Sephiroth

by Redsox Yes, you're right ... your argument regarding Personal God versus impersonal God is meaningless.

kd gupta ... what are you talking about?

Perhaps you should ask those who listen to preaching and forget about it later on why they are wasting their time listening to preaching? I'm very doubtful that everyone is like what you said they are. I'm certain not, and I know many who are not. Perhaps your confusion could be cleared if you look toward good people who still exists in this world, instead of looking at corrupted and worldly-minded people.

Isn't this kind of stupid questions? I mean ... why get marry if you wanted to be celibate? And where did it say that one must choose Celibacy, only then could Sri Krishna accept you?

by Redsox Says who? Judaism started when Moses brought down the Ten commandments from God for his people to follow. Today, Christianity have tried to take over Judaism by stating that Judaism is obsolete and that everyone should follow Christianity and worship a dead guy, hanging on a cross. Then, Muhammad came along and accuse Jews of killing of Jesus and thus, this two groups have been trying to eradicate Jews for the past 2,000 years. so, don't give me that bull that Monotheism is authentic crap. ONLY Judaism is authentic here. NOT COUNTING HINDUISM AND BUDDHISM. Mind showing me where does this beliefs stated so? Because I don't remember anything such. Wrong ... that concept comes from Islam and it has nothing to do with Judaism. Blind Faith is NOT part of Judaism. In Islam and Christianity, they have to follow blindly and believe (that Muhammad is a prophet of god or that Jesus is a son of a god). In Judaism, Moses and the prophets have very little influence. Their way of living is not something others supposed to follow (because they are the Chosen ones). ONLY the Words of God (which they deliver to the people) are to be followed.

sambya : Are you STUPID or something? I asked you about something good which came from the West and all you can come out with is this stupidity about Sattee and how the British (allegedly) abolish it. I said allegedly because the ONLY time I have ever come across this practise was when reading the book - "Around the World in 80 days" which makes me wonder whether the practise was genuine or just to fool Indians like yourself. This is of course with assumption that you are an Indian. And as far as I considered, this idiocy with the so-called Sattee practise (which is doubtful if it even existed) is NOT PROOF or anything. It merely shows that you are stuck and the West have not brought ANYTHING good to India. What is the difference between saying Science is a tool to promote the beliefs in God and by saying that Science must verify God? I do not see a difference here. As a Tool to promote the belief in God, Science must have a certain level of "proof" of God. Therefore, using this proof (of Science), educated people should then accept God through Science. Thank you. I shall take that as a compliment. Are you not?

sambya : He who speaks in behalf of a drunkard are equally at fault as the drunkard themselves. Even those who wish to give up drinking will be spoilt by people like you who defend their drinking attitudes. Whahahahahaha You're a person who have no idea whatsoever on what comes out of your mouth. Just like a sawhai person I know of in another forum. You said you spoke of Bodhivatta and understood the word but you do not know what it is. Then what is the use of knowing the word but not the meaning? Isn't that stupid? Yet, you have guts to come to me and say I'm confused. You cannot say NEVER and then use words like "couldn't be sure" together, can you? It shows that you do not know what comes out of your mouth and have poor control of your Mind.

sambya : YES, I will disagree with that as long as you failed to provide a single example of something good which came from the West. The Truth does not lies "somewhere", it lies WITHIN. Temple of God is within the Human Heart. That is where the 1% lies and that is Where I shall find the Truth. Because Ignorance cannot be pushed aside. While following Ignorance will lead you astray, turning around and facing them will ensure that the Truth we seek will endure. Science maybe Ignorance, but putting Religious Facts in Scientific matter could ensure that our future generations have a beginning points to start in their ways to understand complex things. In basic language, Science can be used as a tool to teach youngsters about God in His basic form and understand. As they grow older and more mature, we can introduce them to a more complex ideas of God and allow them to slowly mature along with that knowledge. In that way, Science becomes a Tool to understand God. There is nothing wrong with my knowledge or understanding. It is your foolish Atheist beliefs and attitude which made you stuck.

