Guest guest Posted February 2, 2002 Report Share Posted February 2, 2002 Ramaya Rama Bhadraya Ramachandraya Vedase Raghunathaya Nathaya Seetaya Pataye Namah Asmad Gurubhyon Namah. My Koti Pranams to Vishnu Bhakthas. You can find Lord Sri Hari every where, but rearly you come across Vishnu Bhaktas, so say the great Saints . Dear Vishnu Bhaktha Srinivasa Iyengar /Sampige srinivasa What a nice question why did Lord Rama ask Sita Matha to do agnipravesham. This has haunted me also, you feel very sad to hear this in Ramayana. With my very little knowledge I would like to convince you(and myself) On the following lines: 1) First of all Agni is subservient to Matha Sita who is the Avathar of Mahalakshmi.As per Hierarchy of Gods as laid down by the great Vasihnava Saint Sri Madhwacharya, Vishnu is Sarvottama, next comes lakshmi than Chaturmukha Brahma and so on. God Agni comes much below in the Hierarchy of Gods. Hence Agni is totally incapable of even touching Sita Matha, forget of burning her, He can no where go near her. This is all a drama enacted by Lord Sri Rama and Matha Sita, just to show The world, that a king should be Sensitive to his Prajas(Subordinates). Keeping this in mind, the lord Ordered Matha Sita to do Agni Pravesham. 2) Lord Vishnu’s Lilas are Achinthya and Adbhutha. Which simply means beyond the Comprehension of common man. At times you need to think impassionately to understand these Intricacies. 3)There is one more incident in Maharabharatha, about which one feels emotional. When Karna’s Chariot is stuck in the mud, he requests Arjuna to stop the war, so that he can set right his chariot. But Lord SriKrishna orders Arjuna to kill the helpless Karna, which Arjuna does it. This also has to be thought in the right perspective to arrive at the right conclusions. I hope my clarification will help you in analyzing things. Pranams NS Gururaj Bangalore Great stuff seeking new owners in Auctions! http://auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2002 Report Share Posted February 3, 2002 Dear Sri Srinivasa Iyengar, Let me provide some inputs to your questions, according to what I have read and from what I can remember about the topics on Sita’s fire ordeal and banishment. The episode on the slaying of Vali, the brother of Sugriva Maharaj in Kishkinda kanda, Sita’s fire ordeal in Yuddha Kanda, plus banishment of Sita in Uttara Kanda are the 3 of most debated issuses/topics in Ramayana. In this aspect, we need to make clear distinctions between what was written by Valmiki Muni, Srila Vyasa and other arcaryas. Let me answer your question based on Valmiki Ramayana (original Ramayana) and Adhyatma Ramayana (said to be part of Brahmanda Purana). Valmiki Muni presented the human aspect of Lord Ramachandra while recognizing him as the Supreme Lord himself, while Srila Vyasa presented Lord Ramachandra directly as the Supreme Lord. Valmiki Ramayana (24,000 verses) is like an ocean of ethical teachings and spiritual instructions whereby the reader has to dive into the ocean to find the gems, whereas Adhyatma Ramayana (8000 verses if I am not mistaken) is like a lake with crystal clear water through which the gems are easily seen. Based on Adhyatma Ramayana, Sita knows that she will be kidnapped by Ravana and Ravana knows that he will be killed by Rama. Both Ravana and his brother Kumbakarna were Hiranyaksa and Hiranyakasipu in their previous birth. They were both Jaya and Vijaya cursed by the four Kumaras. Rama knows that Sita will be kidnapped so he told the Sita (real Sita) to enter the fire and from the fire Maya Sita (Vedavati who cursed Ravana she will be reborn for his destruction) appeared. So in Aranya Kanda the person kidnapped by Ravana was not the real Sita but maya Sita. The fact of Maya Sita not the real Sita being taken away by Ravana is mentioned in other puranas such as Kurma purana, Varaha purana and Agni-purana. Even Ravana did not even touch the maya Sita, as he took the entire block of earth which she stood. He was cursed by Nalakubera that if Ravana touches any woman without her consent his 10 heads will burst. So after killings of Kumbakarna, Indrajit and Ravana, the war ended and Lord Rama rescused maya Sita and at that time (of the fire ordeal), Agni took the maya Sita and returned the real Sita. Rama had to sent the maya Sita to Agni to be united with the real Sita. Lord Rama never doubted Sita, the fire ordeal serves 2 purposes, to get back the real Sita and to prove to the public that Sita is indeed pure. Regarding Sita’s banishment, in Uttara Kanda, Lord Ramachandra demonstrated, the ideal king should look at the interest of the country that his own personal interest. Remember that Lord Rama, belong to line of Ishvaku, Harichandra, Aja and etc where the kings even willing to sacrifice their own life to uphold dharma. Even Lord Rama oonce said to Sita in Aranya kandam that he was willing to give up Laksamana, Sita and his own life to uphold dharma. It was the conflict between the duty of the king and duty as the husband. Well, what would you do if you were caught in that position? It was not an easy decision to make. Even in modern days, in management of organization a classical management writer by the name of Henri Fayol in one of his 14 principles of management said the individual interest must be subordinate to organizational interest. So Lord Ramachandra as an ideal king and leader need to set good example. Even in Gita Chapter 3, Lord Krisna says whatever actions of a great man will be followed by people in general. Many many years ago I recall watching an old tamil movie called Lava and Kusa. I am sure in India, since you are in Bangalore the movie should available. I hope it helps. Other arcaryas / bhagavathas especially Mr Hari Krishnan who writes about Ramayana in www.chennaionline.com can give more inputs/points on the above topic. Regards Bala Penang, Malaysia http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/District/9622/resbala.html --- sampige srinivasa <sampiges wrote: > Poojya Bhagavatare, > I have and I think many have this suspicion in the > events at the end of > Ramayana. Why did Rama the Purshottama, doubted on > Sita(Avatar of > MahaLakshmi) and asked her to do Agnipravesham and > in the Uttarakaandam why > he sent Sita to the forest hearing the words of a > common man. Many and even > I think that this is not ethical. > > This is a sensitive issue for Women. Many women > critisice Lord Rama for this > act. Please can someone Known give some > clarification on this, so that I can > defend Lord Rama's act. > > Om Namo Narayanaaya > Om Sri Melukote CheluvanarayanaSwamy Namaha > > Sharanam > Srinivasa Iyengar > Bangalore > > > > > > _______________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > ----------------------------- > - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - > To Post a message, send it to: > bhakti-list > Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/ > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Great stuff seeking new owners in Auctions! http://auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2002 Report Share Posted February 7, 2002 My Humble Pranamams to Bhagavathas. I thank you all for your explanation on this doubt. So I am in the right group whom I can contact to clear my doubts regarding Dharma, Adhyatma etc.... Namaskara Srinivasa Iyengar Bangalore >gururaj rao <gurugem >bhakti-list >Mata Sita in Ramayanam >Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:49:04 -0800 (PST) > > >Ramaya Rama Bhadraya Ramachandraya Vedase >Raghunathaya Nathaya Seetaya Pataye Namah >Asmad Gurubhyon Namah. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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