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I was curious to find out more about this guy, especially after recently seeing another guy with his own similar show, and a "pet psychic" on the Animal Network who supposedly communicates with departed pets. I came across a couple of interesting articles: http://bboard.scifi.com/bboard/browse.cgi/1/5/2708/12 and http://scientium.com/diagon_alley/commentary/editorial_concourse/mcnamara/edward.htm They each give excellent accounts of "cold reading" and other techniques which most of these "psychics" utilize. For instance, Edwards routinely keeps his audience waiting, seated, for 2 hours before he makes his entrance. Microphones pick up conversations taking place amongst the guests, which gives Edwards some cues while he listens backstage. He also routinely briefs his audience that they must give him feedback in order for this "communication with the dead" to be successful. Also, the shows are heavily edited before airtime, which gives the producers a chance to reduce his "misses" and increase his "hits".

Srila Prabhupada desired to work conjointly, at the beginning of his mission as well as during his final manifest days. This was his desire, and he stated so quite clearly. Those who consider themselves followers of Srila Prabhupada should respect his desires. The purpose of his founding the Bhaktivedanta Charity Trust is described in his own words: "In keeping with the spirit of the previous acarya's vision of Gaudiya-Madhva sampradaya, to cement relations with all the sister temples of Gaudiya-Madhva sampradaya under one banner, to solidify preaching the message of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, as desired by His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Prabhupada and Srila Thakura Bhaktivinoda and all the previous acaryas in this line." (Room Conversation, Vrindaban, October 29, 1977, 771029RC.VRN) About a week later, still discussing the Bhaktivedanta Charity Trust, he said: We want co-operation." (Room conversation, Vrndavana, 6 November 1977) Shortly before his Disappearance he said: "Srila Prabhupada (Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati) said that we should preach in Europe, America. That was his desire, and his other desire was that we all work together jointly to preach". "Yes, that is right" said Narayana Maharaja. "I didn't waste a single moment" said Srila Prabhupada "I tried my best, and it has been successful to some extent". Srila Prabhupada's voice was choked with emotion. "If we work conjointly" he continued, "then as Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu said prthivite...sankirtana has great possibilities. My life is coming to an end. It is my desire that you all forgive me for my mistakes... (Srila Prabhupada Lilamrta, Vol 6, p.399-401) During the earlier years of his worldwide Movement, this same desire was expressed: "So far as I am concerned, I am always for co-operation. If we can co-operate, we can do tremendous service for Lord Caitanya in the matter of propagating the mission of Lord Caitanya very nicely. I am prepared to co-operate with the Gaudiya mission wholeheartedly. Soon you can negotiate about our amalgamation on a co-operatively basis, it will be great service to Srila Prabhupada." Letter to Dr Syamasundardas Brahmacari, 5-9-69 It is best that we try to understand any differences he had with his Godbrothers with a cool head. In several places he referred to these differences as simply "differences of opinion." For instance: "So far as your question about controversy amongst the disciples of Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Goswami Maharaja, that is a fact. But this controversy is not material. Just like in a national program, different political parties are sometimes in conflict and make propaganda against each other, but their central point is always service to the country. Similarly, amongst the disciples of Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati there may be some controversy, but the central point is how to preach the mission of His Divine Grace. If the central point is fixed up then there is no harm in such controversy. Every individual being must have his opinion; that is the significance of individuality, but all such differences of opinions must coincide in Krishna. Letter to: Mandali Bhadra : 69-07-28 Los Angeles I know I've already posted this once, but I believe that these words of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati are quite relevant: "Those, whose judgement is made of mundane stuff, being unable to enter into the spirit of the all-loving controversies among pure devotees, due to their own want of unalloyed devotion, are apt to impute to the devotees their own defects of partisanship and opposing views." Sri Brahma samhita p.72

