closer one gets to achieving a saturated

> solution of lecithin....the more resistant the process becomes to accepting

> more granular lecithin into that solution-----until the point is reached

> where no further material will incorporate---hence, THE SATURATION POINT IS

> EXPERIENCED.

>

> In my brief, original post, I did not discuss the nuances of speed, degree

> or completeness of dissolution of the lecithin----or for that matter--- the

> ascorbic acid fraction. Neither did I outline a number of other

> considerations; such as the effects of varying the volume of water versus

> the ratios of the solution components....or the total water volume versus

> the protocol components....primarily, because such elaborations would not

> serve usefulness/effectivity for the nontechnical

>

> DIY person. I simply outlined a SAFE, mid-spectrum, protocol allowing the

> average lay-person to achieve a measure of acceptable results for home

> experimental research.

>

> My personal bias is that it is better to have a small, uncombined, lecithin

> fraction presenting as a meniscus.....than to strive toward what I perceive

> to be a cosmetic achievement----of small consequence.....by means of

> diluting the total

>

> solution. In any event the excess lecithin is a positive addition.....it is

> just not

>

> active in the liposome process-----until some parameter changes that avails

> it the opportunity participate in the encapsulation process.

>

> My final comment on this subject: If it is of paramount importance to one,

>

> regardless of reason.... by just increasing the water volume and

> reactivating the US Cleaner for several minutes....the remaining lecithin

> will (in almost all cases) go into the emulsified solution. However, bear in

> mind, you have diluted the entire solution by an equivalent

>

> strength-----with NO increase in total vitamin C component.

>

> Please understand, these comments are not meant to browbeat " anyone " ....in

> any way....but, rather, to aid the less technically-informed on the list.

>

> Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.

>

>

> ------------------

>

> Although not scientifically rigorous, I offer a simple test which will yield

> the

> DIY researcher some element of confidence that they do, in fact, have a

> useful measure of liposomal

> encapsulate.

> First, pour about 4 ounces of your finished Vitamin C encapsulate into a

> cylindrical, 12 ounce

> water glass. Next, place 1/4 teaspoon of sodium bicarbonate into about 1

> ounce of distilled water and stir

> for 3 to 5 seconds. Next, pour the sodium bicarbonate solution into the

> Vitamin C mixture and stir gently for several seconds. Note: If the

> foam/bubble line which forms on top is 1/2 inch or less---in height---you

> have about a 50% encapsulation efficiency. If the foam/bubble line is 3/8 of

> one inch...or less, you have about a 60% efficiency. If the

> foam/bubble line is 1/8 inch or less, you have about 75% efficiency. If the

> foam/bubble line is

> just a trace.....you should major in chemistry.

> The percentages given above, represent the amount of the total Vitamin C

> component incorporated during the encapsulation process.....that was

> actually encapsulated. The less encapsulation....the greater the foaming.

> What is, actually, occurring in this test is that the ascorbic acid fraction

> is being transformed into the sodium ascorbate form of vitamin C. This test

> does not negatively affect the usefulness of the solution you have

> tested.....as the isolated Vitamin C component is not adversely affecting

> the encapsulate (which is being protected by the lecithin bubble-covering.)

> Actually, the sodium ascorbate form of vitamin C is greater than an

> order-of-magnitude more soluble for tissue incorporation......than is the

> ascorbic acid form.

> In any event this simple test should serve to raise the level of confidence

> in the DIY researcher....

> that they do---in fact---have a useful measure of encapsulated vitamin C.

> Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.

>

I'd sure like to know if there's an alternative to having to buy Liposomal C from the usual vendors. I think they charge waaaaayyyyy too much for what it is. As we're finding out, it's very inexpensive to make, (provided you can actually make it properly).

 

Who's made it successfully? Please help.

 

Steve--- On Mon, 9/7/09, good22490 <good2249 wrote:

good22490 <good2249 Re: "Brooks Bradley's Homemade Liposomal C Method"oleander soup Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 2:13 AM

I am sure confused, I purchased the ultrasonic devicerecommended in the great article by Brooks Bradley.It would emulsify only a small amount of the lecithin oil.The ultrasonic seemed a little erratic so I took it back to Harbor Freight and exchanged it for another unit.That seemed better but I still think it is too weak for the jobof emulsifying the oil into the water.Has anyone tried this and got good results?Daveoleander soup, <ransley > wrote:>> What follows is all of Brooks Bradley's original posts on The Silverlist> about this...This has already been cross posted in many places and> apparently he wants this info to be spread far and wide.> > If you are not

familiar with this man, he works with a private research> foundation that has no internet presence that you will find by search> engine. They research various simple cheap and effective alternative medical> protocols then he releases the synopsis of their results to the Silverlist> from time to time, then he disappears again.> > He is getting on in years and simply does not spend as much time on any> forum as much as he used to. Those of us who have watched him for years know> that he does not deal in hyperbole and is a master of understatement and> courtesy, so the almost breathless nature of the first post really caused a> stir.> > DaddyBob> > > ------------ -----> We are Euphoric...almost. ..over our enthusiasm regarding a substance which> became available about 24 months ago---and since subjected to a number of> different

evaluations. > While the actual materials are not (essentially) modified in chemical or> biological essence..... the FORM of delivery is GREATLY improved and we have> enjoyed ASTONISHING results among all of our principal investigators> evaluating these materials. These research evaluations revolved around> substances yielded by a process called Liposomal Encapsulated Technology> (LET). All of our evaluations involved either Liposomal Encapsulated GSH or> Liposomal Encapsulated > Vitamin C. A majority of our experimental cases involved LET-based Vitamin> C. > About six months ago, inspired by the very recent (last 15 months)> documented research of Dr. Thomas Levy, M.D., and associates, we endeavored> to prosecute some evaluations of our own.......which centered on vitamin C> encapsulated by phospholipid liposomes. The actual material we utilized was>

obtained from representatives of a firm holding some exclusive procedural> patents (Livon), but there are, probably, others now> available... ..especially with the proclivities of firms for circumventing> existing patents. The material is called "Smart" Lyco-Spheric Nano-Spheres. > The principal characteristic which enables the substance to yield such> outstanding results, springs from its ability to present both in the blood> stream and the inter-cellular environments- ---simultaneousl y. I could hardly> believe Dr. Levy's original claims as to results they achieved. To wit: That> the ORAL ingestion of this "Vitamin C on Steroids" as the hype had> pronounced it-----turned out (at least for us), to be ...EXACTLY THAT. E.G.> 5 GRAMS of the LET-type vitamin C (taken orally) did, indeed, yield results> comparable to 50 GRAMS OF IV ADMINISTERED vitamin C. We were, simply,>

ASTOUNDED... by this result. I will not attempt to elaborate on our specific> experiments, but will state that our associates achieved some UNBELIEVABLE> results in very short time windows----and some involving stage IV carcinoma> (which had proven unresponsive to ALL EXISTING ALLEOPATHIC PROTOCOLS). The> implications are simply STAGGERING.. ..for us. > The COST PROFILE simply COLLAPSES when considering such a> simple---non- toxic---- address > to an amazing number of terminal-type insults. e.g. snakebite, botulinum,> viral insults from across the entire spectrum, etc). > I must go now, but I encourage list members to conduct a web search on this > manufacturing technology and the products available... ..that actually> exhibit the nano-encapsulation technology. > Do understand that some condition/circumsta nce may present itself, that> could modify or, maybe, even

negate our profound results...but I most> SERIOUSLY DOUBT such will be the case. At present, we can hardly believe our> results, but three other research groups (with whom we exchange information> periodically. ....have effected results identical to ours. > > ------------ ------> > In our recent researches evaluating this technology and, consequently, in> searching for possible "process" improvements/ modifications which might> facilitate the "lay person" an opportunity for a DIY methodology achievable> in a home environment- --we did achieve some notable progress. > First, a brief summary of our exploratory activity. Our literature searches> revealed several companies actively exhibiting valid capability in this area> (LET). > Typical, and demonstrably capable, is a company named MICROTEK.> Microteklabs. com > Helpful information is available

here. > One fact became obvious, early on, to wit: The truly striking feature of LET> was a NATURALLY-occurring characteristic. ..... and not a man-made process,> that was driving this encapsulation process. That is, this process is a> function of an automatic, "natural tendency" of certain substances (e.g.> phospholipids in this case) to form tiny vacoules or > bubbles---called liposomes--- -when in a aqueous solution under certain> conditions. " > The keystone activity is that these liposomes automatically fill themselves> with whatever aqueous solution they were in----before they were formed.> "This type of bubble, called a membrane, forms a protective barrier around> virtually every cell in the human body." > Livon Labs has perfected a process which employs a high-pressure (1700> p.s.i.) discharge system which directs a liquid stream against a forming>

plate. The high impact forces the phospholipids (soy lecithin in this case)> to form liposomes--- -so small they require an electrom microscope for> viewing. This technology does not create the LET activity.... it just> enhances it. In our personal researches we have determined the key to> exploiting the LET phenomenon appeared to be Livon's application of intense> force in their mixing methodology. > Enter the "enlightening" moment. Searching for a method of achieving> liposomal encapsulation, it occurred to us to explore ultrasonic stimulation> as an option. It worked...maybe not quite as well as Livon's "high tech"> brute force approach...but about 70% as well. Plenty efficient for our> purposes. > Our vitamin "C" liposomal encapsulation protocol is as follows: > Using a small (2 cup) Ultrasonic cleaner, (Item #03305, obtainable from> Harbor Freight @ about

