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what do you mean, to create an "unwanted" population?

Ahh, i see what you mean now. that's hard to answer because by our limited logic it would follow that direct-only knowledge is a limit. To be honest, i can't answer that. At least we both agree that he is still all knowing in some sense. ok, not directly, as you said. ok, what about Kalki who will see with His own two eyes these "filthy" things? All very metaphysical... i guess it doesn't matter either way... the important thing is that we remain in devotional service and full of Love.

meaning he chooses to forgive, no? Not that He doesn't see it. I do not see how God can be God if He is somehow shielded from everything - in the end of the day this is HIS creation - HIS maya. HE created it knowing full well the implications of kali. But He is not affected by the these things because, as Krsna confirms in Gita, He is the source of EVERYTHING. He is no more affected by these sinful acts as the horror movie director is affected by his creation in the studio set. That's my thoughts anyway.

interesting thought... how do you think Krsna's knowing your future thought process impinges on your free will? would it not just be like watching tv for Him (knowing exactly what is going to happen, like watching a rerun ), rather than interfering with the actor in the tv directly?

I agree... there can be ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that can escape Krsna's gaze. Otherwise, what is the meaning of "All Knowing" and "All Seeing"? Anyway, that question is besides the point of the thread.

I had it explained to me by an enlightened soul very recently... Free will for a person can be considered as a bull that is tied to a tree. The bull can move here and there so long as the rope permits, but no further. So basically, there is free will and "written future" at the same time - some things are totally up to you and there are many other things over which you have no control.

funny you should say that actually - Krsna's and especially Radha's birthday don't come high on the hindu list as Diwali, Ramnavmi and Shivarathri do (at least in my experience). Certainly Radhastami is not celebrated with any big pomp by hindus, just Vaishnavas. But certainly Diwali and New Year are right at the top of the list all across India and the rest of the world (amongst hindus).

My view (devoid of any in depth vedic knowledge) is that if one is in such a situation, then your True Father is God and the biological one is just somebody else. Eventually, i would hope, even he would see the light through your good work and love. God is the ultimate divine Mother and Father.

someone here might be able to direct you to an article i read a while back that theorises vedic presence in the Arabic states more than a few thousand years ago and also at the time of the Prophet PBUH. Unfortunately it is not backed up by more solid evidence, but the logic is sound. I can't remember the author name but if i seee it online i'll post it. Someone on this forum has posted it before so it might be worth doing a search. It might also be on Stephen Knapp's website.

Without knowing anythiong else about him, sounds like a very blessed soul to me. The ultimate goal is Love and Devotion - sound like he really attained that from what you said.

Why 16 times? Tackleberry, just chant the name of the Lord with LOVE AND DEVOTION. Devote all of your actions to Him - engage yourself in service! That way your mind remains on the Lord and not on your problems. Not only that, I'm sure it will Him soooo happy Better still, let's all pray that you can get out of that hole and be happy again! I'll certainly be chanting for you as I am sure most of the visitors here will! KEEP SMILING!

dam! can't even beat that with wordplay!

ans super-sattwic if you worship him out of pure selfless love

Hi Guest, My folks have an amazing Krsna murti with cow behind him but no Radha with Him. I think they got it from a place on melton road in leicester - can't remember the name of the place but its underground. anyway there;s LOTS of shops on that road its like Little India, you're bound to find soemething there. Good luck!

I only sent one post. You're getting me mixed up with someone else. the two parts of that sentence do not seem to make coherent sense. Compassion here? I hope so. I'm not contesting your view of the poem. Only found it interesting that you extrapolated it that way. The poem is only a signature of forum member, not an insinuation of anything to do with this thread. Perhaps that is the source of your thoughts? sounds like you have a quiff with this group. We are only members of the public. Not saints, learned persons or anything like that. We're only trying to discuss in order to understand better. Contrary to your comments, there have been many instances where the wisdom of a few members here have really elightened me and helped on my journey. so there sorry. i dont personally mean to be shallow and certainly others dont either. that makes no sense. that makes no sense either. what's your point? why do you think we dont want to share?? what would be the point of having a public forum if we didnt want to share ideas?? Anyway, seriously - if you wanna take up the argument please start up a new thread. And registering a name would be nice too! Thanks.

Yogesh from za, you can hit the "Edit" button to change your posts if mistakes!!

Hi, This is trailing off the point off the thread - start a new one maybe? But just a case of point - interesting how the poem has evoked your reaction. The poem insinuates nothing about the wise watching the befallen silently. When I read it I thought of those who dont speak too rashly, preferring to think and learn before deciding to speak. But from such a simplistic poem you got to "selfish", "stubborn" and "shoot" ... anyway, like i said, maybe beloings in a different thread.

Goloka Vrndavan is where Krsna performs eternal pastimes as I understand it.

where do you live? There are few schools around that teach sanskrit in London - in fact there is a class at the Manor every sunday (or saturday i think??). There are also self-teaching books. Good old google: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=learning+sanskrit&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

practicality, practicality, practicality. Of course there is no conflict - the Guru you are speaking of is giving you spiritual instruction. Whatever material instruction you get is different. Just the same as a school kid is perfectly ok to go to a geography teacher, a maths teacher, an English teacher, etc. There is no problem. If you are not satisfied with that then take examples from shashtra - The Pandavas had many Gurus - Drona and Kripa, Bhishma and Vidura also taught them (politics), and many many rishis in the Kamyaka forest when they were in exhile, e.g. Dhaumya, Vyas. If you are speaking about a second "initiating" Guru then that is different. But a teacher of the material sciences, including music, is totally ok! If you are still worried, simply ask your Guru for permission.

Without bull no calf can even start alive

i know

Unfortunately for you, my friend, you seem to have only met the bad apples. In my experience, it's been quite the opposite. Maybe I've met the minority. Or maybe you have. I agree on the point of corruption tho. The government really needs to get its priorities straight. But i think that's little reason to hold the entire country accountable. If we were going by that logic, I dont think we would find a single country on the planet that is "good". Politics has always been dirty, its the nature of the game.

I've heard someone else say that too - do you know where this is documented in the Vedas please? I would like to read the context.

You call him Bhagavan whilst at the same time insinuating him to be a "maha paapi". The fact is that Buddha is none other than Narayana Himself and so He can really preach whatever He deems fit. Say you are a mother and you realise that the only way that your son will progress in life is for him to leave home. He is vile right now, he speaks back to you and even goes as far as to say that he does not consider you his mother. A mother's love is such that she will let him go regardless. He will eventually learn and repent but has to do so in his own way because he's just built to think differently. He needs a different path. In the same way, if God wants his Bhaktas-to-be to progress He has to let them follow the path they are on until they are fit for more. Evidently the path of Devotion was too much for the people of the time of Buddha - otherwise He would have preached as Krsna did. That is God's Leela - so wonderful and multi-facedted. We see things from our own scewed view. It's like watching TV - you only see what the camera is focussing on but totally unaware of the rest of the things that are going on because we cannot see them. You may not agree with non-dual or atheistic philosophies - that's fine, you're on a differnt path. God has a plan for everyone for their own MAXIMUM benefit for their particular stage. We just have to simply trust.