The supposed rift between Srila Prabhupada and Srila Bon Maharaja was based upon, from my understanding, a comment Bon Maharaja made while speaking to Prabhupada's disciples, wherein he referred to them as "hippies." I'm sure it was taken out of context, as he most likely intended to say "former hippies". Regardless, Srila Prabhupada was very displeased with these words from his Godbrother. However, in the end, he apologized to all his Godbrothers for any unkind words he said, and mentioned that he only did it for the sake of preaching. Also, every year Sri Caitanya Saraswata Math puts out a pictured calendar of Vaisnava dates. Srila Hrdaya Bon Maharaja is pictured with his appearance and disappearance days; and it is even more wonderful to see Srila Krsnadasa Babaji Maharaja also listed. And Srila Bhakti Pramoda Puri Maharaja also. So, if Srila Sridhara Maharaja considers Srila Bon Maharaja to be a bona fide Vaishnava, such that his picture and appearance/disappearance days are mentioned, and if Srila Prabhupada considered Srila Sridhara Maharaja to be his siksa Guru, then perhaps we have no business perpetuating the brief so-called "feud" which existed between Srila Bon Maharaja and Srila Prabhupada. As far Srila Madhava Maharaja, in Srila Prabhupada's last days, he appointed Madhava Maharaja as a trustee on the Bhaktivedanta Charity Trust. Clearly, any temporary "apparent" rift between the two had been resolved. "Prabhupada has formed a trust, the Bhaktivedanta Swami Charity Trust, and its purpose is to develop Gauda-mandala-bhumi. Prabhupada's one idea is to build this darsana-mandapa at the yoga-pitha. And another is to finish Sridhara Maharaja's darsana-mandapa at his..., like that, to develop the different..., to encourage co-operation between the different Godbrothers in the temples. The members of the trust are myself and Tamala Krsna Maharaja and Giriraja, Svarupa Damodara, myself, Madhava Maharaja and Madhusudana Maharaja. Prabhupada named those members. Prabhupada: How do you think the idea? Jayapataka: All of your ideas, Srila Prabhupada, are perfect. I am not someone to offer opinion. But if you ask, I think that actually, especially the yoga-pitha, natha-mandira, that's a very dynamic idea, and in general it must do good. Prabhupada: We want co-operation. (Room conversation, Vrndavana, 6 November 1977) A couple of quotes worthy of consideration; the first by Srila Prabhupada, the second by Srila Bhaktisiddanta Saraswati Thakur: "Among Vaisnavas there may be some difference of opinion due to everyone's personal identity, but despite all personal differences, the cult of Krsna consciousness must go on. We can see that under the instructions of Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami Maharaja began preaching the Krsna consciousness movement in an organized way within the past hundred years. The disciples of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami Maharaja are all Godbrothers, and although there are some differences of opinion, and although we are not acting conjointly, every one of us is spreading this Krsna consciousness movement according to his own capacity and producing many disciples to spread it all over the world." Srimad-Bhagavatam Canto 4: Chapter Twenty-eight, Text 31 "Those, whose judgement is made of mundane stuff, being unable to enter into the spirit of the all-loving controversies among pure devotees, due to their own want of unalloyed devotion, are apt to impute to the devotees their own defects of partisanship and opposing views." Sri Brahma samhita p.72 The bottom line is, as Yasodanandana prabhu has pointed out repeatedly, that one of the pillars of the post-samadhi ritvik system is the nonstop blasphemy of Srila Prabhupada's Godbrothers and all others affiliated with the Gaudiya Math. Of course, if one of them were to suddenly endorse the Post-samadhi ritvik idea, then that person would be used (although not followed as a siksa guru) to prop up the PS ritvik system. Another point to consider is that Srila Prabhupada was/is non-sectarian, and said as much in so many places. Ritviks like to take these quotes out of their time and place context and make it appear that Srila Prabhupada was indeed sectarian. I seriously doubt that Srila Prabhupada would want his followers to misprepresent him that he was inimical, even blasphemous towards his Godbrothers. (Which he wasn't.) Srila Prabhupada taught us not to criticize or blaspheme Vaishnavas. He may have had some temporary differences with some of his Godbrothers, but clearly he loved and respected them. I also agree with Theist when he said recently that if Srila Prabhupada had not come alone to the West, if he had come with a delegation of other Vaishnavas, then we probably would never know the full extent of the power of a single pure Vaishnava to transform the shape of the world, and indeed, the hearts of innumerable mlecchas in the West. Now that we know what a pure Vaishnava is capable of, let us welcome other pure Vaishnavas to assist us and carry on the Sankirtan Movement, no matter their party affiliation. Srila Prabhupada blazed a trail to the West for others to follow. As Theist also pointed out, it was 30 years before Srila Prabhupada came to the West after Srila Bhaktisiddhanta's initial order. "A lifetime in preparation", as it has been written. Although he requested assistance, (and he did receive some assistance), for the most part it would have been impractical for disciples of other Gurus to suddenly drop their service (and no, they weren't "ringing bells", they were actively preaching and engaging in intense bhajana) and join him. Srila Prabhupada is an extraordinary soul. But that doesn't mean that those who didn't join him at the time of his request were neophytes who were forever doomed to endure the ninda of Prabhupada's disciples. Personally, I welcome those great souls who are now coming to the West, even if it took them 30 years to prepare (just as it took Srila Prabhupada.) Vancha kalpa tarubhyas ca....