$30.00), we performed the following: > 1. Dissolved 3 level tablespoons of soy lecithin in 1 cup of water> (preferably distilled). > 2. Dissolved 1 level tablespoon of ascorbic acid powder (Vit. "C") in 1/2> cup > of water. > 3. Poured both solutions together in the ultrasonic cleaner bowl and turned> the unit on. Using a plastic straw (leaving the top of the cleaner opened),> gently, slowly, stirred the contents. Note: The cleaner will, automatically,> self-stop about every 2 minutes. Just push ON button to continue. Repeat for> a total of 3 series (6 minutes). By that time the entire solution should be> blended into a cloudy, homogeneous, > milk-like mixture. The LET solution is now formed. > 4. This protocol furnishes about 12 grams (12000mg.) of vitamin C product.> At 70% encapsulation efficiency, 8400 mg would be of the LET type. This> solution

will keep, acceptably, at room temperature for 3 to 4 days.> Refrigerated, it will keep much longer. We use it so fast around our> place...there isn't enough left to be concerned over storage. The> "homogenizing effect" is so powerful that after 3 days at room temperature,> no precipitation or solution separation appears evident. This type of> sequestered vitamin "C" has demonstrated to be, at least 5 times more> effective (per volumetric measure) than any other form of orally-ingested> vitamin "c"....that we have tested. Additionally, it appears to be even more> rapid in tissue-bed availability- ---than IV applications. An astounding> revelation.. ..to us. We estimate the DIY researcher can produce the active> LET portion of this solution for 15 cents per gram....as against about $1.00> per gram from commerci! al sources. > It is my hope that this, limited, explanation

of our activities in this> area, > is of some value to our do-it-yourself health-maintenance researchers. In> any event, this protocol has demonstrated to be n on-toxic and most helpful> to OUR RESEARCHES. > Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. > p.s. A larger, more powerful, ultrasonic cleaner is now available at Harbor> Freight. Item number 91593. 2+ liters, for about $60.00. Both units have> performed quite well for us. Almost as well as our $500.00 lead zirconate> titanate, research grade, unit. > > ------------ --------- ---> > My apologies; I neglected to outline the attendant, probable, variations in> the > protocol. What I SHOULD have said in my original post is "The visible,> obviously > homogenized, portion of the solution", whenever I made the comment about the> stability of the completed, resultant, material. > I believe

you will gain a little better knowledge of the results you> achieved, after reading my most recent comment on an inquiry by Sheila. > Bottom line----your result was perfectly normal. Interestingly, the meniscus> may present at the top...or the bottom.....or not at all. Usually if the> initial material combination > has not run long enough to incorporate a majority of the lecithin (or there> is simply too much lecithin for the available ascorbic acid fraction.... .the> meniscus will form on the top of the sample....within a few minutes after> stopping the US agitation. > If your procedure has run acceptably well and----long enough to homogenize> well, any meniscus formation will, generally, present on the BOTTOM after> overnight storage--- > with or without refrigeration. > In any event, you are doing fine. If you do not want to consume the isolated>

lecithin fraction you are observing, just decant the homogenized liposome> solution and > dispose of the isolated lecithin fraction. > I hope this information helps your dilema. > Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. > p.s. One just needs to continue to experiment "around-the- edges" of this> protocol, in order to achieve optimum results. Do not be reluctant to do> such...this IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE....just common sense. > > ------------ --------- ---> > Your question has been asked by others....(private inquires addressed> directly to me). In the interest of saving me time and energy, I offer the> following explanation. First, soy lecithin is a "slow" incorporator, when> introduced into aqueous mediums....sometime s. Especially, when there is a> high > > lecithin granule population ratio----relative to the total water volume. The> general

reaction is that a major percentage of the lecithin blends readily> with the the water medium, but there will remain a definitive lecithin> component which floats on the surface and exhibits a somewhat "gelatinous"> appearance (this is quite natural, based upon the native characteristics of> the substances involved). Do not fret over encountering such> circumstances. .....they will not compromise the basic effectiveness of your> protocol. However, it is of some import to understand that the speed, and> completeness, of the incorporation of the granular lecithin---into the> aqueous medium, is affected by a number of conditions such as the total> amount of lecithin versus the total volume of water; the temperature of the> water-based solution and the strength of any other substance being> incorporated into the parent solution---- from very weak, to saturated (none> of

which are seriously comprom! ising). Under the best of conditions, even> after ultrasonic mixing for 8 to 9 minutes....there is, often, a thin> meniscus (a distinct separation between two or more liquids in the same> container). [Example: a thin layer of oil lying on top of water.] In the> liposome generation methodology we are discussing, the visible, gelatinous,> portion of the meniscus is principally made up > > of unincorporated lecithin. Is IS NOT a problem....in fact the lecithin> component has useful, cardiovascular, health-support effects----beyond those> being discussed here. > > Either (or both) of two measures may be executed to reduce the volume of> unincorporated lecithin you may be encountering. First, increasing the> volume of the total water fraction, or secondly, raising the temperature of> the total parent solution > > and

extending the time of US reaction exposure. One reason for the condition> you are encountering is that the closer one gets to achieving a saturated> solution of lecithin.... the more resistant the process becomes to accepting> more granular lecithin into that solution---- -until the point is reached> where no further material will incorporate- --hence, THE SATURATION POINT IS> EXPERIENCED. > > In my brief, original post, I did not discuss the nuances of speed, degree> or completeness of dissolution of the lecithin---- or for that matter--- the> ascorbic acid fraction. Neither did I outline a number of other> considerations; such as the effects of varying the volume of water versus> the ratios of the solution components.. ..or the total water volume versus> the protocol components.. ..primarily, because such elaborations would not> serve usefulness/effectiv ity for

the nontechnical > > DIY person. I simply outlined a SAFE, mid-spectrum, protocol allowing the> average lay-person to achieve a measure of acceptable results for home> experimental research. > > My personal bias is that it is better to have a small, uncombined, lecithin> fraction presenting as a meniscus.... .than to strive toward what I perceive> to be a cosmetic achievement- ---of small consequence. ....by means of> diluting the total > > solution. In any event the excess lecithin is a positive addition.... .it is> just not > > active in the liposome process----- until some parameter changes that avails> it the opportunity participate in the encapsulation process. > > My final comment on this subject: If it is of paramount importance to one, > > regardless of reason.... by just increasing the water volume and>

reactivating the US Cleaner for several minutes....the remaining lecithin> will (in almost all cases) go into the emulsified solution. However, bear in> mind, you have diluted the entire solution by an equivalent > > strength---- -with NO increase in total vitamin C component. > > Please understand, these comments are not meant to browbeat "anyone".... in> any way....but, rather, to aid the less technically- informed on the list. > > Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. > > > ------------ ------> > Although not scientifically rigorous, I offer a simple test which will yield> the > DIY researcher some element of confidence that they do, in fact, have a> useful measure of liposomal > encapsulate. > First, pour about 4 ounces of your finished Vitamin C encapsulate into a> cylindrical, 12 ounce > water glass. Next, place

1/4 teaspoon of sodium bicarbonate into about 1> ounce of distilled water and stir > for 3 to 5 seconds. Next, pour the sodium bicarbonate solution into the> Vitamin C mixture and stir gently for several seconds. Note: If the > foam/bubble line which forms on top is 1/2 inch or less---in height---you> have about a 50% encapsulation efficiency. If the foam/bubble line is 3/8 of> one inch...or less, you have about a 60% efficiency. If the > foam/bubble line is 1/8 inch or less, you have about 75% efficiency. If the> foam/bubble line is > just a trace.....you should major in chemistry. > The percentages given above, represent the amount of the total Vitamin C> component incorporated during the encapsulation process..... that was> actually encapsulated. The less encapsulation. ...the greater the foaming. > What is, actually, occurring in this test is that the ascorbic

acid fraction> is being transformed into the sodium ascorbate form of vitamin C. This test> does not negatively affect the usefulness of the solution you have> tested.....as the isolated Vitamin C component is not adversely affecting> the encapsulate (which is being protected by the lecithin bubble-covering. )> Actually, the sodium ascorbate form of vitamin C is greater than an> order-of-magnitude more soluble for tissue incorporation. .....than is the> ascorbic acid form. > In any event this simple test should serve to raise the level of confidence> in the DIY researcher.. .. > that they do---in fact---have a useful measure of encapsulated vitamin C. > Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.>

Hi Dave,My first 2 batches turned out not so good,then I let the lecithin set in

the water for about 10 minutes and then I used a stick blender and blended it

for a few seconds then I added the C and put it in the ultrasonic thing and then

it was perfect.......Barbara

 

oleander soup , " good22490 " <good2249 wrote:

>

>

> I am sure confused, I purchased the ultrasonic device

> recommended in the great article by Brooks Bradley.

> It would emulsify only a small amount of the lecithin oil.

> The ultrasonic seemed a little erratic so I took it back to

> Harbor Freight and exchanged it for another unit.

> That seemed better but I still think it is too weak for the job

> of emulsifying the oil into the water.

> Has anyone tried this and got good results?

> Dave

>

>

>

>

> oleander soup , <ransley@> wrote:

> >

> > What follows is all of Brooks Bradley's original posts on The Silverlist

> > about this...This has already been cross posted in many places and

> > apparently he wants this info to be spread far and wide.

> >

> > If you are not familiar with this man, he works with a private research

> > foundation that has no internet presence that you will find by search

> > engine. They research various simple cheap and effective alternative medical

> > protocols then he releases the synopsis of their results to the Silverlist

> > from time to time, then he disappears again.

> >

> > He is getting on in years and simply does not spend as much time on any

> > forum as much as he used to. Those of us who have watched him for years know

> > that he does not deal in hyperbole and is a master of understatement and

> > courtesy, so the almost breathless nature of the first post really caused a

> > stir.

> >

> > DaddyBob

> >

> >

> > -----------------

> > We are Euphoric...almost...over our enthusiasm regarding a substance which

> > became available about 24 months ago---and since subjected to a number of

> > different evaluations.

> > While the actual materials are not (essentially) modified in chemical or

> > biological essence.....the FORM of delivery is GREATLY improved and we have

> > enjoyed ASTONISHING results among all of our principal investigators

> > evaluating these materials. These research evaluations revolved around

> > substances yielded by a process called Liposomal Encapsulated Technology

> > (LET). All of our evaluations involved either Liposomal Encapsulated GSH or

> > Liposomal Encapsulated

> > Vitamin C. A majority of our experimental cases involved LET-based Vitamin

> > C.

> > About six months ago, inspired by the very recent (last 15 months)

> > documented research of Dr. Thomas Levy, M.D., and associates, we endeavored

> > to prosecute some evaluations of our own.......which centered on vitamin C

> > encapsulated by phospholipid liposomes. The actual material we utilized was

> > obtained from representatives of a firm holding some exclusive procedural

> > patents (Livon), but there are, probably, others now

> > available.....especially with the proclivities of firms for circumventing

> > existing patents. The material is called " Smart " Lyco-Spheric Nano-Spheres.

