Guest guest Posted November 14, 2000 Report Share Posted November 14, 2000 In a message dated 11/13/2000 10:24:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, fschmidt writes: Jaya Jagganatha Namaste Frank, I'm going to refer you to the Introduction (Chapter 1) of COVA as a general read on this topic of Vimshottari and Astottari dasa. I am also going to refer you to Lesson #8 and it is really worth spending time on that lesson and answering the questions on your own chart. That lesson contains some excellent fundamental knowledge on Vimshottari dasa and its many variations. I assure you that you will find the knowledge to be very valuable and it has immediate application in predictive astrology. Gurudev tells us that Vimshottari dasa (120 years) and Astottari dasa (108 years), as nakshatra based dasas, have universal application. He goes on to say that other nakshatra based dasas suffer a number of limitations and lack universal application. Many are for specific application are require special conditions to be applied. Vimshottari is a Phalita based dasa and Astottari is " the best nakshatra based Ayur dasa. " He goes on to tell us that " the ududasas are very helpful in pinpointing the event while it occurrence will require confirmation from a Rasi dasa. " Now Vimshottari dasa can be initiated from Jamna, Lagna, Kshema, Utpanna or Adhana stars, and the correct choice of the starting nakshatra will yield better results in making predictions. I regard this to be very important in the application of Vimshottari dasa and I guarntee you will be satisfied with experimentation. Now there are many Rasi based dasas (Narayana dasa, Chara dasa, Drig dasa, Shoola dasa, Sudasa, etc) and I recommend you become adept in using Narayana dasa for predictive purposes, at least initially. It can be applied to the rasi as well as each of the Varga charts, depending on the nature of the inquiry. You have already done wonderful work in applying this to your own chart. Later on, or concurrently, you can use some of the other Rasi dasas for special applications. Now, how are we to work on 2 to 3 dasas on the same chart. How do we deal with confusion or contradiction from the use of different dasas. This is a very important question! Well, first of all we have to make sure we apply all the fundamental rules, for if we are not clear on the rules then we might well convince ourselves that contradictions exist whereas in fact our evaluation may not be complete. I recommend that you read Laghu Parasari Sidhant. We must understand the dharmic relationship between planets to evaluate dasaphala, yoga phala, karaka phala, etc. Evaluating the relationship/sambhanda between the dasa lord and antara dasa lord is an art in itself but also very scientific, and must also be applied to the relevant varga charts. My approach is to evaluate the results of a dasa and forget about any other dasa that I have previously applied to that chart. I " compartmentalize " , a word that has become popular here in Washington, DC. Then when I come to my conclusion(s) I compare results of each dasa system. Generally, they support each other. In your chart Astottari dasa gave very good results in a previous exercise we went through in September. It was very accurate in describing some events in your life, as I recall. I use Astottari as a general dasa, when it qualifies for a chart. I have answered other questions below! Regards, Brendan > Namaste Rajesh, > re: Ashtottari Dasa v. other Dasa systems > Did you get an answer to my inauary that I did not see? > I still am puzzled over this , that is: > Subject > Choosing the right ( or complementary dasa ) i.e. Vimshottri ( 120 yr) or > Ashtottari ( 108 yr) > Rule For Ashtottari: > a. If birth is daytime in Krishna Paksha or night in Sukla Paksha > b. if Rahu is in a quadrant or trine from Paka Lagna (sign occupied by > Lagna Lord) > c. if a +b = True, then use Ashtottari - in my