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u see how he is? attacking others now lol! the "me better than u" factor seems to always confuse the person that he is better when it clearly says in Gita all paths are His....

u see how he is? attacking others now lol! the "me better than u" factor seems to always confuse the person that he is better when it clearly says in Gita all paths are His....

History of Hinduism ~ a Hindutva webpage..... http://www.dalitstan.org/journal/hindutwa/htv000/bra_reld.html i think we've been lied to by both vaishnavites and shaivites, and i want some honest opinions this time without us getting in over our heads with tradition! it appeares that our history of india was much different, i've read these things alot before but just thought they were hoaxes and ignored them, the shaivas definately stress that there religion is pre-aryan or pre-vedic, the indus valley peoples, the dravidians did have the aryan gods or vedas in there country until the aryans came over from the north, the dravidians before this worshiped only a pan-like shiva, and a earth mother-like kali devi....... The Aryans who followed Vedas also pre-date the modern Hindu revival, most of the texts after Vedas were from 700bc-1st century ad and on, but Vedas are much older, over 5000 years old, and Upanishads nearly as old. The Aryans or Vaidikas also followed a totally different tradition that has nothing to do with modern hinduism in any of its forms. There was no krishna, no rama, no shiva or shakti in their pantheon, krishna and rama formed later from bhakti movements. They were Polytheistic, they had no karmic or reincarnation beliefs, they believed in a Vedic Heaven, they sacrificed cows even and ate meat!....There is even a Vedic Revival going on now, maybe a couple of them, Arya Samaj is one in India, but their was also no concept of Monism or Brahman in the Vedas, or among the ancient Aryans (who came over from Indo-Europa, the Indo Europeans were made up of Persians, Slavs, Celts, Norsemen, Baltic and many others, the Aryans are one of the first and largest ethnic peoples of the world, this was all very interesting... For a real Vedic Revival religion, for us going back our roots, we need to take every piece of history and actually understand it. Both Dravidian and Aryan religion is long gone now, Buddhism and Jainism splintered this, then along came the Bhakti and philosophical movements further splintering Vedas, they were Anti-Vedic so to speak...... Vedic Revival Movement i would like to belong to someday when they get moving http://www.perfumedscorpion.org

History of Hinduism ~ a Hindutva webpage..... http://www.dalitstan.org/journal/hindutwa/htv000/bra_reld.html i think we've been lied to by both vaishnavites and shaivites, and i want some honest opinions this time without us getting in over our heads with tradition! it appeares that our history of india was much different, i've read these things alot before but just thought they were hoaxes and ignored them, the shaivas definately stress that there religion is pre-aryan or pre-vedic, the indus valley peoples, the dravidians did have the aryan gods or vedas in there country until the aryans came over from the north, the dravidians before this worshiped only a pan-like shiva, and a earth mother-like kali devi....... The Aryans who followed Vedas also pre-date the modern Hindu revival, most of the texts after Vedas were from 700bc-1st century ad and on, but Vedas are much older, over 5000 years old, and Upanishads nearly as old. The Aryans or Vaidikas also followed a totally different tradition that has nothing to do with modern hinduism in any of its forms. There was no krishna, no rama, no shiva or shakti in their pantheon, krishna and rama formed later from bhakti movements. They were Polytheistic, they had no karmic or reincarnation beliefs, they believed in a Vedic Heaven, they sacrificed cows even and ate meat!....There is even a Vedic Revival going on now, maybe a couple of them, Arya Samaj is one in India, but their was also no concept of Monism or Brahman in the Vedas, or among the ancient Aryans (who came over from Indo-Europa, the Indo Europeans were made up of Persians, Slavs, Celts, Norsemen, Baltic and many others, the Aryans are one of the first and largest ethnic peoples of the world, this was all very interesting... For a real Vedic Revival religion, for us going back our roots, we need to take every piece of history and actually understand it. Both Dravidian and Aryan religion is long gone now, Buddhism and Jainism splintered this, then along came the Bhakti and philosophical movements further splintering Vedas, they were Anti-Vedic so to speak...... Vedic Revival Movement i would like to belong to someday when they get moving http://www.perfumedscorpion.org

"Else, they can keep their views to themselves instead of trying to preach them to us." mhmm, once again this only proves your close-mindedness to everyone else, u see its u and ur silly followers who cause all this trouble and no one wants to listen to ignorant minds, i dont preach to anyone or was ever preaching, just explaining, those days of preaching are over because of rediculous evangelists such as yourself, with all your rambling who the hell can explain anything? anyways, this was just a waist of my precious time, u obviously have not studied Vedas, Vedic culture was NOT vaishnava culture thousands of years ago, all these forms of Hinduism now are just splinters coming out of original Vedism, both vaishnavism and shaivism, which of both i cant stand anymore, u've only proven me how stupid it is for any of these traditions to go on...........