> > The principal characteristic which enables the substance to yield such

> > outstanding results, springs from its ability to present both in the blood

> > stream and the inter-cellular environments----simultaneously. I could hardly

> > believe Dr. Levy's original claims as to results they achieved. To wit: That

> > the ORAL ingestion of this " Vitamin C on Steroids " as the hype had

> > pronounced it-----turned out (at least for us), to be ...EXACTLY THAT. E.G.

> > 5 GRAMS of the LET-type vitamin C (taken orally) did, indeed, yield results

> > comparable to 50 GRAMS OF IV ADMINISTERED vitamin C. We were, simply,

> > ASTOUNDED...by this result. I will not attempt to elaborate on our specific

> > experiments, but will state that our associates achieved some UNBELIEVABLE

> > results in very short time windows----and some involving stage IV carcinoma

> > (which had proven unresponsive to ALL EXISTING ALLEOPATHIC PROTOCOLS). The

> > implications are simply STAGGERING....for us.

> > The COST PROFILE simply COLLAPSES when considering such a

> > simple---non-toxic----address

> > to an amazing number of terminal-type insults. e.g. snakebite, botulinum,

> > viral insults from across the entire spectrum, etc).

> > I must go now, but I encourage list members to conduct a web search on this

> > manufacturing technology and the products available.....that actually

> > exhibit the nano-encapsulation technology.

> > Do understand that some condition/circumstance may present itself, that

> > could modify or, maybe, even negate our profound results...but I most

> > SERIOUSLY DOUBT such will be the case. At present, we can hardly believe our

> > results, but three other research groups (with whom we exchange information

> > periodically.....have effected results identical to ours.

> >

> > ------------------

> >

> > In our recent researches evaluating this technology and, consequently, in

> > searching for possible " process " improvements/modifications which might

> > facilitate the " lay person " an opportunity for a DIY methodology achievable

> > in a home environment---we did achieve some notable progress.

> > First, a brief summary of our exploratory activity. Our literature searches

> > revealed several companies actively exhibiting valid capability in this area

> > (LET).

> > Typical, and demonstrably capable, is a company named MICROTEK.

> > Microteklabs.com

> > Helpful information is available here.

> > One fact became obvious, early on, to wit: The truly striking feature of LET

> > was a NATURALLY-occurring characteristic...... and not a man-made process,

> > that was driving this encapsulation process. That is, this process is a

> > function of an automatic, " natural tendency " of certain substances (e.g.

> > phospholipids in this case) to form tiny vacoules or

> > bubbles---called liposomes----when in a aqueous solution under certain

> > conditions. "

> > The keystone activity is that these liposomes automatically fill themselves

> > with whatever aqueous solution they were in----before they were formed.

> > " This type of bubble, called a membrane, forms a protective barrier around

> > virtually every cell in the human body. "

> > Livon Labs has perfected a process which employs a high-pressure (1700

> > p.s.i.) discharge system which directs a liquid stream against a forming

> > plate. The high impact forces the phospholipids (soy lecithin in this case)

> > to form liposomes----so small they require an electrom microscope for

> > viewing. This technology does not create the LET activity....it just

> > enhances it. In our personal researches we have determined the key to

> > exploiting the LET phenomenon appeared to be Livon's application of intense

> > force in their mixing methodology.

> > Enter the " enlightening " moment. Searching for a method of achieving

> > liposomal encapsulation, it occurred to us to explore ultrasonic stimulation

> > as an option. It worked...maybe not quite as well as Livon's " high tech "

> > brute force approach...but about 70% as well. Plenty efficient for our

> > purposes.

> > Our vitamin " C " liposomal encapsulation protocol is as follows:

> > Using a small (2 cup) Ultrasonic cleaner, (Item #03305, obtainable from

> > Harbor Freight @ about $30.00), we performed the following:

> > 1. Dissolved 3 level tablespoons of soy lecithin in 1 cup of water

> > (preferably distilled).

> > 2. Dissolved 1 level tablespoon of ascorbic acid powder (Vit. " C " ) in 1/2

> > cup

> > of water.

> > 3. Poured both solutions together in the ultrasonic cleaner bowl and turned

> > the unit on. Using a plastic straw (leaving the top of the cleaner opened),

> > gently, slowly, stirred the contents. Note: The cleaner will, automatically,

> > self-stop about every 2 minutes. Just push ON button to continue. Repeat for

> > a total of 3 series (6 minutes). By that time the entire solution should be

> > blended into a cloudy, homogeneous,

> > milk-like mixture. The LET solution is now formed.

> > 4. This protocol furnishes about 12 grams (12000mg.) of vitamin C product.

> > At 70% encapsulation efficiency, 8400 mg would be of the LET type. This

> > solution will keep, acceptably, at room temperature for 3 to 4 days.

> > Refrigerated, it will keep much longer. We use it so fast around our

> > place...there isn't enough left to be concerned over storage. The

> > " homogenizing effect " is so powerful that after 3 days at room temperature,

> > no precipitation or solution separation appears evident. This type of

> > sequestered vitamin " C " has demonstrated to be, at least 5 times more

> > effective (per volumetric measure) than any other form of orally-ingested

> > vitamin " c " ....that we have tested. Additionally, it appears to be even more

> > rapid in tissue-bed availability----than IV applications. An astounding

> > revelation....to us. We estimate the DIY researcher can produce the active

> > LET portion of this solution for 15 cents per gram....as against about $1.00

> > per gram from commerci! al sources.

> > It is my hope that this, limited, explanation of our activities in this

> > area,

> > is of some value to our do-it-yourself health-maintenance researchers. In

> > any event, this protocol has demonstrated to be n on-toxic and most helpful

> > to OUR RESEARCHES.

> > Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.

> > p.s. A larger, more powerful, ultrasonic cleaner is now available at Harbor

> > Freight. Item number 91593. 2+ liters, for about $60.00. Both units have

> > performed quite well for us. Almost as well as our $500.00 lead zirconate

> > titanate, research grade, unit.

> >

> > ------------------------

> >

> > My apologies; I neglected to outline the attendant, probable, variations in

> > the

> > protocol. What I SHOULD have said in my original post is " The visible,

> > obviously

> > homogenized, portion of the solution " , whenever I made the comment about the

> > stability of the completed, resultant, material.

> > I believe you will gain a little better knowledge of the results you

> > achieved, after reading my most recent comment on an inquiry by Sheila.

> > Bottom line----your result was perfectly normal. Interestingly, the meniscus

> > may present at the top...or the bottom.....or not at all. Usually if the

> > initial material combination

> > has not run long enough to incorporate a majority of the lecithin (or there

> > is simply too much lecithin for the available ascorbic acid fraction.....the

> > meniscus will form on the top of the sample....within a few minutes after

> > stopping the US agitation.

> > If your procedure has run acceptably well and----long enough to homogenize

> > well, any meniscus formation will, generally, present on the BOTTOM after

> > overnight storage---

> > with or without refrigeration.

> > In any event, you are doing fine. If you do not want to consume the isolated

> > lecithin fraction you are observing, just decant the homogenized liposome

> > solution and

> > dispose of the isolated lecithin fraction.

> > I hope this information helps your dilema.

> > Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.

> > p.s. One just needs to continue to experiment " around-the-edges " of this

> > protocol, in order to achieve optimum results. Do not be reluctant to do

> > such...this IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE....just common sense.

> >

> > ------------------------

> >

> > Your question has been asked by others....(private inquires addressed

> > directly to me). In the interest of saving me time and energy, I offer the

> > following explanation. First, soy lecithin is a " slow " incorporator, when

> > introduced into aqueous mediums....sometimes. Especially, when there is a

> > high

> >

> > lecithin granule population ratio----relative to the total water volume. The

> > general reaction is that a major percentage of the lecithin blends readily

> > with the the water medium, but there will remain a definitive lecithin

> > component which floats on the surface and exhibits a somewhat " gelatinous "

> > appearance (this is quite natural, based upon the native characteristics of

> > the substances involved). Do not fret over encountering such

> > circumstances......they will not compromise the basic effectiveness of your

> > protocol. However, it is of some import to understand that the speed, and

> > completeness, of the incorporation of the granular lecithin---into the

> > aqueous medium, is affected by a number of conditions such as the total

> > amount of lecithin versus the total volume of water; the temperature of the

> > water-based solution and the strength of any other substance being

> > incorporated into the parent solution----from very weak, to saturated (none

> > of which are seriously comprom! ising). Under the best of conditions, even

> > after ultrasonic mixing for 8 to 9 minutes....there is, often, a thin

> > meniscus (a distinct separation between two or more liquids in the same

> > container). [Example: a thin layer of oil lying on top of water.] In the

> > liposome generation methodology we are discussing, the visible, gelatinous,

> > portion of the meniscus is principally made up

> >

> > of unincorporated lecithin. Is IS NOT a problem....in fact the lecithin

> > component has useful, cardiovascular, health-support effects----beyond those

> > being discussed here.

> >

> > Either (or both) of two measures may be executed to reduce the volume of

> > unincorporated lecithin you may be encountering. First, increasing the

> > volume of the total water fraction, or secondly, raising the temperature of

> > the total parent solution

> >

> > and extending the time of US reaction exposure. One reason for the condition

> > you are encountering is that the closer one gets to achieving a saturated

> > solution of lecithin....the more resistant the process becomes to accepting

> > more granular lecithin into that solution-----until the point is reached

> > where no further material will incorporate---hence, THE SATURATION POINT IS

> > EXPERIENCED.

> >

> > In my brief, original post, I did not discuss the nuances of speed, degree

> > or completeness of dissolution of the lecithin----or for that matter--- the

> > ascorbic acid fraction. Neither did I outline a number of other

> > considerations; such as the effects of varying the volume of water versus

> > the ratios of the solution components....or the total water volume versus

> > the protocol components....primarily, because such elaborations would not

> > serve usefulness/effectivity for the nontechnical

> >

> > DIY person. I simply outlined a SAFE, mid-spectrum, protocol allowing the

> > average lay-person to achieve a measure of acceptable results for home

> > experimental research.

> >

> > My personal bias is that it is better to have a small, uncombined, lecithin

> > fraction presenting as a meniscus.....than to strive toward what I perceive

> > to be a cosmetic achievement----of small consequence.....by means of

> > diluting the total

> >

> > solution. In any event the excess lecithin is a positive addition.....it is

> > just not

> >

> > active in the liposome process-----until some parameter changes that avails

> > it the opportunity participate in the encapsulation process.

