abhaysk

"Madhvas are a minority amongst the bramhins and nobody gives a rats ass as to what they think. As far as visiting temples in Udupi, its always good to focus on the lord rather than what a madhva priest thinks. These are bramhins who practise as little VEDA as possible. Even some of their abhishekas have no vedic chants, as far as VAIDIKA bramhins are concerned, they are not even bramhins." Some posters are so rude to accuse others, good job (sadhana) to be punishable in hell. What veda, upanishads do you know Mr/Mrs/Miss x????.. Do u know Shrutis are ANATHTA..???? You talk as if you are Poorna.. Please note you are limited.. First read about Madhva's tatvas and then show you anger.. You go by Karma's of Brahmins and not concept.. Please know the underlying concept we have and then also if you feel like accusing then by all means do so.. as your sadhana will be as such and punishable and some are meant for that.. ( rather some are by virtue as such ).. BTW, No one need to "give a rats ass as to what we think".. If GOD ( and all satvikas ) gives then we are more than happy.. And GOD praises more for Yethartha Gnanis.. ( meaning Correct Knowledged ).. Rgds Abhay.

Some Quotes of the thread stater : gokulkr * "Hereafter i will visit only Sri Ramanuja shrines & vishnu temples.I will not hereafter support dwaitham." * "i dont like this kinda caste discrimination in "Mantralayam" & other "dwaita" mutts." * "Hereafter i wont visit any madhwa mutts" * "I have embraced Dwaitham. Now Jagadguru Shri Madhvacharya & Shri Pujyaya Guru Raghavendraswamy are everything to me." * "Many quotes in this thread hurts me. As a madhava, it is painful to me." * "i know all people are good here. so i beg everyone to stop quoting against Dwaitham." Dear gokulkr : I am confused at your postings, because once you say Dvaita is rediculous and in some other posts you say Dvaita is correct..???? It sounds how inconsistent are you with restpect to any philosophy you follow. Coming to your query on dicrimintaion of Castes : * First of all do you know how many Varnas are there and what are the rules for each Varna??.. And how should one Varna see other Varna's. ( i hope u know what Varna means ) * If you take Vedas ( Shrutis ) as basis for anything, then the same Vedas say to follow the histroical granthas like Mahabharata, Ramayana, Pancharatras, Puranas ( Satvika ), and Satvika part of the other Rajo and Tamasika purana ( as any verse of any purna should be in par with what Vedas say may it be Written By LORD NARAYANA himself, as HE himself mentioned in Sutras ). * When Shrutis say to follow satvika purunas, then one should have even tried to read it before make any statements like DISCRIMINATION done by Brahmins over others.. Please not we never discriminate by person, we say one should follow his DHARMA ( as per his Varna ).. * For instance, Shree Narada Maharshi when he was born as Shurda in his previous Brahma Kalpa, he himself followed what was in his Varna.. though he was Knowledged about Lord and all tatvas.. and though he knew he was at the level 14. Another instance is as shown by our Kanaka dasaru.. He respected what Shree Hari has given him though he knew he is at level 12.. Why do u think such big Gnanis folloed what GOD gave them their birth in that Varnas?? Are you guys more knowledged Shree Yama ( Kanakadas ), Shree Narada?? ( To the matter of fact Shree Kanaka Dasaru followed Madhva Sidhanta, I would say he is true Madhva follower ) * When GOD himself has shown in his Avatars as to how should Kshetriya, Vaiysa, Shudra respect Brahmana.. More oever He says His presence in Brahmana is "Vishesha" ( Special ).. And Brahmana Varna is above all Varna.. But please note JIVA also has VARNA, and here we are talking of Stool Sharira ( Physical Body Level ).. In fact Lord has shown in his Avtar Shree Rama how should Brahmana be respected. Please read Ramayana about his interactions with his GURU Shree Vishwamitra.. Though he is GURU to this universe and anything else, he prostrated to Shree Vishwamitra ( But here it wud not mean "Namaskara" to SOUL Shree Vishwamitra but to his Antrayami Rupa which is aginn Lord himself ).. If these are the things why and who are we to disobey rules present for any Varnas???? Some Quotes of the administrator : jndas "Just to clarify, even the Gaudiyas accept a class of jivas known as nitya-mukta (eternally liberated) and nitya-baddha (eternally bound in samsara), but this eternally bound is used in the context of it being untraceable - not literally eternal. Logically, something that has no beginning can have an end, and this has been proven by Madhva with the following example. In front of you there is a table with no deepam (lamp) on it. How long has this deepam not been on the table? The answer is eternally, as there has never been a deepam on the table. Now if you bring a deepam onto the table the beginningless non-presence of the deepam on the table is ended. Thus that which has no beginning can have an end - i.e. the beginningless (nitya) bondage in samsara of the jiva can be ended by bhakti." Ahh there i see some flaw in giving this co-relation with Mukti and other states. One shuould notice that JIVA is nithya means it has no distruction of JIVA as a whole and also would mean that its attributes are also not indestructable ( Though GOD can, HE dosent change is what he says ).. Now giving an example of "Non presence of Deepam on table from infinite time" cannot be co-related to the bondage.. Because Nithya is used with respect to Chetana and some kind of AChetans ( Like TIME, SPACE, VEDAS ).. Presence and Non Presence of Jada "DEEPAM" is not at all NITHYA.. so the analogy of Madhva still holds good. Jiva is eternal and has bondage untill all its Prarabdha Karmas are washed away by Brahma Gnana ( Just not Bhakti, as it may be Mudha Bhakti ).. Jiva once attaining Brahma Gnana is still eternal in MUKTI.. where as for those of Rajo, Tamo jivas.. their eternal places are "nithya samasrins" ( ofcourse not on this earth ).. and "Tamasa" (Deep hell and no return).. Rgds Abhay.