Kripamoya

she be a pretty smart cookie then.

Yes, I know. Narayan Maharaja called Sridhar Maharaja a fish-seller and a coal merchant, because the government forced him to allow fishing from his pond and because Govinda Maharaja made a little bit of money by selling coal to the locals. That is a long way from the kinds of scams and schemes that I am talking about in the name of Gaudiya Vaishnavism in America.

Jesus preached the fatherhood of Godhead. The Gaudiya view of God is that he is the consort-lover. The fatherhood of Godhead is considered a very crude conception of Godhead by the Gaudiyas. God as father is simply the supplier and the maintainer. The erotic consorthood of Godhead is the most exotic conception of Godhead that there can be. In the highest realm of spirituality, the mundane conception of morality is completely non-existant and the highest manifestation of the erotic principle predominates. Jesus might be the way, the truth and the light of the fatherhood of Godhead, but the Gaudiya faith is not interested in the fatherhood of Godhead. God as lover is much more fun than God as father. That is the naked truth.

You seem to be trying to say that Prabhupada approved of scams. Srila Prabhupada did NOT approve of any scams or schemes. His program was to go out to the streets and support the temples by selling books. all these scams and schemes were introduced by ambitious leaders who wanted to impress Prabhupada by giving him lots of money. These guys were pulling scams and schemes and sending the money to Prabhupada. Like Guru-kripa in Japan? When Prabhupada finally found out how he was getting the money there and causing ISKCON to get banned from Japan, Prabhupada told Guru-kripa to his face "you will never amount to anything after what you did in Japan".

I always have a problem reading these long paragraphs without any break. The words just all run together and I have to strain my eyes to read. that is why I always put a lot of breaks in my post, so that the words don't run together and discourage people from reading them. What makes good writing according to modern standards in books does not work very good with forums in my opinion. I have heard some devotees like Raga take issue with this style of breaking up paragraphs in posts, but I think it makes them a whole lot easier to read than these paragraphs that just run on and on.

During my ISKCON days I liked to travel around to different temples. When I felt like I was falling into rut, I wanted to travel. Many times I simply walked out of a temple with no money and hitch-hiked hundreds of miles to get to another temple. I did not wear my devotee clothes on the road, but I always ended up telling them that I was a Hare Krishna devotee and they always wanted to hear about it. I have had people feed me, give me money for food and even take me home for the night and take me back to the highway the next day. Actually, travelling alone and depending on Krishna is really a lot of fun. Any time I was hungry on the road I just mentioned to someone that I haven't eaten today and they would always give me a dollar or two for some food. It's not hard to survive as a beggar. The beggar lifestyle is actually a very exciting adventure - depending on Krishna every day. These scams and schemes lifestyles are actually miserable and full of stress.

But, please don't take Bhaktivinode's metaphorical concepts and use that to justify t-shirt booths at National Parks and selling karmi records and CDs to artificially build temples and facilities through a process other than what one can accomplish through preaching alone. Then we have those guys with huge bank balances that they acquired through using some Gaudiya vaishnava society as a front for making a lot of personal profit without paying any kind of tax on it. These scams and schemes have been going on for a long time, but it's a bad way to build up a preaching mission. Rejecting the schemes and scams and depending totally on Krishna would have resulted in a much greater accomplishment in the preaching field than a compromising, half-hearted money making enterprise of scams and schemes.

Did Narayana Maharaja tell this story to someone? I guess Satsvarupa missed that part of Prabhupada's life in his biography? With all the research that Satsvarupa did and he never heard that story from anyone before, it seems a little odd that in 2006 some bizarre story like this surfaces on the world wide web.

they were probably referring to one of his useless and fallen disciples........................ me!

I hope this is just bad phrasing and not an actual concept. I don't like to hear of Krishna consciousness being referred to as a "product". A product is something sold for commercial consumption for the sake of making financial gain. Personally, I would have liked to have seen more poverty, simplicty and dependence on Krishna by certain "gurus" around the movement. I don't like to see commercial enterprises, businesses and money making schemes being conducted by "sannyasis". I am looking for the REAL beggar type mendicants, who just depend on Krishna without having to conduct businesses and commercial enterprises. It can be done. I used travel around the movement from one temple to another without money and hitch-hiking around the country. I met lots of nice people and did a lot of preaching. This has always been my idea of what sannyasa should be. Big money, business and profit-making schemes seem to go ill with the concept of total dependence on Krishna. Too much comfort and facility will block self-realization.

Realized devotees of the highest level see that everyone BUT HIMSELF are serving Krishna. That is why the self-realized souls like Srila Prabhupada have to come down and imitate the middle class devotee in order to preach. When one is in the highest level of realization he feels that every living entity but himself is serving Krishna nicely. Ordinary devotees don't see it that way, so they are inclined to preach. In reality though, the vision of the Maha-Bhagavat is actually the correct vision; all but my myself are serving Krishna. To say that this devotee or that devotee has fallen and gone to hell, is not the vision of a Maha-Bhagavat. The benefits of even a moment's association with a pure devotee are incalculable.To say that devotees go to hell when they can't maintain the highest standard is very wrong. No high-grade devotee would ever insult a fallen devotee and discourage him with such harsh words.

Can you give us an example of Prabhupada "bragging"? Or, are you making accusations from the platform of false ASSumptions?

75-09-02.Omk Letter: Omkara Please accept my blessings. I have seen your letter dated August 17, 1975 and have noted the contents. I never said there should be no more marriage. By all means legally you can get married. How can I object? They misunderstand me. Unless it is there from me in writing, there are so many things that "Prabhupada said."

Let's face it fellows, we are dealing with achintya-shakti. We are on an eternal quest (nitya-baddha jiva) to make the inconceivable fit within our tiny minds and brains. It's a hopeless adventure into absurdity. As soon as we think we have got it figured out, we have totally disqualified ourselves from any further enlightenment.

Krishna is Yogesvara...... Master of Mysticism! Radha is the internal pleasure ecstacy of the Supreme Mystic Krishna.