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There is nothing impersonal about Abba our Heavenly Father, that what we Christians, catholics, believers, and messianic jews believe and are conscious of...Abba ''daddy'' ! our spiritual Heavenly Daddy in heaven. and saying Yahaveh Jehovah Jira , our providing Father in heaven is the same as sri Krsna, makes for a two faced god, and not the true and living God, our Father in is in Heaven! and Christ loka is right here on bharata varsa! thats right! the Christ will reclaim the earth! sorry theist prabu!

The dead sea scrolls prove that! a large part of the bible are the dead sea scrolls and they are thousands of years old. besides mithra worship was acceptable in pagan rome, as long as you worship the emperor or the caesar, you could worship as you please. Christians were persecuted and killed for worshiping the good shepard Christ, and not the bull god mithra!

and i saw a great white throne and him who sat on it , from whose face the earth and heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. and i saw the dead , small and great ; stand before God. (in other words it will be just we, the human race ,resurrected and with an audience with God to be judged alone) and the books were opened,: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. and death and hades were cast into the lake of fire, (the earthen graves and the temporary hell known as hades where human souls waited for this last day!) This is the second death(First death is physical and the second death is spiritual) and those whose names were not written in the lambs book of life before the foundation of the world were cast into the lake of fire"

The Lord Jesus Christ said ''Father if you will , let this cup pass from me , but not my will , but thy will be done.'' Why would Abba Hashem, who is blessed forever!, allow his pure devotee to die? you say he had nothing to do with it? why then did Jesus , when in the garden of gethsemane, about to be captured by the preatorian roman legions , say he could" Call on ten thousand legions of angels and my Father would send them readily'' The Father allowed his Son Jesus to die for our sins!

The greeks are so close to the east that it is no wonder their ancient civilization is from the east , yes the early greeks are from asia minor, or modern day turkey which is asia after all. there is nothing wrong with chanting on beads to be more Christ conscious , but Christ didn't push chanting on beads ..he said to pray always, this is constant ,personal, contact with a loving Father, Abba, the apostle paul calls him Abba, which translated is actually closer to ''daddy''! do you want more personal?you become conscious of the true God trough prayer, not repetitive chanting as the heathen do...sorry. Jesus's words not mine. He prayed ''Our Father in art in Heaven , Hallowed be thy name , thy Kingdom come , thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven, give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses,as we forgive those who trespass against us , and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil, for thine is the Kingdom and the Power and the Glory for ever and ever amen.'' he, Jesus, says don't chant repetively as the heathen do thinking that with their many words God will hear them, he already knows what you desire and what you are thinking. Hell fire is something to avoid and it is through Jesus that we can escape the second death. no, not an immature thing, a fully furnaced place, that wasn't even meant for the human race! so, don't go there!

The workers of iniquity are not meat eating christians that love Jesus and preach there is no other way, no, not at all! Read Romans where paul says the eater of plants and the eater of meat stand before God as equals. God wants to save the human race in total not add burdens that many cannot lift. And Christ loka is going to be the earth, have you not read in the beatitudes also known as the sermon on the mount where The Christ says'' The meek shall inherit the earth?'' finally, the worker of inquity is the false prophet who leads astray from the true gospel and encourages others to sin or steals from the poor, not people that eat meat! sorry God is more interested in preventing you from encountering the day of wrath which is to come. God wouldn't spare his own son to save you! is there any greater love than this?....non sense? " I could on legions of angels to deliver me, and my Father would send them readily, but i have come for this purpose'' he gave his life as a ransom for many! yes , theist prabhu this includes you!

to kulapavana , prabhuji, it was the apostle pauls prayer and fervent desire to be away from this world and be with Jesus not away from hell, he accepted God's mission to preach the gospel to as many people as possible to ...yes..sorry you have to hear this! from the second death which is the lake of fire...Jesus paid the penalty for the vaishnava as well as the heathen!!!