Excerpts from: Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, The Harmonist, December 1931, vol. XXIX No.6 There have, however, already arisen serious misunderstandings regarding the proper interpretation of the life and teachings of Srila Thakur Bhaktivinode. Those who suppose they understand the meaning of his message without securing the guiding grace of the Acarya are disposed to unduly favour the methods of empiric study of his writings. There are persons who have got by heart almost everything that he wrote without being able to catch the least particle of his meaning. Such study cannot benefit those who are not prepared to act up to the instructions lucidly conveyed by his words. Thakur Bhaktivinode is acknowledged by all his sincere followers as possessing the above powers of the pure devotee of Godhead. His words have to be received from the lips of a pure devotee.... If no help from the pure devotee is sought the works of Thakur Bhaktivinode will be grossly misunderstood by their readers. The attentive reader of those works will find that he is always directed to throw himself upon the mercy of the pure devotee if he is not to remain unwarrantably self-satisfied by the deluding results of his wrong method of study. The Absolute appears to the listening ear of the conditioned soul in the form of the Name on the lips of the sadhu. This is the key to the whole position. The method offered by Thakur Bhaktivinode is identical with the object of the quest. The method is not really grasped except by the grace of the pure devotee. The arguments, indeed, are these. But they can only corroborate, but can never be a substitute for, the word from the living source of the Truth who is no other than the pure devotee of Krishna, the concrete Personal Absolute. Thakur Bhaktivinode's greatest gift to the world consists in this; that he has brought about the appearance of those pure devotees who are, at present, carrying on the movement of unalloyed devotion to the Feet of Shree Krishna by their own wholetime spiritual service of the Divinity.... Those who pretend to recognise the Divine Mission of Thakur Bhaktivinode without aspiring to the unconditional service of those pure souls who really follow the teachings of the Thakur by the method enjoined by the scriptures and explained by Thakur Bhaktivinode in a way that is so eminently suited to the requirements of the sophisticated mentality of the present Age, only deceive themselves and their willing victims by their hypocritical professions and performances. These persons must not be confounded with the bonafide members of the flock. The complete article may be viewed here.