chart this is true. THIS IS CORRECT. > Now the inquiry > 1. Using Ashtottari dasa, does Vimsottari have any merit or use once > confirming that > Ashtottari Dasa is the one to be used? If yes, how so? YES, BOTH HAVE MERIT. I AM NOW IN THE HABIT OF USING ASTOTTARI DASA WHEN IT APPLIES. I LIKE THE RESULTS. > 2. Other than longevity, does Ashottari indicate anything about the > individual in question ? does Vimsottari? EVALUATION OF THE NATAL CHART AND VARGA CHARTS TELL US THAT WHICH IS PROMISED IN THE LIFE OF THE INDIVIDUAL IN QUESTION = STATIC ANALYSIS. USE OF DASA TELLS US WHEN THAT WHICH IS PROMISED FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL IS GOING TO MANIFEST = DASAPHAL AND DYNAMIC ANALYSIS. PARASARA TEACHES THAT VIMSHOTTARI IS THE BEST UDUDASA IN KALIYUGA AND HAS ADVISED ITS USE FOR ALL PURPOSES. I USE ASTOTTARI DASA WHEN IT APPLIES AND I BELIEVE THIS TO BE THE CORRECT APPROACH. GURUDEV TELLS US THAT ASTOTTARI WILL APPLY IN 25% OF CHARTS AND VIMSHOTTARI IN 75% CASES. > 3. Does Narayan Dasa system apply to both i.e. if one dasa system is used > due to applying the correct rules given by Sage Parashara, do other dasa systems > become irrelevant or less useful? If so which ones, or what are the rules to be > followed? ( 108 yr) NARAYANA IS A GENERAL PHALITA RASI DASA AND SHOULD BE USED ON ALL CHARTS FOR GENERAL PREDICTIVE WORK. THERE ARE SPECIFIC RASI DASAS FOR OTHER TOPICS... DISEASE, LONGEVITY, SPIRITUALITY, ETC. ALL DASAS ARE RELEVANT BUT MUST BE USED WITH INTELLIGENCE, KEEPING IN MIND ALWAYS THE GOAL OF YOUR WORK. IN SUMMARY, I WILL SAY THE FOLLOWING: USE VIMSHOTTARI OR ASTOTTARI AS GENERAL NAKSHATRA BASED DASAS. USE NARAYANA DASA AS A GENERAL RASI DASA. PRACTICE WITH THESE DASAS WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH EXCELLENT PREDICTIVE TOOLS IN JYOTISHA. > > rajesh_lakhani [rajesh_lakhani] > Monday, November 13, 2000 5:01 AM > varahamihira > [sri Guru] Re: Ashtottari Dasa v. other Dasa systems > > > Dear Sanjayji > > I have one more question in COVA u have mentioned that AST dasa > should be used only for Ayur matters and for Phalita only vimshottari > Dasa should be used. > > Can v interpret this as " Even with the exceptions of rahu and birth > time Ast dasa should always only be used for ayur matters and not for > phalita matters. > > thanks > Rajesh > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2000 Report Share Posted November 14, 2000 Namaste Rajesh, re: Ashtottari Dasa v. other Dasa systems Did you get an answer to my inauary that I did not see? I still am puzzled over this , that is: SubjectChoosing the right ( or complementary dasa ) i.e. Vimshottri ( 120 yr) or Ashtottari ( 108 yr)Rule For Ashtottari: a. If birth is daytime in Krishna Paksha or night in Sukla Paksha b. if Rahu is in a quadrant or trine from Paka Lagna (sign occupied by Lagna Lord) c. if a +b = True, then use Ashtottari - in my chart this is true. Now the inquiry1. Using Ashtottari dasa, does Vimsottari have any merit or use once confirming that Ashtottari Dasa is the one to be used? If yes, how so? 2. Other than longevity, does Ashottari indicate anything about the individual in question ? does Vimsottari?3. Does Narayan Dasa system apply to both i.e. if one dasa system is used due to applying the correct rules given by Sage Parashara, do other dasa systems become irrelevant or less useful? If so which ones, or what are the rules to be followed? ( 108 yr) rajesh_lakhani [rajesh_lakhani]Monday, November 13, 2000 5:01 AMvarahamihira Subject: [sri Guru] Re: Ashtottari Dasa v. other Dasa systemsDear SanjayjiI have one more question in COVA u have mentioned that AST dasa should be used only for Ayur matters and for Phalita only vimshottari Dasa should be used. Can v interpret this as " Even with the exceptions of rahu and birth time Ast dasa should always only be used for ayur matters and not for phalita matters.thanksRajeshvarahamihira , "austin" <fschmidt@a...