theist if you were on a boat and enjoying with your friends say, and a helicoptor appeared to you all on the boat that you had better turn back there is a sunami coming and you are in it's path , but you and your guests dimiss it as nonsensical, would it be the warners fault or yours when that sunami hit? and because you dimissed the sumani as false does that mean it wouldn't reach your boat. don't like that example ? your house is on fire on the first floor but your enjoying with your friends on the second and don't know it. now the karmi don't the street throws a pepple at your window, your open it up, and the foolish christian says''hey, theist , your whole down stairs is on fire!'' and you start laughing ''ah ha ha, you know that holier than thou christian down the street?...he says the house is on fire!'' and you all start to laugh hahahahahahaha.. will that stop your house from burning down!? hey theist at the bottom of the water fall is not water at all it's an eternal fire awaiting you at lifes end ...quick jump out of the boat ...Jesus is throwing you a life preserver...quick grab it ..let the boat of hell go over the edge...but not you...your eternal soul is way too valubalbe to God.. signed another nonsense christian!!!!

Actually as a term of respect and reverence God is referred to most times as the Lord. Jesus referred to God as Abba , my Father. I suppose we could read it as Abba, but my Father sounds more personal. God as our Father and our Lord , it is translated in english this way to make it more personal for us , thats all. It's not an insult to Jehovah jira, ''our provider'' which is what Jehovah means anyway. Jesus could have said,''My Jehovah or Provider in Heaven'' sounds less personal than Abba Father doesn't it. Theist Abba Hashem, ''Father God'' loves you with a deep and personal love, and wants to save you, even allowing his anointed to be crushed on the cross for your sake. and mine. i know you vaishnavas say ,'' oh well , those christians , saying this nonsense about Jesus dieing for everyones sins, hah! and it was after all the jews killing their spiritual master.'' let me tell you something friend , as soon a religion utters something nonsensical and anti semitic it is a FALSE RELIGION! yup , and that even goes for some of these anti semitic christian and catholic teachers! they are christians so-called. Jesus didn't have to be crucified ! know how i know? got a bible handy ? open it up at matthew 26: 50 to 53 now, theist, this is where Judas and the scribes pharisees and romans legions came to take Jesus to be executed through crucifixtion, notice what Jesus says '' Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and shall not presently give me 12 legions of Angels to protect me?'' here is Yahs pure devotee saying that the Mighty Jehovah , his provider and Father could very easily and mightily rescue him, but doesn't !! get it!!?? He (Abba Hashem) is going to allow his beloved Son Jesus , or Y'shua for you jewish folks, be crushed on a tree for our iniquities. get it?? His blood was spilled to pay for our , your and mine, iniquitous sins, and all of upanishads and vedas and gurus in disciplic succession can't save you from your sin nature that is head long on it's way to eternal death!!! The long awaited Messiach of the jewish people is also the Messiah of us goyim''gentiles''. Isaiah prophesied that he would be one that even the gentiles would trust in. Even if the pharisees, sadducees, zoroastrians, Jehovah witnesses, vaishnavas, muslims, buddhists don't know who the Christ is .. doesn't mean he isn't the Christ!''The annointed Messiah'' I talked to Jehovah witnesses to, and when the argument got to be useless, i told them, "okay you don't believe in hell at all, (they believe the unsaved become maggot food and thats it)you don't believe there is a hell at all right, well if you are right and i am wrong well when i die they'll chunk me into the miry clay and i'll never exist again, but if you are wrong and i accept your view , there will be eternal hell to pay, and the payment will be my very soul!'' and that is what i finally say to you vaishnavas, if you are right and i am wrong, well, when i die , i'll stand before yamaraja and the yamadutas will beat the daylights out of me and transmigrate up trought the animal kingdom back to the human platform, but if i accept your view , an eternal hell fire awaits me, i'll take my chance with Abba Father and his loving and gracious Son Jesus who according to the Apostle Paul , a jew by the way, who said'' It is Jesus who loved you and gave his life for you'' you know who that message is for?.........you ...and ....me!