"Else, they can keep their views to themselves instead of trying to preach them to us." mhmm, once again this only proves your close-mindedness to everyone else, u see its u and ur silly followers who cause all this trouble and no one wants to listen to ignorant minds, i dont preach to anyone or was ever preaching, just explaining, those days of preaching are over because of rediculous evangelists such as yourself, with all your rambling who the hell can explain anything? anyways, this was just a waist of my precious time, u obviously have not studied Vedas, Vedic culture was NOT vaishnava culture thousands of years ago, all these forms of Hinduism now are just splinters coming out of original Vedism, both vaishnavism and shaivism, which of both i cant stand anymore, u've only proven me how stupid it is for any of these traditions to go on...........

ok yasoda i'll have to explain the shuddhadvaita concept of formless since your not too familiar. it does not imply that God is just an abstract concept, force, whatever u want to call it, but an eternal consciousness beyond all our understanding, i think its the same in alot of other religions as well, such as Judaism and Islam, Hashem (yahweh) and Allah are devoid of form, worshiping forms is considered idolatry in their view lol, yes i know its rediculous as we see our statues as symbolic figures of the actual deity, NOT the deity itself, and i dont know how many times i've been verbally attacked by that response : P But what i am saying is if the Supreme Brahman is Beyond our understanding, that pure conscious God cannot be reached without, yes a form! so ParaShiva (the formless) transforms into RudraShiva, MaheshvaraShiva, and other manifestations even Goddess Durga Herself! (all the divine forms of the formless), and symbolically on earth as the Linga (a special stone representing Shiva held most sacred by the Shaivites). Rudraksha beads (tears of Rudra) and Holy Ash (transcendance from the material) are among other symbolic importance we wear...... So to us God is not an abstract principle like the Advaitists make it out to be, We can realize He is beyond our limited knowledge and know He manifested to bring the knowledge of Unity for all peoples.......When the Lord manifests, It is not physical body, but eternally brilliant (similar to Vishnu-tattva), and that is how we can know God, by the eternal self-devotion of our souls, by learning to worship Shiva's forms, and ultimately, the Formless Supreme, that devotion shall be unlimited bliss! Just think of worshiping the One beyond all things! an amazing experience...... It is also said those who revere Vishnu will get their permanent homes in Vaikuntha, because Vishnu and all his forms are most dear to Shiva. what a benevolent Lord indeed! Love and Shiva, there exist two things say the fools, Love is Shiva which no one understands, But when realized Love is Shiva, We shall sit in Love as Shiva. ~thirumular~

ok yasoda i'll have to explain the shuddhadvaita concept of formless since your not too familiar. it does not imply that God is just an abstract concept, force, whatever u want to call it, but an eternal consciousness beyond all our understanding, i think its the same in alot of other religions as well, such as Judaism and Islam, Hashem (yahweh) and Allah are devoid of form, worshiping forms is considered idolatry in their view lol, yes i know its rediculous as we see our statues as symbolic figures of the actual deity, NOT the deity itself, and i dont know how many times i've been verbally attacked by that response : P But what i am saying is if the Supreme Brahman is Beyond our understanding, that pure conscious God cannot be reached without, yes a form! so ParaShiva (the formless) transforms into RudraShiva, MaheshvaraShiva, and other manifestations even Goddess Durga Herself! (all the divine forms of the formless), and symbolically on earth as the Linga (a special stone representing Shiva held most sacred by the Shaivites). Rudraksha beads (tears of Rudra) and Holy Ash (transcendance from the material) are among other symbolic importance we wear...... So to us God is not an abstract principle like the Advaitists make it out to be, We can realize He is beyond our limited knowledge and know He manifested to bring the knowledge of Unity for all peoples.......When the Lord manifests, It is not physical body, but eternally brilliant (similar to Vishnu-tattva), and that is how we can know God, by the eternal self-devotion of our souls, by learning to worship Shiva's forms, and ultimately, the Formless Supreme, that devotion shall be unlimited bliss! Just think of worshiping the One beyond all things! an amazing experience...... It is also said those who revere Vishnu will get their permanent homes in Vaikuntha, because Vishnu and all his forms are most dear to Shiva. what a benevolent Lord indeed! Love and Shiva, there exist two things say the fools, Love is Shiva which no one understands, But when realized Love is Shiva, We shall sit in Love as Shiva. ~thirumular~

ok maybe both rudra and vishnu are the same Brahman, according to Narada he was confused with the same question when confronting both the deities, both were praying to the other. In the epics both Shiva and Vishnu are considered supreme respectively, at the end of Mahabharata after krishna leaves the earth i remember the words "whoever prays to any name of God, by that name will He come." but there really is no tradition extolling that though, advaitists see the ultimate Brahman as impersonal energy correct? i just couldnt except nondualism no matter how "universal" it sounds......is there tradition that extolls both forms equally? i would like to know......

ok maybe both rudra and vishnu are the same Brahman, according to Narada he was confused with the same question when confronting both the deities, both were praying to the other. In the epics both Shiva and Vishnu are considered supreme respectively, at the end of Mahabharata after krishna leaves the earth i remember the words "whoever prays to any name of God, by that name will He come." but there really is no tradition extolling that though, advaitists see the ultimate Brahman as impersonal energy correct? i just couldnt except nondualism no matter how "universal" it sounds......is there tradition that extolls both forms equally? i would like to know......