> >

> > My final comment on this subject: If it is of paramount importance to one,

> >

> > regardless of reason.... by just increasing the water volume and

> > reactivating the US Cleaner for several minutes....the remaining lecithin

> > will (in almost all cases) go into the emulsified solution. However, bear in

> > mind, you have diluted the entire solution by an equivalent

> >

> > strength-----with NO increase in total vitamin C component.

> >

> > Please understand, these comments are not meant to browbeat " anyone " ....in

> > any way....but, rather, to aid the less technically-informed on the list.

> >

> > Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.

> >

> >

> > ------------------

> >

> > Although not scientifically rigorous, I offer a simple test which will yield

> > the

> > DIY researcher some element of confidence that they do, in fact, have a

> > useful measure of liposomal

> > encapsulate.

> > First, pour about 4 ounces of your finished Vitamin C encapsulate into a

> > cylindrical, 12 ounce

> > water glass. Next, place 1/4 teaspoon of sodium bicarbonate into about 1

> > ounce of distilled water and stir

> > for 3 to 5 seconds. Next, pour the sodium bicarbonate solution into the

> > Vitamin C mixture and stir gently for several seconds. Note: If the

> > foam/bubble line which forms on top is 1/2 inch or less---in height---you

> > have about a 50% encapsulation efficiency. If the foam/bubble line is 3/8 of

> > one inch...or less, you have about a 60% efficiency. If the

> > foam/bubble line is 1/8 inch or less, you have about 75% efficiency. If the

> > foam/bubble line is

> > just a trace.....you should major in chemistry.

> > The percentages given above, represent the amount of the total Vitamin C

> > component incorporated during the encapsulation process.....that was

> > actually encapsulated. The less encapsulation....the greater the foaming.

> > What is, actually, occurring in this test is that the ascorbic acid fraction

> > is being transformed into the sodium ascorbate form of vitamin C. This test

> > does not negatively affect the usefulness of the solution you have

> > tested.....as the isolated Vitamin C component is not adversely affecting

> > the encapsulate (which is being protected by the lecithin bubble-covering.)

> > Actually, the sodium ascorbate form of vitamin C is greater than an

> > order-of-magnitude more soluble for tissue incorporation......than is the

> > ascorbic acid form.

> > In any event this simple test should serve to raise the level of confidence

> > in the DIY researcher....

> > that they do---in fact---have a useful measure of encapsulated vitamin C.

> > Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.

> >

>

I forgot to say I let it run thru 3 cycles for a total of 9 minutes......Barbara

 

oleander soup , " threeddoggal " <threeddoggal wrote:

>

> Hi Dave,My first 2 batches turned out not so good,then I let the lecithin set

in the water for about 10 minutes and then I used a stick blender and blended it

for a few seconds then I added the C and put it in the ultrasonic thing and then

it was perfect.......Barbara

>

> oleander soup , " good22490 " <good2249@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > I am sure confused, I purchased the ultrasonic device

> > recommended in the great article by Brooks Bradley.

> > It would emulsify only a small amount of the lecithin oil.

> > The ultrasonic seemed a little erratic so I took it back to

> > Harbor Freight and exchanged it for another unit.

> > That seemed better but I still think it is too weak for the job

> > of emulsifying the oil into the water.

> > Has anyone tried this and got good results?

> > Dave

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > oleander soup , <ransley@> wrote:

> > >

> > > What follows is all of Brooks Bradley's original posts on The Silverlist

> > > about this...This has already been cross posted in many places and

> > > apparently he wants this info to be spread far and wide.

> > >

> > > If you are not familiar with this man, he works with a private research

> > > foundation that has no internet presence that you will find by search

> > > engine. They research various simple cheap and effective alternative

medical

> > > protocols then he releases the synopsis of their results to the Silverlist

> > > from time to time, then he disappears again.

> > >

> > > He is getting on in years and simply does not spend as much time on any

> > > forum as much as he used to. Those of us who have watched him for years

know

> > > that he does not deal in hyperbole and is a master of understatement and

> > > courtesy, so the almost breathless nature of the first post really caused

a

> > > stir.

> > >

> > > DaddyBob

> > >

> > >

> > > -----------------

> > > We are Euphoric...almost...over our enthusiasm regarding a substance which

> > > became available about 24 months ago---and since subjected to a number of

> > > different evaluations.

> > > While the actual materials are not (essentially) modified in chemical or

> > > biological essence.....the FORM of delivery is GREATLY improved and we

have

> > > enjoyed ASTONISHING results among all of our principal investigators

> > > evaluating these materials. These research evaluations revolved around

> > > substances yielded by a process called Liposomal Encapsulated Technology

> > > (LET). All of our evaluations involved either Liposomal Encapsulated GSH

or

> > > Liposomal Encapsulated

> > > Vitamin C. A majority of our experimental cases involved LET-based Vitamin

> > > C.

> > > About six months ago, inspired by the very recent (last 15 months)

> > > documented research of Dr. Thomas Levy, M.D., and associates, we

endeavored

> > > to prosecute some evaluations of our own.......which centered on vitamin C

> > > encapsulated by phospholipid liposomes. The actual material we utilized

was

> > > obtained from representatives of a firm holding some exclusive procedural

> > > patents (Livon), but there are, probably, others now

> > > available.....especially with the proclivities of firms for circumventing

> > > existing patents. The material is called " Smart " Lyco-Spheric

Nano-Spheres.

> > > The principal characteristic which enables the substance to yield such

> > > outstanding results, springs from its ability to present both in the blood

> > > stream and the inter-cellular environments----simultaneously. I could

hardly

> > > believe Dr. Levy's original claims as to results they achieved. To wit:

That

> > > the ORAL ingestion of this " Vitamin C on Steroids " as the hype had

> > > pronounced it-----turned out (at least for us), to be ...EXACTLY THAT.

E.G.

> > > 5 GRAMS of the LET-type vitamin C (taken orally) did, indeed, yield

results

> > > comparable to 50 GRAMS OF IV ADMINISTERED vitamin C. We were, simply,

> > > ASTOUNDED...by this result. I will not attempt to elaborate on our

specific

> > > experiments, but will state that our associates achieved some UNBELIEVABLE

> > > results in very short time windows----and some involving stage IV

carcinoma

> > > (which had proven unresponsive to ALL EXISTING ALLEOPATHIC PROTOCOLS). The

> > > implications are simply STAGGERING....for us.

> > > The COST PROFILE simply COLLAPSES when considering such a

> > > simple---non-toxic----address

> > > to an amazing number of terminal-type insults. e.g. snakebite, botulinum,

> > > viral insults from across the entire spectrum, etc).

> > > I must go now, but I encourage list members to conduct a web search on

this

> > > manufacturing technology and the products available.....that actually

> > > exhibit the nano-encapsulation technology.

> > > Do understand that some condition/circumstance may present itself, that

> > > could modify or, maybe, even negate our profound results...but I most

> > > SERIOUSLY DOUBT such will be the case. At present, we can hardly believe

our

> > > results, but three other research groups (with whom we exchange

information

> > > periodically.....have effected results identical to ours.

> > >

> > > ------------------

> > >

> > > In our recent researches evaluating this technology and, consequently, in

> > > searching for possible " process " improvements/modifications which might

> > > facilitate the " lay person " an opportunity for a DIY methodology

achievable

> > > in a home environment---we did achieve some notable progress.

> > > First, a brief summary of our exploratory activity. Our literature

searches

> > > revealed several companies actively exhibiting valid capability in this

area

> > > (LET).

> > > Typical, and demonstrably capable, is a company named MICROTEK.

> > > Microteklabs.com

> > > Helpful information is available here.

> > > One fact became obvious, early on, to wit: The truly striking feature of

LET

> > > was a NATURALLY-occurring characteristic...... and not a man-made process,

> > > that was driving this encapsulation process. That is, this process is a

> > > function of an automatic, " natural tendency " of certain substances (e.g.

> > > phospholipids in this case) to form tiny vacoules or

> > > bubbles---called liposomes----when in a aqueous solution under certain

> > > conditions. "

> > > The keystone activity is that these liposomes automatically fill

themselves

> > > with whatever aqueous solution they were in----before they were formed.

> > > " This type of bubble, called a membrane, forms a protective barrier around

> > > virtually every cell in the human body. "

> > > Livon Labs has perfected a process which employs a high-pressure (1700

> > > p.s.i.) discharge system which directs a liquid stream against a forming

> > > plate. The high impact forces the phospholipids (soy lecithin in this

case)

> > > to form liposomes----so small they require an electrom microscope for

> > > viewing. This technology does not create the LET activity....it just

> > > enhances it. In our personal researches we have determined the key to

> > > exploiting the LET phenomenon appeared to be Livon's application of

intense

> > > force in their mixing methodology.

> > > Enter the " enlightening " moment. Searching for a method of achieving

> > > liposomal encapsulation, it occurred to us to explore ultrasonic

stimulation

> > > as an option. It worked...maybe not quite as well as Livon's " high tech "

> > > brute force approach...but about 70% as well. Plenty efficient for our

> > > purposes.

> > > Our vitamin " C " liposomal encapsulation protocol is as follows:

> > > Using a small (2 cup) Ultrasonic cleaner, (Item #03305, obtainable from

> > > Harbor Freight @ about $30.00), we performed the following:

> > > 1. Dissolved 3 level tablespoons of soy lecithin in 1 cup of water

> > > (preferably distilled).

> > > 2. Dissolved 1 level tablespoon of ascorbic acid powder (Vit. " C " ) in 1/2

> > > cup

> > > of water.

> > > 3. Poured both solutions together in the ultrasonic cleaner bowl and

turned

> > > the unit on. Using a plastic straw (leaving the top of the cleaner

opened),

> > > gently, slowly, stirred the contents. Note: The cleaner will,

automatically,

> > > self-stop about every 2 minutes. Just push ON button to continue. Repeat

for

> > > a total of 3 series (6 minutes). By that time the entire solution should

be

> > > blended into a cloudy, homogeneous,

> > > milk-like mixture. The LET solution is now formed.

> > > 4. This protocol furnishes about 12 grams (12000mg.) of vitamin C product.

> > > At 70% encapsulation efficiency, 8400 mg would be of the LET type. This

> > > solution will keep, acceptably, at room temperature for 3 to 4 days.