> wrote:> Om Sri Rama Jai Jai Rama> > Namaste all,> > Can someone give light to my inquiry below....> > > 2. Ashtottari Dasa v. other Dasa systems> Subject> Choosing the right ( or complementary dasa ) i.e. Vimshottri ( 120 yr) or> Ashtottari ( 108 yr)> Rule For Ashtottari:> a. If birth is daytime in Krishna Paksha or night in Sukla Paksha> b. if Rahu is in a quadrant or trine from Paka Lagna (sign occupied by> Lagna Lord)> c. if a +b = True, then use Ashtottari - in my chart this is true.> > Now the inquiry> 1. Using Ashtottari dasa, does Vimsottari have any merit or use once> confirming that> Ashtottari Dasa is the one to be used? If yes, how so?> 2. Other than longevity, does Ashottari indicate anything about the> individual in question ? does Vimsottari?> 3. Does Narayan Dasa system apply to both i.e. if one dasa system is used> due to applying the> correct rules given by Sage Parashara, do other dasa systems become> irrelevant or less useful?> If so which ones, or what are the rules to be followed?> ( 108 yr)> > Pranams,OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraInfo: varahamihira/info.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2000 Report Share Posted November 14, 2000 ~~~~~~~OM GURAVE NAMAH~~~~~~~ Dear Rajesh, Everything is not black and white. Although I have tried to make it as scientific as possible. Astottari is definitely better than Vimsottari in Ayur calculations, but that does not mean that Vimsottari will fail in Ayur calculations. Ududasa are dasa's of the mind level and can tell a skilled astrologer many tales of what is to be expected and what is likely to happen. Rasi dasa like Narayana Dasa are necessary to confirm the same. So, take one dasa and try to master it. Then take another and master it. You must learn each dasa and try to master as many as you can. This will increase your depth of the subject, understanding and grasp. Why is astottari better for Ayus? [108 years is the age for most Ayur dasa while 120 years is the age for most Phalita Dasa. Narayana dasa although having a maximum of 144 years is on a base of 120 years. This base is used in compression.] Blessings Sanjay RAth - <rajesh_lakhani <varahamihira > Monday, November 13, 2000 6:31 PM [sri Guru] Re: Ashtottari Dasa v. other Dasa systems > Dear Sanjayji > > I have one more question in COVA u have mentioned that AST dasa > should be used only for Ayur matters and for Phalita only vimshottari > Dasa should be used. > > Can v interpret this as " Even with the exceptions of rahu and birth > time Ast dasa should always only be used for ayur matters and not for > phalita matters. > > thanks > Rajesh > > > varahamihira , " austin " <fschmidt@a...> wrote: > > Om Sri Rama Jai Jai Rama > > > > Namaste all, > > > > Can someone give light to my inquiry below.... > > > > > > 2. Ashtottari Dasa v. other Dasa systems > > Subject > > Choosing the right ( or complementary dasa ) i.e. Vimshottri ( 120 > yr) or > > Ashtottari ( 108 yr) > > Rule For Ashtottari: > > a. If birth is daytime in Krishna Paksha or night in Sukla > Paksha > > b. if Rahu is in a quadrant or trine from Paka Lagna (sign > occupied by > > Lagna Lord) > > c. if a +b = True, then use Ashtottari - in my chart this is > true. > > > > Now the inquiry > > 1. Using Ashtottari dasa, does Vimsottari have any merit or use once > > confirming that > > Ashtottari Dasa is the one to be used? If yes, how so? > > 2. Other than longevity, does Ashottari indicate anything about the > > individual in question ? does Vimsottari? > > 3. Does Narayan Dasa system apply to both i.e. if one dasa system > is used > > due to applying the > > correct rules given by Sage Parashara, do other dasa systems > become > > irrelevant or less useful? > > If so which ones, or what are the rules to be followed? > > ( 108 yr) > > > > Pranams, > > > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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