Sambya : Proving you to be wrong could not make you into a good person NOR will it make me into a wiser person. I could be wasting my time trying to educate someone who believes that alcohol is good for him. You speak of words which you do not understand, and expect others to call you wise. Foolish indeed. The very fact that one isolated case (as you call it) remains shows that you are using Wikipedia even so its contents are doubtful. That is proof enough. I did not ask you how long he lives, I asked you WHY he should live 22 days? The Buddhas are ANYTHING BUT ordinary. Up to you on what you should believe.

sambya : I really don't give a damn if you are incapable of understanding facts. Then give me an example of something which actually good came out of the West. Because they believe in that 1% I have spoke of. Hmm ... your atheist attitude is showing. Those "attacking" scientists as you called them are people fooled by Ignorant Science which I have spoken of. Why should we be bothered by people who are blinded by ignorance? I have not come here so I could receive your blessings. If you wish to speak, then speak. Otherwise, leave my sight.

sambya : I don't see the purpose of me entertaining you in this matter. Have you not walk around stating how Vedic culture have allowed alcohol drinking? Buddhahood is nothing to do with attaining Bodhivatta. Matter a fact, such belief can only be found in Mahayana Buddhism, which Thervada Buddhism (teachings of Gautama Buddha) do not support. If your goal is to obtain state of Bodhivatta, then you will not find enlightment and will still fall down to the cycle of rebirth. That's funny, you usually use Wikipedia to support your claims in the past. Anyway, as the Wikipedia have stated, ONLY those who believes in Advaita follows the belief of Jivamukti. Then what is the use of him being alive for 22 days? Might as well that he dies straightaway. In Thervada Buddhism, Gautama Buddha have achieved Enlightnment but he choose to suspend the final process (which involves physical death) in order to teach Humans about the Truth. I'm the Serpeant that Guarded the Buddha in His meditation.

sambya : It is not what I say or understand. It is FACT. Fact is Fact, sugar-coating it will not make it anymore pleasant to swallow. Actually it is. Can you give me an example of something which comes from the West which actually good for you? Hmph ... people who follows the 99% will always look for others to verify what they believe in, because they have no idea what they believe in. One who believe in the 1% will always know what he believes in is the truth for its simplicity. I do not see the relationship about my backgrounds and this discussion.

sambya : And why should I? By keep asking other to prove you to be wrong, you have already believed that you are correct. In such situation, explaining anything to you could be a waste of time. And what may I ask do you understand by this state of Buddhahood? Jivanmukta concept could only be found in Advaita Vedanta - which was founded by Adi Shankara. And it is the ONLY school which stated such concept where a person can achieve Moksha even while he still alive. Jivanmukta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia And what happens after the 22 days? Then you agree that there are other Buddhas who have come and went from the time Gautama Buddha was around to this day? And there is no such thing as Historical Buddha. The True Buddha is Gautama Buddha ALONE. The next one could be Maitreya Buddha. Thank you. I shall take that as a compliment. And you are AFRAID. Why are you afraid?

sambya : No, Christianity alone was the reason for the Dark Ages to commence and last for 500 YEARS, choking the European communities from advancing. Even today, it is a fear of such "choking effect" still could be found in Europe and America where people there are still very much ignorant toward Science. Same thing except you use some nice words to say it. Ignorant Science was created in the West in order to rebel against the (Christian) god. That is fact no matter how you say it. Quit your daydreams. The Westerners are not that open-minded. They are very egoistic and selfish and they will always look down on Indians, Chinese and everything Asian. Take History for example. Hindu scholars have already discovered that the Sun was the centre of the Solar System and even went to calculate the distant from Earth to the Sun over 1,000 years before Copernicus and what does West teaches to its people there? That Copernicus was the "father" of astronomy. Chinese people have invented paper and used it for various purposes (including as toilet paper) by the time Marco Polo reached China in 13th Century and who gets the credits for inventing the publications? Gutenberg. The Westerners are still very much a Christian even so they do not accept Christianity (as they did during the Dark Ages). They still want their religion to be in the center of everything, and their Jesus to be the most important one and that they are the center of the Universe and all others must bow to them. That attitude did not change from the day they sat foot on the sands of Goa, India to the present day. And THAT is the difference between you and me. I take the 1% to be more important to the 99%.

sambya : To me, whether it is Materialistic Knowledge or Spiritual knowledge - only thing I could think about is HOW TO USE THEM for benefit of Mankind. If you cannot use them for the benefit of Mankind, then those knowledge are USELESS. Wrong ... Western Science evolved from the needs to debunk Christian god. And that is fact. Unlike in India, the Europeans have lived for 500 years in (what historians called) Dark Ages. In that period of time, Christianity was practiced and Science is according to the Bible. Which means that anyone who said that the Earth is not the Center of the Universe or the Solar System, or that there are other lifeforms somewhere else and such WILL BE CONSIDERED HERETIC AND PUNISHED BY DEATH. So, Science grew later with a goal of ensuring that the Dark Ages do not return. Unfortunately for us (in the East), this foolish people considered Asians to be lowered in status and education and attended to "reeducate" Asians so they could be more civilized. And that is how this ignorant Science found it's way to Asia. I don't know ... what do you think? 99% is useless without the 1% to complete it, and 1% is simply too small to be considered as an important fact. So, what do you believe we should do?