Guruvani, Narayana Maharaja and his troupe have been slandering and demeaning the ritvik doctrine and it's followers since the day Prabhupada left. That's an outright lie. He didn't initiate his first Western disciple until around 1989. I personally know the first couple of Prabhupada disciples who began to meet with Srila Narayana Maharaja, and that wasn't until the early to mid 80's. Ritvik was a non-issue. It wasn't until he was asked about the issue that he offered his opinion. And that wasn't until the mid to late 90's. Even Srila B.P Puri Maharaja said, sometime in the mid 90's, that "ritvik" would mean the death of our Sampradaya. Ritviks, beginning with Nityananda's crew at VVR in the 80's were heavily blaspheming Srila Sridhara Maharaja. But now, oh. Some out-of-context quote was discovered and now some ritviks are favorable towards Srila Sridhara Maharaja. Still, many ritviks continue to blaspheme Gaudiya Math gurus, simply because they do not endorse post-samadhi ritvik. As far as "living guru", someone recently posted a quote from Srila Sridhara Maharaja wherein he used that expression. An excerpt from Srila Bhaktisiddanta Sarasvati explaining how sadhakas cannot fully understand the words of departed pure devotees without the help of other pure devotees has been posted here. The proof that we need the guidance from pure devotees is that we are all reading Srila Prabhupada's books and letters, the exact same words, yet still disagreeing, arriving at different conclusions. If Srila Prabhupada were personally present, one could approach him, enquire submissively, and the whole matter would be resolved instantly. Bas. But since that is no longer possible, we must turn to other Sadhus, others who are more advanced than ourselves. To dismiss, criticize, and insult a pure devotee like Srila Narayana Maharaja simply because he doesn't endorse your ritvik stance is quite offensive for some of us to hear. Srila Narayana Maharaja didn't create a disturbance within Iskcon. That's the propaganda, but the facts are skewed. He remained at his Math for many years, and then gradually Iskcon devotees began approaching him. He didn't canvass, he didn't twist anyone's arm. The principle of accepting a siksa guru is there throughout Srila Prabhupada's books. If you choose not to accept him, fine. But please do not engage in such harsh criticism and Vaishnava ninda. If you are not inclined to have his sanga, then fine, remain far away. I have my opinions about various gurus as well as regular devotees, but I try to refrain from engaging in Vaishnava ninda. I believe there was already a topic discussed recently about how such criticisms and fault-finding will simply backfire and become a part of your being. Those "faults" which you perceive will become a part of you. If this forum is going to degenerate into open blasphemy of persons whom I regard as Saints, (even if I'm not personally receiving siksa from them at the moment), then I will leave this place for good. The ninda you are engaged in, based on lies, or at the very best, half-truths, is a sure destroyer of one's devotional creeper. Anyone who follows Srila Prabhupada should be most cautious about this mad-elephant offense, otherwise their goal of pleasing and attaining Srila Prabhupada will prove to be in vain, fruitless. I know you have your strong opinions, Guruvani. I think we all do to a certain extent. But please try to refrain from the type of blasphemy I just read from you in this thread, as well as others. Please don't become defensive and commit further offenses. Try to be a gentleman as well as a model disciple of Srila Prabhupada and speak honestly, and speak nicely. I agree with the others that the guest shouldn't have called you Osama, especially hiding as a guest. Still, I believe the offenses you are committing are far more severe and damaging (to anyone who reads them) than what the guest said. I've seen quite a few devotees leave as of late, including Raga. Some openly start a thread saying they are leaving this place. Others just quietly exit out the back door. This forum has potential for doing some good. But, the mad elephant offense will nullify that in a heartbeat. Please give this some serious consideration. I've read many of your posts, and I've seen you contradict yourself so many times, and flip-flop on your position again and again. I'm not into debating "ritvik", as this has been done ad infinitum over the years, and the arguments you give are nothing new. Neither is the blasphemy, which is so very typical of the ritvik camp. I have no interest in tit-for-tat debates with you on this matter. I like to check in here and read what people have to say from time to time, and mostly just observe. But, if this thread is a sign of things to come, if this is what it has come to, and if no one else seems to object, (apart from the guest, Bhaktavasya prabhu, and Theist), then I guess I will be unbookmarking this site in short order. All glories to Srila Prabhupada, all glories to Srila Sridhara Maharaja, all glories to Srila B.P. Puri Maharaja, all glories to Srila Narayana Maharaja, all glories to Srila Govinda Maharaja, all glories to Srila B.V. Puri Maharaja, all glories to Srila Tirtha Maharaja, and all glories to the humble Vaishnavas everywhere. The Sankirtan Movement is still in full swing, there are indeed pure devotees walking this Earth, spreading the holy name around. It's not all doom and gloom like the picture you seem to paint. Hare Krsna!

I will be interested to see if the water therapy frees you from the 3 or 4 migraines you get per month. But I guess we won't know for sure until another 3 weeks, provided you decide to stay on the program for that length of time. (No pressure, by the way.) I know what you mean about the shee-shee. I can see how it might be a major hindrance for someone doing strict bhajan in the mornings. You're right about the quality of water, that is very important as well. One of the links mentioned that most of the bottled water we get is basically just tap water which has been filtered somewhat. And of course, most tap water is recycled sewage water, straight from the sewage plant. I've been buying distilled water in gallon plastic jugs for years. I hope it's okay for the program, but I guess you never know anymore. mixy

Thanks for the links, Rocky prabhu. I guess I was doing a web-search at the same time you were. It was interesting to see how many sites out there that have basically the same information. I can attest that water works with heartburn, although fresh ginger root seems to work quicker. I will send these links to my Mom and see what she thinks. I tried drinking a large amount of water this morning and I did feel an increased sense of well-being. I might try it out for myself. Thanks again. mixy

A quick search for "USHA PAANA CHIKITSA" produced several links which provided basically the same info on water therapy. Here's one: http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Lwatertherapy.htm And another: http://www.karinya.com/waterhealing.htm I didn't see any answers regarding why one should drink before brushing teeth. I would also be curious to know if drinking lemon water would have the same effect, or if it must be pure water only.