> > > Refrigerated, it will keep much longer. We use it so fast around our

> > > place...there isn't enough left to be concerned over storage. The

> > > " homogenizing effect " is so powerful that after 3 days at room

temperature,

> > > no precipitation or solution separation appears evident. This type of

> > > sequestered vitamin " C " has demonstrated to be, at least 5 times more

> > > effective (per volumetric measure) than any other form of orally-ingested

> > > vitamin " c " ....that we have tested. Additionally, it appears to be even

more

> > > rapid in tissue-bed availability----than IV applications. An astounding

> > > revelation....to us. We estimate the DIY researcher can produce the active

> > > LET portion of this solution for 15 cents per gram....as against about

$1.00

> > > per gram from commerci! al sources.

> > > It is my hope that this, limited, explanation of our activities in this

> > > area,

> > > is of some value to our do-it-yourself health-maintenance researchers. In

> > > any event, this protocol has demonstrated to be n on-toxic and most

helpful

> > > to OUR RESEARCHES.

> > > Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.

> > > p.s. A larger, more powerful, ultrasonic cleaner is now available at

Harbor

> > > Freight. Item number 91593. 2+ liters, for about $60.00. Both units have

> > > performed quite well for us. Almost as well as our $500.00 lead zirconate

> > > titanate, research grade, unit.

> > >

> > > ------------------------

> > >

> > > My apologies; I neglected to outline the attendant, probable, variations

in

> > > the

> > > protocol. What I SHOULD have said in my original post is " The visible,

> > > obviously

> > > homogenized, portion of the solution " , whenever I made the comment about

the

> > > stability of the completed, resultant, material.

> > > I believe you will gain a little better knowledge of the results you

> > > achieved, after reading my most recent comment on an inquiry by Sheila.

> > > Bottom line----your result was perfectly normal. Interestingly, the

meniscus

> > > may present at the top...or the bottom.....or not at all. Usually if the

> > > initial material combination

> > > has not run long enough to incorporate a majority of the lecithin (or

there

> > > is simply too much lecithin for the available ascorbic acid

fraction.....the

> > > meniscus will form on the top of the sample....within a few minutes after

> > > stopping the US agitation.

> > > If your procedure has run acceptably well and----long enough to homogenize

> > > well, any meniscus formation will, generally, present on the BOTTOM after

> > > overnight storage---

> > > with or without refrigeration.

> > > In any event, you are doing fine. If you do not want to consume the

isolated

> > > lecithin fraction you are observing, just decant the homogenized liposome

> > > solution and

> > > dispose of the isolated lecithin fraction.

> > > I hope this information helps your dilema.

> > > Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.

> > > p.s. One just needs to continue to experiment " around-the-edges " of this

> > > protocol, in order to achieve optimum results. Do not be reluctant to do

> > > such...this IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE....just common sense.

> > >

> > > ------------------------

> > >

> > > Your question has been asked by others....(private inquires addressed

> > > directly to me). In the interest of saving me time and energy, I offer the

> > > following explanation. First, soy lecithin is a " slow " incorporator, when

> > > introduced into aqueous mediums....sometimes. Especially, when there is a

> > > high

> > >

> > > lecithin granule population ratio----relative to the total water volume.

The

> > > general reaction is that a major percentage of the lecithin blends readily

> > > with the the water medium, but there will remain a definitive lecithin

> > > component which floats on the surface and exhibits a somewhat " gelatinous "

> > > appearance (this is quite natural, based upon the native characteristics

of

> > > the substances involved). Do not fret over encountering such

> > > circumstances......they will not compromise the basic effectiveness of

your

> > > protocol. However, it is of some import to understand that the speed, and

> > > completeness, of the incorporation of the granular lecithin---into the

> > > aqueous medium, is affected by a number of conditions such as the total

> > > amount of lecithin versus the total volume of water; the temperature of

the

> > > water-based solution and the strength of any other substance being

> > > incorporated into the parent solution----from very weak, to saturated

(none

> > > of which are seriously comprom! ising). Under the best of conditions, even

> > > after ultrasonic mixing for 8 to 9 minutes....there is, often, a thin

> > > meniscus (a distinct separation between two or more liquids in the same

> > > container). [Example: a thin layer of oil lying on top of water.] In the

> > > liposome generation methodology we are discussing, the visible,

gelatinous,

> > > portion of the meniscus is principally made up

> > >

> > > of unincorporated lecithin. Is IS NOT a problem....in fact the lecithin

> > > component has useful, cardiovascular, health-support effects----beyond

those

> > > being discussed here.

> > >

> > > Either (or both) of two measures may be executed to reduce the volume of

> > > unincorporated lecithin you may be encountering. First, increasing the

> > > volume of the total water fraction, or secondly, raising the temperature

of

> > > the total parent solution

> > >

> > > and extending the time of US reaction exposure. One reason for the

condition

> > > you are encountering is that the closer one gets to achieving a saturated

> > > solution of lecithin....the more resistant the process becomes to

accepting

> > > more granular lecithin into that solution-----until the point is reached

> > > where no further material will incorporate---hence, THE SATURATION POINT

IS

> > > EXPERIENCED.

> > >

> > > In my brief, original post, I did not discuss the nuances of speed, degree

> > > or completeness of dissolution of the lecithin----or for that matter---

the

> > > ascorbic acid fraction. Neither did I outline a number of other

> > > considerations; such as the effects of varying the volume of water versus

> > > the ratios of the solution components....or the total water volume versus

> > > the protocol components....primarily, because such elaborations would not

> > > serve usefulness/effectivity for the nontechnical

> > >

> > > DIY person. I simply outlined a SAFE, mid-spectrum, protocol allowing the

> > > average lay-person to achieve a measure of acceptable results for home

> > > experimental research.

> > >

> > > My personal bias is that it is better to have a small, uncombined,

lecithin

> > > fraction presenting as a meniscus.....than to strive toward what I

perceive

> > > to be a cosmetic achievement----of small consequence.....by means of

> > > diluting the total

> > >

> > > solution. In any event the excess lecithin is a positive addition.....it

is

> > > just not

> > >

> > > active in the liposome process-----until some parameter changes that

avails

> > > it the opportunity participate in the encapsulation process.

> > >

> > > My final comment on this subject: If it is of paramount importance to one,

> > >

> > > regardless of reason.... by just increasing the water volume and

> > > reactivating the US Cleaner for several minutes....the remaining lecithin

> > > will (in almost all cases) go into the emulsified solution. However, bear

in

> > > mind, you have diluted the entire solution by an equivalent

> > >

> > > strength-----with NO increase in total vitamin C component.

> > >

> > > Please understand, these comments are not meant to browbeat " anyone " ....in

> > > any way....but, rather, to aid the less technically-informed on the list.

> > >

> > > Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------

> > >

> > > Although not scientifically rigorous, I offer a simple test which will

yield

> > > the

> > > DIY researcher some element of confidence that they do, in fact, have a

> > > useful measure of liposomal

> > > encapsulate.

> > > First, pour about 4 ounces of your finished Vitamin C encapsulate into a

> > > cylindrical, 12 ounce

> > > water glass. Next, place 1/4 teaspoon of sodium bicarbonate into about 1

> > > ounce of distilled water and stir

> > > for 3 to 5 seconds. Next, pour the sodium bicarbonate solution into the

> > > Vitamin C mixture and stir gently for several seconds. Note: If the

> > > foam/bubble line which forms on top is 1/2 inch or less---in height---you

> > > have about a 50% encapsulation efficiency. If the foam/bubble line is 3/8

of

> > > one inch...or less, you have about a 60% efficiency. If the

> > > foam/bubble line is 1/8 inch or less, you have about 75% efficiency. If

the

> > > foam/bubble line is

> > > just a trace.....you should major in chemistry.

> > > The percentages given above, represent the amount of the total Vitamin C

> > > component incorporated during the encapsulation process.....that was

> > > actually encapsulated. The less encapsulation....the greater the foaming.

> > > What is, actually, occurring in this test is that the ascorbic acid

fraction

> > > is being transformed into the sodium ascorbate form of vitamin C. This

test

> > > does not negatively affect the usefulness of the solution you have

> > > tested.....as the isolated Vitamin C component is not adversely affecting

> > > the encapsulate (which is being protected by the lecithin

bubble-covering.)

> > > Actually, the sodium ascorbate form of vitamin C is greater than an

> > > order-of-magnitude more soluble for tissue incorporation......than is the

> > > ascorbic acid form.

> > > In any event this simple test should serve to raise the level of

confidence

> > > in the DIY researcher....

> > > that they do---in fact---have a useful measure of encapsulated vitamin C.

> > > Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.

> > >

> >

>

I have now tried both the Livon Lipo-C and my own homemade version. I

*think* the homemade works better for me. I *think* that is because my

homemade is made with pure L-Ascorbic Acid, very high quality, from the

Vitamin C Foundation, and the Livon product is made with sodium ascorbate.

 

From several people who posted their methods in various forums, and my own

experience, here is my method:

 

In a blender, 1 cup of distilled water + 3 level tablespoons of granular soy

lecithin, blend well (in a blender) until no granules are visible, OR shake

this in a jar or " Blender Bottle " until all is dissolved. Do not let it set.

 

Dissolve 1 tablespoon of C powder in ½ cup DW.

 

Combine both in the UC, turn it on and stir it gently with a straw, not

touching the actual interior of the UC. Run it for 3 cycles.

 

Pour it out of the UC into a half gallon pitcher for the next step.

 

Add ¾ teaspoon of baking soda to the 3 ounces of DW and stir or shake a bit.

Add this to the mix in the pitcher.

It will foam a lot. Let the head go down before decanting into the final

container.

 

Refrigerate.

 

DaddyBob

Hi,

Looking at the various liposomal products in the market today, I wonder it would

be possible to use the same method for other supplements. Presently, I am

interested in tumeric/cucumin which is another supplement that is reported to

have low bio-availability

 

 

--

Michael

Thanks DaddyBob for using the word Granular lecithin

I know that lecithin Oil will not work because I tried it (Dummy).

I will buy some of the right stuff.Thanks to Barbara also

for your help

Dave

 

 

 

 

oleander soup , <ransley wrote:

>

> I have now tried both the Livon Lipo-C and my own homemade version. I

> *think* the homemade works better for me. I *think* that is because my

> homemade is made with pure L-Ascorbic Acid, very high quality, from the

> Vitamin C Foundation, and the Livon product is made with sodium ascorbate.