that suicide sends you to hell fire, as believed by catholics and protestants alike is false. why? it's not in the bible! God knows who is and isn't saved , alone. now, i know that we christians have dropped the ball many times, and some of us have peculiar speculative beliefs, but that is human nature. But as far as an eternal hell fire that has been ignited by a heavenly war, and it is a heavenly war read the book of ephesians chapter 6 : 12 on, between the Holy God and the god of this world, the devil. and if you don't believe in the devil , that's okay with him because that means he already has you decieved. like i said before it is the other faiths and teachings that miss the mark. An Holy God and and a rebellious satan that is what the heavenly battle is about, and we, the human race, are the ransom ''I came to give my life as a ransom for many'' Jesus Christ We aren't trying to shut minds but trying to teach wisdom 101, but if the pharisees of the present day, yup you vaishnavas, strict muslims, buddhists , zoroastrians etc... are blind then what can be said. yup you are just like the blind pharisees of Jesus's day, intelligent, wise in many ways , strict in your faith, and blind to the truth!!!! the pharisees and scribes of Jesus day weren't sense gratifying meaterialists! try going without food twice a week to understand what a pharisee was. i remember i used to hate ecotisy, i am spelling it wrong i know , when we couldn't eat any grain, how about not eating at all twice a week. i am sure the pharisees ate some meat, but not much i am sure and didn't live to eat meat, their diet was no doubt 90 % vegetarian, still if there wasn't anything kosher to eat ..these guys would starve first! not their following of religions is what thier fault was ,no not all! it was who is this Jesus ''Before Abraham was born, I AM'' said Jesus and the pharisees and scribes took up stones to kill him for claiming equality to God. oh yes, infact they knew what they were doing. this is called blasphemy and deserves death by stoning. if he was teaching reincarnation they would have laughed him to scorn. they believed in resurrection , all the eternal energy that makes up this flesh body reunited with the essential human the Spirit, to stand before the Ancient of Days to be judged. it is then that we will be transformed into totally spiritual beings non sense interpretation!? wrong again ! Remember what God said to King David? ''I am the God of all flesh and for me nothing is impossible'' remember fear of the Lord God is the beginning of knowledge!

Yes, David realized that God sees even into the depths of the deepest seas. no what else? He sees and has seen every sinful and horrible act all the way back to the beginning and it is a stench in his nostrils! don't believe it? When we stand before the Ancient of Days, we will either be vessels of wrath or vessels of mercy. and by the way with vaishnava logic, it would be tempting to say that Yahaveh and Yamaraja are one and the same. only problem with this is ...Yahaveh doesn't reside in the underworld with his yamadutas, no , he is an Holy God of all light who lives above and beyond in the Heavenly Kingdom with millions upon millions of angelic beings serving him night and day. again with vaishnava logic well, then Jehovah must be brahmaji. no, wrong again, the Heaven above and beyond is eternal , and will not be destroyed when Shiva starts banging his din din drum. sorry folks, The God of the bible is the true and living God. don't forget theist '' Fear of the Lord is the beginning of understanding''

