vanamali

Please email me at vanamaalii@ and we can discuss in private /images/graemlins/wink.gif jaya sri krishna! /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Do you have more info on the details of this vratam? If so, please email me at vanamaalii@

whatever color He is, He is beautiful! /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

It is Krishna's decision where and when to bestow His grace. I was just thinking that if there is a vrat to do to see Krishna, if you do that vrat, then it is like a gesture on your part to show Krishna your desire. It would be a joy just to do that vrat and show Krishna that you want to see Him. /images/graemlins/smile.gif I don't think we can "force" Krishna to come, but if there is indeed a vrat like the one I mentioned for seeing Radha Krishna, then why not try? Who knows, you may actually get the darsan you are wanting... I agree with everyone here though... just keep thinking, seeing, remembering, breathing, singing Krishna, and He will make Himself seen when He desires to be seen. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

I was wondering if there are any special mantras or vrats for calling Krishna to appear before the devotee and give that person darshan? I remember one for getting darshan of Radha-Krishna: "He who keeps a vigil for eight nights, remaining awake and at every moment meditating on the divine couple's transcendental pastimes, at the proper time will attain the object of his worship." And I have also heard of vrats involving mouna, fasting, weeping, and more to get the darshan of Sri Radha in a specified amount of time. I wonder if there is something like that for Krishna.

I am just an ordinary girl, but Krishna is so sweet we just like talking about Him. /images/graemlins/smile.gif After seeing the mercy Krishna had on Putana, I decided that even though I am not worthy, I should approach Him at any cost. /images/graemlins/smile.gif That is what we all should do, because Krishna is so kind! ----------------------- putana loka-bala-ghni raksasi rudhirasana jighamsayapi haraye stanam dattvapa sad-gatim kim punah sraddhaya bhaktya krsnaya paramatmane yacchan priyatamam kim nu raktas tan-mataro yatha Putana was always hankering for the blood of human children, and with that desire she came to kill Krsna; but because she offered her breast to the Lord, she attained the greatest achievement. What then is to be said of those who had natural devotion and affection for Krsna as mothers and who offered Him their breasts to suck or offered something very dear, as a mother offers something to a child? -------------- padbhyam bhakta-hrdi-sthabhyam vandyabhyam loka-vanditaih angam yasyah samakramya bhagavan api tat-stanam yatudhany api sa svargam avapa janani-gatim krsna-bhukta-stana-ksirah kim u gavo 'numatarah The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krsna, is always situated within the core of the heart of the pure devotee, and He is always offered prayers by such worshipable personalities as Lord Brahma and Lord Siva. Because Krsna embraced Putana's body with great pleasure and sucked her breast, although she was a great witch, she attained the position of a mother in the transcendental world and thus achieved the highest perfection. What then is to be said of the cows whose nipples Krsna sucked with great pleasure and who offered their milk very jubilantly with affection exactly like that of a mother? ya etat putana-moksam krsnasyarbhakam adbhutam srnuyac chraddhaya martyo govinde labhate ratim Any person who hears with faith and devotion about how Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, killed Putana, and who thus invests his hearing in such childhood pastimes of Krsna, certainly attains attachment for Govinda, the supreme, original person. ---------- JAYA SRI KRISHNA JAYA SRI KRISHNA JAYA SRI KRISHNA !!!!!

if we have some misconceptions it is because our goal is not so pure.. ---------- The gopis in bhagavatam were unaware of Krishna's godhood at least at the beginning. Does that mean their goals were not pure? Of course we are not great devotees like the gopis of brindavan, but at least realize that krishna takes those who love him, and does not necessarily care about having all the correct theological points memorized. But if there is more to be learned, then we should of course try to learn.

the orig. question has been answered, I hope. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

>>>"In Gaudiya Theology, Radha is given the importance that Lakshmi is given in Sri Sampradaya" >>>no it is different.. radha is not a companion of krsna.. radha IS krsna are you saying that in gaudiya theology, radha is isvara tattva? I am not so sure. Even if so, one school of sri vaisnavism would be in agreement about sridevi's position (at least partially) anyway... jaya sri krishna

>>> see the suggestion uhave made Vanamalai that "That She is a highly elevated jiva due to lack of evidence to the contrary" >>> i have come acroos before. This contradicts the teology of gaudiyaa where she is shakti and not jiva. they actualy say that radha is the source of Mahalakshmi. In Gaudiya Theology, Radha is given the importance that Lakshmi is given in Sri Sampradaya. In addition, Lakshmi's love for Sri Hari is also downplayed, saying that it is much less than Radha's love for Him. In Sri Sampradaya, it is Sridevi who joins the jivas with Bhagavan, and She is the one who has the utmost love for Him, and also is the Supreme Goddess ------------ I must also mention that being a jiva in Sri Vaishnavism, does not preclude one from being "shakti" ie. a Devi and Consort of Sri Hari. Lakshmi is a jiva according to one school of Sri Vaishnavism, and is ishvara tattva according to another.(please forgive me if I have not stated this properly) But both agree that Sridevi is the highest goddess. Anyway, the important thing is that both sampradayas worship sri hari. Don't focus too much on differences. /images/graemlins/wink.gif ---- Raghavan, for Gaudiyas, Krishna is the source of incarnations, rather than Sriman Narayana, and Radha is the supreme Devi rather than Lakshmi. So I don't think it's useful to say that Radha is "fictional." Perhaps a better word would be "symbolic" as she is both real (as a Person) and representative of the ultimate devotional state just as Sridevi is the ultimate Devotee in Sri Sampradaya.

No problem. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

what do you want to know specifically? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

http://www.musicindiaonline.com/s Listen to it at that link. I like MS Subbulakshmi's version. /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif krishna krishna

I love the black Krishna. Ok, He is a little bit blue because of year after year after year of abhishekams with milk, and other liquids, and being rubbed with sandal paste and other substances... He has a little bit of a bluey tinge to Him sometimes. But generally He is black. At least "my Krishna" is. /images/graemlins/smile.gif hehe

I would like to share with you a dream I had! It was about Hanumanji! In my dream Lord Krishna was with me, but there were a lot of demons and ghosts hanging around me. I knew the ghosts represented my sins, anger, evil tendencies. Then in the dream Krishna told me to pray to Hanumanji to make the ghosts (internal and external obstacles to devotional progress) disappear. And in the dream I chanted Hanuman chalisa, and all the bhutas simply *melted* away! Hanumanji can offer protection: Bhoot pisach nikat nahin aavai Mahavir Jaab nam sunavai All the ghosts, demons and evil forces keep away when they hear the name of "Mahavir"! Jay Jay Jay Bajarangabali http://www.pages.drexel.edu/undergrad/np22/chalisa.htm