>

> From several people who posted their methods in various forums, and my own

> experience, here is my method:

>

> In a blender, 1 cup of distilled water + 3 level tablespoons of granular soy

> lecithin, blend well (in a blender) until no granules are visible, OR shake

> this in a jar or " Blender Bottle " until all is dissolved. Do not let it set.

>

> Dissolve 1 tablespoon of C powder in ½ cup DW.

>

> Combine both in the UC, turn it on and stir it gently with a straw, not

> touching the actual interior of the UC. Run it for 3 cycles.

>

> Pour it out of the UC into a half gallon pitcher for the next step.

>

> Add ¾ teaspoon of baking soda to the 3 ounces of DW and stir or shake a bit.

> Add this to the mix in the pitcher.

> It will foam a lot. Let the head go down before decanting into the final

> container.

>

> Refrigerate.

>

> DaddyBob

>

I bought a sonicator—one more powerful than those at

Harbour Freight---and intend to add curcumin along with black pepper extract

(one trademark is Bioperine) which has been shown to greatly enhance its

activity. I also intend to add Milk Thistle and quercitin for a “Cancer

Cocktail” along with the vitamin C. Compounds such as curcumin that

are relatively water insoluble should have much better activity in an oil liposome.

 

Bob R.

 

 

 

 

oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf

Of mikeleekc

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 10:02 PM

oleander soup

Re: " Brooks Bradley's Homemade Liposomal C

Method "

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi,

Looking at the various liposomal products in the market today, I wonder it

would be possible to use the same method for other supplements. Presently, I am

interested in tumeric/cucumin which is another supplement that is reported to

have low bio-availability

 

--

Michael

>Looking at the various liposomal products in the market today, I wonder it

would be possible to use the same method for other supplements.<

 

This has been discussed on other fora and one should use caution. Some

things are meant to be digested. Some may be strong to the point of

poisonous if done this way. And then some just won't work. Be careful.

 

DaddyBob

>Thanks DaddyBob for using the word Granular lecithin

I know that lecithin Oil will not work because I tried it (Dummy).<

 

If you're a dummy then you're in good company because a lot of folks have

tried it and it didn't work;>) Yep, it's the oil that won't work.

 

My granular lecithin is NOW brand. Some things from NOW are superior, some

aren't, but this is working for me. I got it for a good price with free

shipping from Ebay, ClubNatural I think was the vendor. I'm told Lewis Labs

has it also and everything they do is pretty much top notch.

 

Many people object to Soy Lecithin but no one has yet found or reported

using an acceptable substitute as far as I know. There has been talk of egg

yolk lecithin and Sunflower lecithin but I haven't heard of anyone actually

using them yet.

 

Be aware that choline in soy lecithin (don't know about other lecithins) is

a neural stimulant and can make you think more clearly or it can over

stimulate you into talking gibberish and/or having a frenetic mind. I think

it did the latter to me after I drank too much of this mix too late one

evening. I awoke at 4 am with my mind racing and I had to calm myself about

it. I was able to overcome it intellectually by understanding what had

happened, but if I hadn't known this it would have been like a case of the

night terrors.

 

DaddyBob

My ultrasonic cleaner arrived the other day so thought I'd follow Daddybob's recipe to the latter. I'm very pleased to report success at first try - hope I can repeat it :-)Once made I checked for separation and found very little. Added the baking soda mix and got very little foam. As a test over the last 24 hours I've taken a tablespoon full several times and all appears to be well. Anyone got any recommendations as to a suitable dose, should it be taken with or without food and any supplements to avoid when taking? Cheers, Roger BNZOn 10/09/2009, at 8:09 AM, ransley wrote: From several people who posted their methods in various forums, and my own experience, here is my method: In a blender, 1 cup of distilled water + 3 level tablespoons of granular soy lecithin, blend well (in a blender) until no granules are visible, OR shake this in a jar or "Blender Bottle" until all is dissolved. Do not let it set. Dissolve 1 tablespoon of C powder in ½ cup DW. Combine both in the UC, turn it on and stir it gently with a straw, not touching the actual interior of the UC. Run it for 3 cycles. Pour it out of the UC into a half gallon pitcher for the next step. Add ¾ teaspoon of baking soda to the 3 ounces of DW and stir or shake a bit. Add this to the mix in the pitcher. It will foam a lot. Let the head go down before decanting into the final container. Refrigerate. DaddyBob.

>Anyone got any recommendations as to a suitable dose, should

it be taken with or without food and any supplements to avoid when

taking?<

 

About a tablespoon at a time, or just a small swig. Take on empty stomach

and wait 10 minutes before eating or 15 minimum before taking another

empty-stomach type of supplement. The intention is for it to go through the

stomach undigested. Then if you taking another supplement you simply want it

to be clear of your gut to get the best effect of the next supplement.

 

Don't take over 5 tablespoons a day, not because there' anything wrong with

the C but because you need to watch for any signs of mental over-stimulation

by the choline in the lecithin. For the same reason, don't take too much too

late at night.

 

BTW, Brooks just came out and is now suggesting to use the baking soda

before encapsulation with the lecithin in order to have sodium ascorbate,

which is 3000% more assimilible that plain L-Ascorbic Acid.

 

DaddyBob

Thanks Bob, this really answers my question. The baking soda/ascorbic acid mix sound like a very good idea so I'll be giving it a try later today when I make another brew. Talking of baking soda, I wonder if it could be encapsulated with lecithin? I was just thinking that it would could be a simple way to adjust body pH hopefully without affecting the stomach pH. Think I might give it a try unless someone recommends against it.Cheers, Roger BNZOn 14/09/2009, at 10:11 AM, ransley wrote: >Anyone got any recommendations as to a suitable dose, should it be taken with or without food and any supplements to avoid when taking?< About a tablespoon at a time, or just a small swig. Take on empty stomach and wait 10 minutes before eating or 15 minimum before taking another empty-stomach type of supplement. The intention is for it to go through the stomach undigested. Then if you taking another supplement you simply want it to be clear of your gut to get the best effect of the next supplement. Don't take over 5 tablespoons a day, not because there' anything wrong with the C but because you need to watch for any signs of mental over-stimulation by the choline in the lecithin. For the same reason, don't take too much too late at night. BTW, Brooks just came out and is now suggesting to use the baking soda before encapsulation with the lecithin in order to have sodium ascorbate, which is 3000% more assimilible that plain L-Ascorbic Acid. DaddyBob __._

>Talking of baking soda, I wonder if it could be encapsulated with

lecithin? I was just thinking that it would could be a simple way to

adjust body pH hopefully without affecting the stomach pH. Think I

might give it a try unless someone recommends against it.<

 

Now THAT might really be a good idea! You could test it after you make it by

adding any simple acid to it, such as vinegar, but I would think it would be

best to add some L-Ascorbic Acid to it so you would get the benefit of some

Vitamin C when you take it. Anyway- if it's encapsulated, there won't be any

or at least not very much fizz. You could do a control experiment by using

the same ratio of the two substances without encapsulation and making note

of the relative amount of fizzing. You would want to do this in two

identical containers so you can gauge the " head " correctly.

 

OK. Now I've talked myself into trying it.

 

DaddyBob

Hi Roger,

 

Just to let you know, I have put myself on vitamin C - baking soda to

control an abscess in my root canal before I had a chance to get to a

dentist. I was doing that to control the acidity of " C " . I ended up with

2g of C with about half of an even teaspoon of baking soda 3 times a day

in a glass of water. I had a scheduled visit with a naturopath then who

checked my blood PH. My blood was at PH 7.54.

 

I have stopped it immediately to be on the safe side, although I can't

say that I felt any ill effects of the over alkalinity. From all I have

read here, I should have been half dead then, if not all together with

the PH going that high.

 

So. If you go on baking soda and C, get the PH strips and keep checking

your urine, so that you do not severely over alkalize.

 

BTW, " C " did manage to control the abscess all right, but it did not

take it out. It has also occurred to me that sodium ascorbate, which is

pretty much what you mix up above, would be a very sensible combination

for a prepared supplement.

 

I have gone to 2g of " C " 3 x a day within three days without any ill

effects. Never got higher because of the high blood PH.

 

It appears that the blood alkalinity with soda is also quite dependent

on the diet, which is where the urine PH should be monitored, unless you

can actually monitor the blood PH.

 

With kind regards, Slavek

 

Roger Barker wrote:

>

>

>

> Thanks Bob, this really answers my question. The baking soda/ascorbic

> acid mix sound like a very good idea so I'll be giving it a try later

> today when I make another brew.

>

> Talking of baking soda, I wonder if it could be encapsulated with

> lecithin? I was just thinking that it would could be a simple way to

> adjust body pH hopefully without affecting the stomach pH. Think I

> might give it a try unless someone recommends against it.

>

> Cheers, Roger B

> NZ

>

> On 14/09/2009, at 10:11 AM, ransley wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > >Anyone got any recommendations as to a suitable dose, should

> > it be taken with or without food and any supplements to avoid when

> > taking?<

> >

> > About a tablespoon at a time, or just a small swig. Take on empty

> > stomach

> > and wait 10 minutes before eating or 15 minimum before taking

> > another

> > empty-stomach type of supplement. The intention is for it to go

> > through the

> > stomach undigested. Then if you taking another supplement you simply

> > want it

> > to be clear of your gut to get the best effect of the next

> > supplement.

> >

> > Don't take over 5 tablespoons a day, not because there' anything

> > wrong with

> > the C but because you need to watch for any signs of mental

> > over-stimulation

> > by the choline in the lecithin. For the same reason, don't take too

> > much too

> > late at night.

> >

> > BTW, Brooks just came out and is now suggesting to use the baking

> > soda

> > before encapsulation with the lecithin in order to have sodium

> > ascorbate,

> > which is 3000% more assimilible that plain L-Ascorbic Acid.