Is there a website or a link somewhere where we can study this water therapy further? I believe I read where one poster (Krsnanatha?) said his Dad has cancer. My Mom has terminal cancer as well. Most people will not undergo such drastic measures unless they acquire some faith in them through reading about them, either in a book or a website. VsdPrasad prabhu, do you have a link that you can share with us so that we can study this further? It would help to answer some of our questions, as well as provide more in-depth information for those who wish to practice this seriously. I don't think my Mom would put much stock in this if I told her that I don't have any reading material to offer, only that I saw the idea mentioned on an internet bulletin board. Thanks for any further info or links you can provide. It does sound intriguing, to say the least. I would agree with the others that we are probably so dehydrated we don't even know it.

Dandavats Vaishnava prabhu, I am at work and don't have much time to write, but I was able to locate the posting you made which gave me the impression that you were opposed to Srila Narayana Maharaja and even considered him "offensive." So, I hope that you are able to understand why I reacted the way I did. Again, I was not at all trying to be "coy", simply that I didn't wish to debate the issue, as based upon past experience, most people already have their minds made up and the end result is usually further offenses. If you will re-read your posting below, you will see that I really had nothing to go on which would give me a clue that you were actually favorable towards Srila Narayana Maharaja. There was also another similar posting I found which you wrote, but I see no need to quote it here. March 27th Regardless, my apology still stands. Anadi prabhu is sincere, but many of the things he said are not at all representative of the mood of Srila Narayana Maharaja. Again, I hope you will take advantage of Srila Maharaja's association when he arrives in your area, and then you will be able to have all these doubts answered to your full satisfaction. I hope this meets you well and in the service of the Vaishnavas.