i dont worship forms as supreme, vishnu is a form, the para brahman is formless.....its the same Brahman extolled by Vedas and Upanishads that the Advaitists revere only theyre more impersonalist, but i view the Transcendant lord and lady as One Whole Pure Consciousness, the lord and lady are its direct manifestations......the Brahman is Encompassing all, it is Pure Omnipresent Consciousness......that is a big difference in philosophy compared to limited form in the heavens is it not? Formless Brahman is the philosophy in Upanishads and Vedas is it not? most hindus revere this philosophical position over the others, whether they are shaivite or not! so is majority wrong?

i dont worship forms as supreme, vishnu is a form, the para brahman is formless.....its the same Brahman extolled by Vedas and Upanishads that the Advaitists revere only theyre more impersonalist, but i view the Transcendant lord and lady as One Whole Pure Consciousness, the lord and lady are its direct manifestations......the Brahman is Encompassing all, it is Pure Omnipresent Consciousness......that is a big difference in philosophy compared to limited form in the heavens is it not? Formless Brahman is the philosophy in Upanishads and Vedas is it not? most hindus revere this philosophical position over the others, whether they are shaivite or not! so is majority wrong?

u are not much of a devotee of anything if u keep flaming someone u dont even know, i was trying to make amends but no, u have to keep on at it, i dont think krsna is very glad to have u as devotee, u make no sense whatsoever now u are saying i am un-knowledgeable (though i have been practicing all my life with various traditions and study all the time), not following dharma (i cant even attempt to be a bad example at life i'm anti-social for the most part and dont wish to take part in mundane things, spirituality is really the only thing i consider important, i follow alot more than only 4 prescribed principles! why is tolerance and humility not a prescribed principle?!) shiva purana does not extol shiva (lmao, the whole purana extolls the supremacy of shiva, clearly u have not read a single passage, vishnu is the divine child according to this purana), who are u then? what kind of authority do u have over any of this? u are not vishnu devotee or act anything like it, look how everyone else is here very tolerant and forgiving and can argue decently, and true to their lord, but u are different, there is something missing with u, its called purity, all gaudiyas must have purity before even becoming devotee or they are not worthy, and your lord wants u to be worthy so as not to fall back into material existence, and if u still think i was flaming u, u have much to learn about spiritul debate............. i have not even described much of my beliefs at all, and u judge me regardless, i grew up as a gaudiya so dont give me these lies gaudiyas dont act like this, i can become gaudiya again right now and u'd still say something back lol it seems to me u have a hate for other religions that dont agree with u, even if they respect u, u have no respect for them, i always tell vaishnavas i pray to lord vishnu, i have no problem with that, u have problem with people praying to lord shiva dont u, but why? just because we see him as supreme? do u think this is something new? these two gods have been worshiped since time immemorable! the growing eradication of shaivism is due to the overwhelming propaganda of vaishnavism all over the world, its become quite evangelistic nowadays, which is why most of the world has never known about the other more tolerant cultures in india sadly......

u are not much of a devotee of anything if u keep flaming someone u dont even know, i was trying to make amends but no, u have to keep on at it, i dont think krsna is very glad to have u as devotee, u make no sense whatsoever now u are saying i am un-knowledgeable (though i have been practicing all my life with various traditions and study all the time), not following dharma (i cant even attempt to be a bad example at life i'm anti-social for the most part and dont wish to take part in mundane things, spirituality is really the only thing i consider important, i follow alot more than only 4 prescribed principles! why is tolerance and humility not a prescribed principle?!) shiva purana does not extol shiva (lmao, the whole purana extolls the supremacy of shiva, clearly u have not read a single passage, vishnu is the divine child according to this purana), who are u then? what kind of authority do u have over any of this? u are not vishnu devotee or act anything like it, look how everyone else is here very tolerant and forgiving and can argue decently, and true to their lord, but u are different, there is something missing with u, its called purity, all gaudiyas must have purity before even becoming devotee or they are not worthy, and your lord wants u to be worthy so as not to fall back into material existence, and if u still think i was flaming u, u have much to learn about spiritul debate............. i have not even described much of my beliefs at all, and u judge me regardless, i grew up as a gaudiya so dont give me these lies gaudiyas dont act like this, i can become gaudiya again right now and u'd still say something back lol it seems to me u have a hate for other religions that dont agree with u, even if they respect u, u have no respect for them, i always tell vaishnavas i pray to lord vishnu, i have no problem with that, u have problem with people praying to lord shiva dont u, but why? just because we see him as supreme? do u think this is something new? these two gods have been worshiped since time immemorable! the growing eradication of shaivism is due to the overwhelming propaganda of vaishnavism all over the world, its become quite evangelistic nowadays, which is why most of the world has never known about the other more tolerant cultures in india sadly......

worshiping maybe 3-5 times a day, saying prayers, chanting, playing devotional music, actually having FUN with devotion will teach true love of God, not vigorous days of nonstop chanting, man that was hard on my faith, why would any deity choose to depress their followers thats just wrong..... Shiva is pleased no matter how u come to him or how much u devote as long as the love is pure, and will bless u unimaginably, and in the end u shall reach the eternal loving abode within Shiva's light : ) at first i thought this site was for all hindus, guess not though : (