> >

> > DaddyBob

> >

> > __._

> >

>

Good luck with the test Bob. I found time to give it a quick try last evening and could detect no visible separation when I checked it this morning. When I added some ascorbic acid mixed with distilled water I got quite a lot of fizzing which suggested it hadn't encapsulated anywhere near as well as my ascorbic/lecithin trial - interesting. Have also tested some of the mix with vinegar and got virtually no fizz, well, just a whisker around the side of the glass - hmmm. We now have a visitor here for a couple of days so will have to get back to the 'test' later in the week. All the best, Roger BNZOn 15/09/2009, at 4:36 AM, ransley wrote: >Talking of baking soda, I wonder if it could be encapsulated with lecithin? I was just thinking that it would could be a simple way to adjust body pH hopefully without affecting the stomach pH. Think I might give it a try unless someone recommends against it.< Now THAT might really be a good idea! You could test it after you make it by adding any simple acid to it, such as vinegar, but I would think it would be best to add some L-Ascorbic Acid to it so you would get the benefit of some Vitamin C when you take it. Anyway- if it's encapsulated, there won't be any or at least not very much fizz. You could do a control experiment by using the same ratio of the two substances without encapsulation and making note of the relative amount of fizzing. You would want to do this in two identical containers so you can gauge the "head" correctly. OK. Now I've talked myself into trying it. DaddyBob

slavek,

 

In the future you might be interested to learn about and use a

" Godzilla " device for any tooth infectons, including root infections. It is

a simple device that sends 3 volts of DC current through the tooth that

instantly kills any bacteria present in the tooth or root. Two 3 minute

sessions is usually all you need to rid the body of the infection

permanently. To learn more, go to microelectricitygermkiller group on

. Pictures are there showing you how to make your own device, or you

can purchase one if you wish. This device has saved me several dental

visits and it's worth it's weight in gold.

 

Bob

-

" slavek krepelka " <slavek.krepelka

<oleander soup >

Monday, September 14, 2009 11:03 AM

Re: Re: " Brooks Bradley's Homemade Liposomal C

Method "

 

 

> Hi Roger,

>

> Just to let you know, I have put myself on vitamin C - baking soda to

> control an abscess in my root canal before I had a chance to get to a

> dentist. I was doing that to control the acidity of " C " . I ended up with

> 2g of C with about half of an even teaspoon of baking soda 3 times a day

> in a glass of water. I had a scheduled visit with a naturopath then who

> checked my blood PH. My blood was at PH 7.54.

>

> I have stopped it immediately to be on the safe side, although I can't

> say that I felt any ill effects of the over alkalinity. From all I have

> read here, I should have been half dead then, if not all together with

> the PH going that high.

>

> So. If you go on baking soda and C, get the PH strips and keep checking

> your urine, so that you do not severely over alkalize.

>

> BTW, " C " did manage to control the abscess all right, but it did not

> take it out. It has also occurred to me that sodium ascorbate, which is

> pretty much what you mix up above, would be a very sensible combination

> for a prepared supplement.

>

> I have gone to 2g of " C " 3 x a day within three days without any ill

> effects. Never got higher because of the high blood PH.

>

> It appears that the blood alkalinity with soda is also quite dependent

> on the diet, which is where the urine PH should be monitored, unless you

> can actually monitor the blood PH.

>

> With kind regards, Slavek

>

> Roger Barker wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>> Thanks Bob, this really answers my question. The baking soda/ascorbic

>> acid mix sound like a very good idea so I'll be giving it a try later

>> today when I make another brew.

>>

>> Talking of baking soda, I wonder if it could be encapsulated with

>> lecithin? I was just thinking that it would could be a simple way to

>> adjust body pH hopefully without affecting the stomach pH. Think I

>> might give it a try unless someone recommends against it.

>>

>> Cheers, Roger B

>> NZ

>>

>> On 14/09/2009, at 10:11 AM, ransley wrote:

>>

>> >

>> >

>> > >Anyone got any recommendations as to a suitable dose, should

>> > it be taken with or without food and any supplements to avoid when

>> > taking?<

>> >

>> > About a tablespoon at a time, or just a small swig. Take on empty

>> > stomach

>> > and wait 10 minutes before eating or 15 minimum before taking

>> > another

>> > empty-stomach type of supplement. The intention is for it to go

>> > through the

>> > stomach undigested. Then if you taking another supplement you simply

>> > want it

>> > to be clear of your gut to get the best effect of the next

>> > supplement.

>> >

>> > Don't take over 5 tablespoons a day, not because there' anything

>> > wrong with

>> > the C but because you need to watch for any signs of mental

>> > over-stimulation

>> > by the choline in the lecithin. For the same reason, don't take too

>> > much too

>> > late at night.

>> >

>> > BTW, Brooks just came out and is now suggesting to use the baking

>> > soda

>> > before encapsulation with the lecithin in order to have sodium

>> > ascorbate,

>> > which is 3000% more assimilible that plain L-Ascorbic Acid.

>> >

>> > DaddyBob

>> >

>> > __._

>> >

>>

>

>

> ---

>

>

In the past, I asked where to buy a unit.

Does anyone know where to buy one ( not on e bay).

Rich

 

 

In a message dated 9/14/2009 11:38:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bbanever writes:

slavek, In the future you might be interested to learn about and use a "Godzilla" device for any tooth infectons, including root infections. It is a simple device that sends 3 volts of DC current through the tooth that instantly kills any bacteria present in the tooth or root. Two 3 minute sessions is usually all you need to rid the body of the infection permanently. To learn more, go to microelectricitygermkiller group on . Pictures are there showing you how to make your own device, or you can purchase one if you wish. This device has saved me several dental visits and it's worth it's weight in gold.Bob- "slavek krepelka" <slavek.krepelka<oleander soup >Monday, September 14, 2009 11:03 AMRe: Re: "Brooks Bradley's Homemade Liposomal C Method"> Hi Roger,>> Just to let you know, I have put myself on vitamin C - baking soda to> control an abscess in my root canal before I had a chance to get to a> dentist. I was doing that to control the acidity of "C". I ended up with> 2g of C with about half of an even teaspoon of baking soda 3 times a day> in a glass of water. I had a scheduled visit with a naturopath then who> checked my blood PH. My blood was at PH 7.54.>> I have stopped it immediately to be on the safe side, although I can't> say that I felt any ill effects of the over alkalinity. From all I have> read here, I should have been half dead then, if not all together with> the PH going that high.>> So. If you go on baking soda and C, get the PH strips and keep checking> your urine, so that you do not severely over alkalize.>> BTW, "C" did manage to control the abscess all right, but it did not> take it out. It has also occurred to me that sodium ascorbate, which is> pretty much what you mix up above, would be a very sensible combination> for a prepared supplement.>> I have gone to 2g of "C" 3 x a day within three days without any ill> effects. Never got higher because of the high blood PH.>> It appears that the blood alkalinity with soda is also quite dependent> on the diet, which is where the urine PH should be monitored, unless you> can actually monitor the blood PH.>> With kind regards, Slavek>> Roger Barker wrote:>>>>>>>> Thanks Bob, this really answers my question. The baking soda/ascorbic>> acid mix sound like a very good idea so I'll be giving it a try later>> today when I make another brew.>>>> Talking of baking soda, I wonder if it could be encapsulated with>> lecithin? I was just thinking that it would could be a simple way to>> adjust body pH hopefully without affecting the stomach pH. Think I>> might give it a try unless someone recommends against it.>>>> Cheers, Roger B>> NZ>>>> On 14/09/2009, at 10:11 AM, ransley wrote:>>>> >>> >>> > >Anyone got any recommendations as to a suitable dose, should>> > it be taken with or without food and any supplements to avoid when>> > taking?<>> >>> > About a tablespoon at a time, or just a small swig. Take on empty>> > stomach>> > and wait 10 minutes before eating or 15 minimum before taking>> > another>> > empty-stomach type of supplement. The intention is for it to go>> > through the>> > stomach undigested. Then if you taking another supplement you simply>> > want it>> > to be clear of your gut to get the best effect of the next>> > supplement.>> >>> > Don't take over 5 tablespoons a day, not because there' anything>> > wrong with>> > the C but because you need to watch for any signs of mental>> > over-stimulation>> > by the choline in the lecithin. For the same reason, don't take too>> > much too>> > late at night.>> >>> > BTW, Brooks just came out and is now suggesting to use the baking>> > soda>> > before encapsulation with the lecithin in order to have sodium>> > ascorbate,>> > which is 3000% more assimilible that plain L-Ascorbic Acid.>> >>> > DaddyBob>> >>> > __._>> >>>>>> --->>

Okay, is there a consensus yet on a specific recipe and a detailed "how to" do this that has delineated instructions?

 

For instance:

 

Get the ultrasonic cleaner

put in x amount of soy lecithin -- granules (I think someone said one type of lecithin is better than another)

x amount of baking soda

x amount of specific kind of vitamin C

and any other ingredients into the ultra sonic device and

(I think somebody said to blend it first)

 

If somebody has a more specific and detailed recipe with or without baking soda

with measurements and best ingredients it would be wonderful to get it posted.

And can this be done without the ultrasonic device?

Por please.--- On Mon, 9/14/09, Bob Banever <bbanever wrote:

Bob Banever <bbaneverRe: Re: "Brooks Bradley's Homemade Liposomal C Method"oleander soup Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 8:38 PM

slavek,In the future you might be interested to learn about and use a "Godzilla" device for any tooth infectons, including root infections. It is a simple device that sends 3 volts of DC current through the tooth that instantly kills any bacteria present in the tooth or root. Two 3 minute sessions is usually all you need to rid the body of the infection permanently. To learn more, go to microelectricityger mkiller group on . Pictures are there showing you how to make your own device, or you can purchase one if you wish. This device has saved me several dental visits and it's worth it's weight in gold.Bob- "slavek krepelka" <slavek.krepelka@ sympatico. ca><oleander soup>Monday, September 14, 2009 11:03 AMRe: Re: "Brooks Bradley's Homemade Liposomal C Method"> Hi Roger,>> Just to let you know, I have put myself on vitamin C - baking soda to> control an abscess in my root canal before I had a chance to get to a> dentist. I was doing that to control the acidity of "C". I ended up with> 2g of C with about half of an even teaspoon of baking soda 3 times a day> in a glass of water. I had a scheduled visit with a naturopath then who> checked my blood PH. My blood was at PH 7.54.>> I have stopped it immediately to be on the safe side, although I can't> say that I felt any ill effects of the over alkalinity. From

all I have> read here, I should have been half dead then, if not all together with> the PH going that high.>> So. If you go on baking soda and C, get the PH strips and keep checking> your urine, so that you do not severely over alkalize.>> BTW, "C" did manage to control the abscess all right, but it did not> take it out. It has also occurred to me that sodium ascorbate, which is> pretty much what you mix up above, would be a very sensible combination> for a prepared supplement.>> I have gone to 2g of "C" 3 x a day within three days without any ill> effects. Never got higher because of the high blood PH.>> It appears that the blood alkalinity with soda is also quite dependent> on the diet, which is where the urine PH should be monitored, unless you> can actually monitor the blood PH.>> With kind regards,