Dear Vaishnava das prabhu, Please accept my humble dandavat pranams, I apologize, I did not see your post here until just a short while ago and being that I am off to work shortly, I will not be able to reply to the extent that I would like. I can see from your post that you do have some connection with Srila Narayana Maharaja, some affinity for his books and his bhajanas. I was not aware of this, and I would therefore like to apologize for any offenses I may have committed to you. At the time I was advising Anadi prabhu to cease and desist from his voluminous postings of Srila Narayana Maaharaja's lectures on this discussion forum, I was not at all inclined to pick up where he left off and try to continue debating those topics, nor was I interested in trying to "convert" those who are opposed to Srila Narayana Maharaja and his teachings. "I see, so you have decided to be a little coy?" Not so much that, I just didn't want to get into a big long drawn-out back and forth argument, especially when your first reply to me asked me to show where in that thread you ever said anything critical of Srila Narayana Maharaja, despite the fact that I had clearly stated (in a paragraph which you quoted) that the critical remarks you had made were in the threads which Anadi prabhu had started, not in the "Gour Govinda vs Srila Narayana Maharaja" thread. "By not specifying what exactly you are talking about, it cannot be guaranteed that I know what you are referring to. No matter, for I think I have an idea. I assume it is because of some statements I made earlier this month?" Yes, I believe it was earlier in April, or perhaps sometime in March. "Though I would like to reveal the reason behind those supposedly disparaging comments that I made at an earlier date: I am sick and tired of hearing that "Srila Prabhupada didn't give the higher teaching of rasa so Narayana Maharaja is giving it," and other such similar statements. Please bear in mind that I have been scrutinising this issue ever since it first blew up in ISKCON around 1996 or thereabouts, so I would think that I am familiar with such statements of Narayana Maharaja-followers and also similar ones. Did it not occur to you that this is a serious minimisation of Srila Prabhupada's glories? People consider my statements offensive, but do they not consider the original offensive statement towards Srila Prabhupada?" I do understand your concern. Believe me, I have scrutinized every last one of the alleged accusations which have been made by Iskcon's leaders in their position papers, dating back to 1995. I am quite aware of the specific instance you are referring to, as this was used by Iskcon as supposed "proof" that Srila Narayana Maharaja was minimizing Srila Prabhupada. However, nothing could be further from the truth. I think the first step should be to not make hasty judgements against Srila Narayana Maharaja. I have seen him do nothing but glorify Srila Prabhupada, as well as serve him by caring for his disciples, most of whom had become a bit lax in their bhajana over the years since Srila Prabhupada's Disappearance but who have now felt renewed enthusiasm. Srila Narayana Maharaja has never said that he is giving something "higher" than what Srila Prabhupada gave. Proof of this is in his teachings on Srila Prabhupada's Caitanya Caritamrta, in which it has been established that Lord Chaitanya appears once in every kalpa to give what no other Avatar has given. In all the other Kali-yugas, an Avatar appears, an incarnation of Maha-Vishnu, and even the Gita is preached, but only once in a cycle of 1000 kali-yugas does Lord Caitanya appear. Lord Caitanya appears and gives the highest thing possible, which is manjari bhava. Being that Srila Prabhupada is coming in the line of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, he has also come to give the same thing. I don't have a transcript of that lecture handy at the moment, but I believe the gist of it was that Srila Narayana Maharaja was glorifying Srila Prabhupada, (I believe this was at Prabhupada's Mahotsava in 1995), and was trying to convince many of the Iskcon devotees who had gathered there that Srila Prabhupada was not an ordinary Acaraya, nor had he come merely to preach the Gita, being that the Gita is also preached in other Kali Yugas. He said that Srila Prabhupada came to give what Lord Caitanya and the 6 Goswamis came to give, otherwise if he hadn't come for that purpose, he would be a servant of MahaVisnu (who appears in the other Kali Yugas.) There were some Iskcon people there who were looking for a reason to criticize Srila Narayana Maharaja, and they felt that they had found it in that statement. They took it out of it's intended context and began quoting Srila Narayana Majaraja as having said: "Srila Prabhupada was only a servant of Maha-Visnu", when in fact, although he did say that, he said it rhetorically, in the context that Srila Prabhupada was in the line of Lord Caitanya and the 6 Goswamis of Vrndavana. Srila Narayana Maharaja has said on numerous occassions that if Srila Prabhupada were still here, he would still be translating books; books like Jaiva Dharma, Brhad-Bhagavatamrita, Madhurya Kandambini, Vilap Kusumanjali, and many others. Spiritual life is dynamic, not static, and surely Srila Prabhupada would, after seeing his disciples advance over a period of 20, 25 or 30 years, be encouraging us to enter into Raganuga Bhajana. In fact, Srila Prabhupada's books contain numerous instructions to this effect, which is why many times Srila Narayana Maharaja has stated that "everything is contained in Swamaji's books." There is a very nice booklet written by Jnana das called "Sum and Substance" which addresses this issue. Unfortunately, I could not find it online. However, if you are going to be attending the Festival when Srila Narayana Maharaja comes to England, I am sure that there will be reprints of this booklet available. Srila Narayana Maharaja is giving the exact same thing as Srila Prabhupada. The only difference, I suppose, is that as the disciples' shraddha matures, the Guru can spend more time pushing the disciple forward, and not having to remain stuck preaching introductory topics such as "you are not this body", "Krsna is God", "We are His parts and parcels", and so on. If we are to eventually enter into raganuga bhajana, then at some point we must begin to read and hear instructions and pastimes which will inspire us to attain our goal. Prabhu, if you are planning to attend this Festival, I am sure that the devotees there could give far better and more thorough explanations than what I have given here. I hope this helps somewhat, and again, I apologize for jumping to the conclusion that you are an offender. Clearly, anyone who feels some rapture upon hearing Srila Maharaja sing "Radha Krsna Prana Mora" is not an offender, but a great soul. I offer my humble prostrated dandavat pranams at your feet and beg for forgiveness. I read your criticism, but was unable to see that it was more a doubt, a question, rather than a final judgement, for which I apologize.