Here right from the bible theist,give a listen:''It is not the Heavenly Fathers will that any should perish, (spiritually ofcourse), but that all should come to the knowledge of salvation.'' Vaishnava's always read spiritually, but if they find something condratictory to their own beliefs, they'll dismiss it as false, or as in the case of the old testament and new testament gospels it has been tampered with. Everything will seem condratictory in the bible until you see it spiritually, got some nerve don't i? who am i to say to a strictly following disciple such as yourself .. i don't blame for feeling that way atall. okay i digress, here is the spiritual teaching from beginning to end. okay i have to start with blood sacrifices. yuk ..typical akarmi christian talkin about blood how typical. right? wrong! in every instance where Abba Hashem, (Father God), says that the smell of blood is an detestible thing and is a stench in my nostrils and ofcourse to kill an ox is to kill a man; there is an equal verse in the bible where Abba Hashem says,"A sacrifice of a sweet savor and a pungent frangant smell in my nostrils'' talkin about roasted meat, oh yes!...a shizophrenic God? can't make up his mind? no, as the vaishnava devotee is so famous for saying , ''you have to read it in context'' when the people are disobedient God says regarding their meat sacrifice'' a detesible smell'' and ofcourse the reply on your part would be''sure God was ticked about mans ugly killing for food'' then how come when he decribes roasted meat in a sacrifice as a sweet savor, but then turns around and yays''I detest you as a people, hey, but that rack of ribs there smell pretty good though!!!'' it's laughable isn't it? Jesus said lucifer was a liar and a murderer from the very start. his disobedience toward God brought sin into the world. The material world and the spiritual world are more intertwined then you may believe. In the book of Job, the prophet, peace be unto him! God asks the devil where do you come from now? and the devils reply, to and fro and up and down all over the earth. our original dna parents Adam and Eve gave up lordship of the earth to the devil who brought murder to the animal and to the man. In the beginning all human beings ate vegetables, grains and fruits, and nut and all manner of plant and seed giving foods. It actually says God was distressed to let man to eat animals, but he isn't going to condemn meat eater or plant eater to hell, so already he is more fair , that is both to mellechas and meat eaters that vaishnavism dismisses and a God who meat eaters and vegetarians alike follow. Lucifer's rebellion against God caused an eternal rift, called INIQUITY. Iniquity is unforgiven, unrepentant, non stop , no end , grows more powerful when not stopped and in short is eternal. i am sorry , God will prevail in the end, but inquitity will be taken to it's source, and it's source is non other than satan the devil. the devil and his angels (fallen angels) will be cast into an eternal flame that will burn as long as God lives, forever. but humnas will go there to ...which brings me back to sacrifice... animal sacrifices are not relishhed by God...so why did he tolerate them in the olden days? because they served am important purpose..to deflect Gods wrath.. they are (the animals ) a substitute for our lifes blood to be shed.'' have you not read '' Fear of the Lord God is the beginning of wisdom!!'' Jesus was your and my blood sacrifice for our sins, this is why we (karmi christians as you call us , believers as we call each other) but i digress, this is why we say That Gods wrath was poured out on Jesus for our iniquities and he turn away when he saw total sin on Jesus. This is why we say Jesus said ''Eli...Eli..la' ma' sa' bach thani''or Father ...Father why has though forsaken me?'' i know non sense interpretation.. wrong! we are showing the pure agony the Christ went through for us, when The Eternal Word that was with the Father in the beginning, and became flesh as the Christ, even Y'shua or Jesus was for a split second serarated by a loving heavenly Father, it was like eternal torment for him! get it? and sin is so terrible and a abominalable thing to an Holy God, that he even had to turn away from his own Son, even if for a millisecond. i don't know if it was a millisecond or not in actual meaterial measuring but it was like eternity to Jesus! It couldn't have been too long in seconds because God was overseer and heart broken over his Son beign crushed on the cross for us..it didn't stop God to use his power house spiritual power to raise the Christ to life...He (God) defeated death by bringing Jesus to life. Remember John 16?: ''For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son , that whomsoever believeth in him(Jesus)will not perish but have eternal life'' See a loving God who wants to save us. you see theist , it isn't going to be a half evil God half good God that never really existed, or atleast our, (christian and jewish interpretion of Jehovah) is false to you. but from a believers perspective(believer in Christ), sin is an eternal rift of inquity separating us from a God who hates inquity, resulting in Gods wrath towrd sin manifested as an eternal lake of sulphur and brimstone, and this rift of inquitiy was caused by satan the devil also known as lucifer for whom the lake of fire was created for originally. God din't want theist to perish , he did all he could even having his son die in his place , because the wages of sin is death and all have sinned and deserve death or will receive death if you must hear it that wsy God did all he could do to save us and the devil sin will drag you into hell except for the sacrifice that Christ made for you. This is the favorable attribute of the God of the Bible: A loving , caring, patient, and providing Father. If wrath is a part of his personality, then understand his greatness, he created the pretty flower and he also created the roaring lion and majestic siberian tiger. He is an swesome God ..praise him!