Slavek>> Roger Barker wrote:>>>>>>>> Thanks Bob, this really answers my question. The baking soda/ascorbic>> acid mix sound like a very good idea so I'll be giving it a try later>> today when I make another brew.>>>> Talking of baking soda, I wonder if it could be encapsulated with>> lecithin? I was just thinking that it would could be a simple way to>> adjust body pH hopefully without affecting the stomach pH. Think I>> might give it a try unless someone recommends against it.>>>> Cheers, Roger B>> NZ>>>> On 14/09/2009, at 10:11 AM, ransley (AT) atmc (DOT) net wrote:>>>> >>> >>> > >Anyone got any

recommendations as to a suitable dose, should>> > it be taken with or without food and any supplements to avoid when>> > taking?<>> >>> > About a tablespoon at a time, or just a small swig. Take on empty>> > stomach>> > and wait 10 minutes before eating or 15 minimum before taking>> > another>> > empty-stomach type of supplement. The intention is for it to go>> > through the>> > stomach undigested. Then if you taking another supplement you simply>> > want it>> > to be clear of your gut to get the best effect of the next>> > supplement.>> >>> > Don't take over 5 tablespoons a day, not because there' anything>> > wrong with>> > the C but because you need to watch for any signs of mental>> > over-stimulation>>

> by the choline in the lecithin. For the same reason, don't take too>> > much too>> > late at night.>> >>> > BTW, Brooks just came out and is now suggesting to use the baking>> > soda>> > before encapsulation with the lecithin in order to have sodium>> > ascorbate,>> > which is 3000% more assimilible that plain L-Ascorbic Acid.>> >>> > DaddyBob>> >>> > __._>> >>>>>> ------------ --------- --------- ------>>

for the liposomal C method...which is the subject of your post, you can

buy an Ultrasonic cleaner at HarborFreight or at Geeks.com.

 

I wouldn't sell a godzilla to anyone not interested enough to look at

the plans and figure out it'd also be robbery.

 

Yes, I know about trimming posts but then you don't know why the

question is confusing.

Saralou

 

richmaj wrote:

 

 

 

In the past, I asked where to buy a unit.

Does anyone know where to buy one ( not on e bay).

Rich

 

 

In a message dated 9/14/2009 11:38:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight

Time, bbanever (AT) earthlink (DOT) net writes:

slavek,

 

In the future you might be interested to learn about and use a

"Godzilla" device for any tooth infectons, including root infections.

It is

a simple device that sends 3 volts of DC current through the tooth that

 

instantly kills any bacteria present in the tooth or root. Two 3

minute

sessions is usually all you need to rid the body of the infection

permanently. To learn more, go to microelectricitygermkiller

group on

. Pictures are there showing you how to make your own device, or

you

can purchase one if you wish. This device has saved me several dental

visits and it's worth it's weight in gold.

 

Bob

-

"slavek krepelka" <slavek.krepelka (AT) sympatico (DOT) ca>

<oleander soup >

Monday, September 14, 2009 11:03 AM

Re: Re: "Brooks Bradley's Homemade Liposomal C

Method"

 

 

> Hi Roger,

>

> Just to let you know, I have put myself on vitamin C - baking soda

to

> control an abscess in my root canal before I had a chance to get

to a

> dentist. I was doing that to control the acidity of "C". I ended

up with

> 2g of C with about half of an even teaspoon of baking soda 3 times

a day

> in a glass of water. I had a scheduled visit with a naturopath

then who

> checked my blood PH. My blood was at PH 7.54.

>

> I have stopped it immediately to be on the safe side, although I

can't

> say that I felt any ill effects of the over alkalinity. From all I

have

> read here, I should have been half dead then, if not all together

with

> the PH going that high.

>

> So. If you go on baking soda and C, get the PH strips and keep

checking

> your urine, so that you do not severely over alkalize.

>

> BTW, "C" did manage to control the abscess all right, but it did

not

> take it out. It has also occurred to me that sodium ascorbate,

which is

> pretty much what you mix up above, would be a very sensible

combination

> for a prepared supplement.

>

> I have gone to 2g of "C" 3 x a day within three days without any

ill

> effects. Never got higher because of the high blood PH.

>

> It appears that the blood alkalinity with soda is also quite

dependent

> on the diet, which is where the urine PH should be monitored,

unless you

> can actually monitor the blood PH.

>

> With kind regards, Slavek

>

> Roger Barker wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>> Thanks Bob, this really answers my question. The baking

soda/ascorbic

>> acid mix sound like a very good idea so I'll be giving it a

try later

>> today when I make another brew.

>>

>> Talking of baking soda, I wonder if it could be encapsulated

with

>> lecithin? I was just thinking that it would could be a simple

way to

>> adjust body pH hopefully without affecting the stomach pH.

Think I

>> might give it a try unless someone recommends against it.

>>

>> Cheers, Roger B

>> NZ

>>

>> On 14/09/2009, at 10:11 AM, ransley (AT) atmc (DOT) net wrote:

>>

>> >

>> >

>> > >Anyone got any recommendations as to a suitable dose,

should

>> > it be taken with or without food and any supplements to

avoid when

>> > taking?<

>> >

>> > About a tablespoon at a time, or just a small swig. Take

on empty

>> > stomach

>> > and wait 10 minutes before eating or 15 minimum before

taking

>> > another

>> > empty-stomach type of supplement. The intention is for it

to go

>> > through the

>> > stomach undigested. Then if you taking another supplement

you simply

>> > want it

>> > to be clear of your gut to get the best effect of the next

>> > supplement.

>> >

>> > Don't take over 5 tablespoons a day, not because there'

anything

>> > wrong with

>> > the C but because you need to watch for any signs of

mental

>> > over-stimulation

>> > by the choline in the lecithin. For the same reason,

don't take too

>> > much too

>> > late at night.

>> >

>> > BTW, Brooks just came out and is now suggesting to use

the baking

>> > soda

>> > before encapsulation with the lecithin in order to have

sodium

>> > ascorbate,

>> > which is 3000% more assimilible that plain L-Ascorbic

Acid.

>> >

>> > DaddyBob

>> >

>> > __._

>> >

>>

>

>

> ---

>

>

Hi Slavek, I too have used a baking soda and C mix and do use litmus paper to keep a body pH check (saliva and urine). Can't say I ever took the mix three times a day, generally a couple of times. I do find that too much at once could send me off to the bathroom so settled on one rounded tea spoon of ascorbic acid to one rounded half teaspoon of baking soda. At this strength all is well. Now I'm trialing Brooks Liposomal protocol and so far so good.Cheers, Roger BNZOn 15/09/2009, at 6:03 AM, slavek krepelka wrote:So. If you go on baking soda and C, get the PH strips and keep checking your urine, so that you do not severely over alkalize. BTW, "C" did manage to control the abscess all right, but it did not take it out. It has also occurred to me that sodium ascorbate, which is pretty much what you mix up above, would be a very sensible combination for a prepared supplement. I have gone to 2g of "C" 3 x a day within three days without any ill effects. Never got higher because of the high blood PH. It appears that the blood alkalinity with soda is also quite dependent on the diet, which is where the urine PH should be monitored, unless you can actually monitor the blood PH. With kind regards, Slavek Roger Barker wrote: > >

Does anyone know where to get egg yoke granules? AllI can find are Soy.

 

oleander soup , <ransley wrote:

>

> >Talking of baking soda, I wonder if it could be encapsulated with

> lecithin? I was just thinking that it would could be a simple way to

> adjust body pH hopefully without affecting the stomach pH. Think I

> might give it a try unless someone recommends against it.<

>

> Now THAT might really be a good idea! You could test it after you make it by

> adding any simple acid to it, such as vinegar, but I would think it would be

> best to add some L-Ascorbic Acid to it so you would get the benefit of some

> Vitamin C when you take it. Anyway- if it's encapsulated, there won't be any

> or at least not very much fizz. You could do a control experiment by using

> the same ratio of the two substances without encapsulation and making note

> of the relative amount of fizzing. You would want to do this in two

> identical containers so you can gauge the " head " correctly.

>

> OK. Now I've talked myself into trying it.

>

> DaddyBob

>

Hi Lisa,

 

My first post here, though I've been lurking for some time.

 

Here's what I have been doing, which seems to work.

 

Ascorbic acid recipe

 

1. Place 3 tablespoons lecithin granules in a jar with a lid, big enough

to take 1.5 cups liquid.

2. Add 1 cup good quality water (distilled is not necessary, just water

you are happy to drink, I've tried it with distilled and with filtered

tap water and don't notice a difference, though I do suggest you boil

well water in case of bacteria).

3. Mix gently (do not shake or blend or you risk forming liposomes

containing only water), I leave it to sit for half an hour or so, giving

an occasional swirl or inversion until all the granules have dissolved

more or less.

4. Place 1 tablespoon ascorbic acid crystals in a measuring cup.

5. Add half a cup of water and mix until dissolved.

6. Add this to the lecithin and mix gently.

7. Place in the ultrasonic cleaner and run for 6 minutes stirring gently

from time to time.

 

Sodium ascorbate recipe

 

As above but add 1.5 teaspoons sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) to the

ascorbic acid in step 4 - it will fizz when you add the water. You can

make the sodium ascorbate more concentrated if you want as it is more

soluble than ascorbic acid. The liposomal sodium ascorbate works very

nicely as a skin treatment I have found.

 

A note on doses: I have been taking a lot of the sodium ascorbate

version, half a cup three times a day. I have had no side effects at

all, in fact I have been feeling better than usual. I haven't felt

overstimulated or had trouble sleeping from excess acetylcholine as

might be expected and as DB described. I am used to taking this amount

of vitamin C (about 12-15 grams a day) as sodium ascorbate, and wondered

what the effects of taking it liposomally might be. I have read of

people taking up to 80 grams of lecithin a day with no problems, and

this amounts to about 30 grams (3.5 grams to a teaspoonful according to

the blurb on the lecithin container).

 

Paul H

 

 

 

 

 

Lisa Tovar wrote:

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