"Please don't use Srila Prabhupada's name." Please give me a good reason why you have made such an outrageous request. Srila Prabhupada is my Gurudeva. I was personally initiated by him. I believe I have every right to utter his name. Why are you singling me out not to use his name while others are allowed to do so? You obviously have an agenda of some sort, and it appears that it is aligned with Shiva's, why else would you speak such nonsense? And pray tell, how long will this madness continue? "From where you got the idea that Shiva is trying to represent Srila Prabhupada. Are you mad?" I don't think so. Are you? If he's not trying to represent Srila Prabhupada, (via the GBC and their position papers against Srila Narayana Maharaja), then I can only speculate. The vast majority of devotees who speak like Shiva are those who have been brainwashed by reading the GBC's propaganda papers. On the other hand, I have seen Shiva quote from Tripurari Maharaja before, but I *REFUSE* to believe that he is representing Maharaja, as I respect the Maharaja. If you are in the know on these matters, perhaps you could enlighten us? That would be far more helpful to this discussion rather than playing guessing games, don't you think? Will you be so kind as to enlighten us? Or do you simply wish to take wild, absurd potshots as an anonymous guest sniper?

As it should be obvious from the quote in your post wherein I said to Anadi prabhu: "If you have any doubts, please show the threads you have initiated here, all of them, along with the offensive replies by Shiva, Vaishnava108 das and others, to the senior devotees such as Vrajanatha prabhu and others....", I was talking about other threads, threads which Anadi prabhu started, not this particular thread. I would rather not repeat the offensive statement you made in one of those threads, if that's okay. Besides, given your attitude towards Srila Nayarana Maharaja, I am sure that you would not consider it offensive anyway, hence I see no real need to debate the issue. If you want to play innocent, that's fine, you can have the last word.

As I talked to Sripad Aranya Maharaja this year in Germany he told me I can post here, and there is no need to defeat somebody's evil comments. Well, I wonder what he would say if he actually read these threads which you have started and are renewing on a daily basis. Blasphemy and offenses should never be tolerated. I have seen you ask others to apologize for their offenses, but they refuse to do so. You know full well that we should not stay in that place where offenses are being committed. Nor should we preach in such a way that we inspire others to commit offenses. As I mentioned, who would want to read the hari-katha you are posting if after every post someone is following along like Dvivida Gorilla and passing urine. That spoils everything. All of these lectures are online, perhaps you can provide links so that those who are interested may read them without being interrupted by a constant barrage of offenses. Should I email these threads to Sripad Aranya Maharaja so that he can see for himself what you are doing here? These topics may seem "basic" to you, but clearly they are not basic to many of the other readers here, as evidenced by the controversy and the ninda against Srila Narayana Maharaja. Do you think Sripad Aranya Maharaja would approve of all this ninda on a public internet forum such as this? I doubt that you have properly represented to Maharaja just exactly what it is that you are doing here. Show him the threads, along with the replies you've been getting, then see what he says. Okay? Thankyou. Dandavat pranams.

I don't preach to them, I preach to myself. I am not at all attached to any outer results. Prabhu, you should be *very* concerned when people are committing serious offenses on a daily basis due to your preaching. You should NOT be detached when people speak ill of a great Acarya, especially your own Gurudeva. Since you are unable to stop this steady flow of offenses by defeating your opponents in debate, the only solution is to stop renewing these discussions altogether. Most of of the topics you are discussing here are not suitable for this type of environment. You should not preach to those who are faithless, as that is an offense to the holy name, what to speak of a pure Vaishnava who happens to be your own Guru. You are not attached??? I suspect it will be nearly impossible for you to stop this sort of preaching, just as it was for Satyaraja. Even his own Godsister, Badra dasi from Australia strongly chastised him a couple of years ago on the VNN forums and even mentioned that Jadurani dasi did not approve of such preaching of higher topics on these types of discussion boards. Still, he could not follow the advice of his Godsister and as a result, his "preaching" finally came to a halt of it's own accord when he was banned. I doubt that you will be banned, being that you are a gentleman. That is all the more reason why it is important that you consider these things carefully. If you have any doubts, please show the threads you have initiated here, all of them, along with the offensive replies by Shiva, Vaishnava108 das and others, to the senior devotees such as Vrajanatha prabhu and others, and then let them decide whether it is good that you are instigating so much controversy and the ensuing offenses being spewed forth by those who are brainwashed by the GBC. Thankyou and dandavat pranams.