you cannot reincarnate or use any human power to leave hell. read the story of the poor beggar lazurus. the rich man ate a sumptuous feast every day he was alive except ofcourse when he had indigestion, and being rich he could afford to buy anything to make him well again so he could go back to his favorite pastime eating!, i am not putting down the overweight because i am , but i digress, lazurus was so poor and starving from mal nourishment the contact with the outside elements that he was constantly out in , except those few times some one took the poor ole fella in for a roof and probably some soup and bread, other than that he was wasting away to death, even dogs came and licked his sores!! so when they both died Lazurus was in Heaven with Father Abraham being comforted by him. and across a chasam was the rich man who ate and dined and lived like the fat cat ruler he was ..now in hell fire. he calls to Father Abraham,''Send Lazurus with a cool wet cloth to wet my tongue for i am tormented and i thirst in this flame. and Father Abraham replied, '' NO, that wouldn't be fair because in your life you had all good things and never once aided or comforted this poor man, and now he is being comforted and it your turn to suffer.'' by the way the rich ruler is not in the actual hell fire he is in hades or gehenna, a temporary place of torment . The last day is yet to happen, he , the ruler, is in a waiting place called hades, the temporary hell the Bhaktivinode Thakur discuss'es. Yes, Vaishnava's are very intelligent and have deep knowledge about many things but the God , the rebellion of the devil, and the last day is sanatandharma 101. even a muslim , who is ignorant about who Christ really is , has this basic knowledge.!!!

This isn't the real hell! you wanna know why? because this hell however long it lasts will terminate. Hell fire never dies, life is eternal yes! in one of two places!!!! you aint seen nothin yet!

hell isn't the gehenna where they burned rubbish and dead bodies on the outskirts of jerusalem, no , not at all! Hell is the everlasting wrath of an everlasting Father(YAHAVEH''I AM'' , JEHOVAH JIRA '' I PROVIDE THE CHRLDRENS BREAD'', ADONAI , ''I AM ONE'', ELOHIM, '' I AM ANOINTED, ''FATHER , SON, HOLY SPIRIT'', who created Lucifer the bright and shining star, who was beloved by God until iniguity was found in him!'' endless grievous sin''that is what iniquity is. When Job who never blasphemed the name of God'' to insult or offend'' he still started to question God's judgmenet on him, since he was an innocent man. But God said ''Now , stand like a man, and I will answer thee,''Where were you when i laid the foundations of the earth? declare to me if you have understanding?! '' or, ''who hath laid the measurements thereof, if you know , tell me! or who has stretched the line upon it?'' where then are it's foundations fashioned , or who laid it's corner stone thereof?!!! ...When all the Stars(Angelic Sons of the very God) shouted for joy!'' I know i am wording up God here, no what else? i am hipping you all to the angelic realm according to the Holy Bible. Notice when God said he stretced the earths foundations to their limit, he says, '' All the Sons of God'' shouted for joy. NOw there is no mistaking the angelic realm are likened unto the stars in the skys. yes, yes, not retort and say i am saying the material stars in the skies are actually the same angels that are spiritual beings, they are likened to the light giving material stars that many times are called Stars of Heaven. Anyway there is no mention here of a lucifer the light bringer rebelling against an Holy God. this excerpt was from the 38th book of job in the old testament. Jesus,"Hell was created for the devil and his angels'' the book of matthew but the unsaved go with him,the devil. Revelation 20:10 '' And the devil that did deceive the whole world was cast in the fire of brimstone along with the beast and the false prophet were they wiil be tormented day and night forever and ever.'' the beast and the false prophet haven't appeared yet, but don't worry , they will. Revelation 20:15'' And whosoever's name was not found written in the Lamb's book of life who was crucified before the foundation of the world, was cast in the lake of eternal fire.'' non sense interpretation aye? what if it is true???