sanatana

Tell me if Krishna and me are simultaneously one and yet different is true. If yes, then why am I poor materially? Krishna is rich. He owns everything! If Krishna and me are one, why can`t I be rich like Him? Why did Krishna favor Bill Gates the billionaire instead of me? Bill Gates doesn`t chant Hare Krishna. Because if he did, he should have shared his wealth to the Hare Krishna foundation and aid those Hare Krishna devotees. You see, I need to buy medicines for my ailing body. I want to live longer so I can spread Krishna consciousness to everyone. I just can`t understand this teaching of Lord Chaitanya that Krishna and me are simultaneously one and yet are different.

Is Krishna the God you`re referring to in that verse?

Lord Chaitanya said, " Your constitutional position is that you are pure living soul. This material body can`t be identified with your real self: nor is your mind your real identity, nor your intelligence, nor false ego. Your identity is that of eternal servitor of the Supreme Lord Krishna. Since you are between matter and spirit, your position is marginal. Belonging to the marginal potency of Krishna, you are simultaneously one with and different from Krishna. Because you are spirit, Krishna and you are no different. Because you are only a minute particle of Krishna, you differ from Him." ( Teachings of Lord Chaitanya , Chapter III, page 55 ) Can anyone in this forum explain to me this teaching of Lord Chaitanya to Sanatana Goswami? I want to be enlightened, please...

But don`t ever forget to chant the Hare Krishna maha-mantra when you have only a minute to live!

If we have nothing to give? A devotee offers you a book say, The Teachings of Lord Chaitanya? We refuse to accept the book and go away. The distributor of the book feels saddened and reflects," How sad it was for this man if only he had the money to give, he would have gotten this book. What if I gave it instead?" How glorious it would be if billionaires say, Bill Gates, would give or buy all the books Swami Prabhupad has written. And distribute them to all those uninformed souls!

Mission: Krishna Consciousness

We have so many consciousness after death. A self realized soul is not bothered at all when he dies. The Supreme Lord who is always with him selects a particular consciousness(soul) that is appropriate for his next mission in life.

Dear Krsnaraja and Babhru das, You two are correct in some way. There are two Vijayanagaras one in West Bengal where Lord Chaitanya was said to have been born and the other located in Southern India where Krsnaraja reigned. But in an amazing way, both great personalities have met in one time of their great lives. And during that meeting(Madana) Krsnaraja and Lord Chaitanya discussed the pastimes of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Sri Govindaraja Krsna. That exchange(lila) was I believe akin to Madhurasa, the exchange of intense feeling of love between two lovers or friends. After having relished that Bhava Prema Bhakti, no one could anymore distinguish one from the other whether one was Krsnaraja or Chaitanya. Thus when both bade goodbye to each other, the intense feeling of separation manifested within them which we know as Mohana. The principle of Madana-Mohana in nuclear terms can be exemplified as fusion and fission, both reactions capable of releasing amounts of energy- which if harnessed can in fact give the universe an unlimited source of light! Krsnaraja became Chaitanya and Chaitanya became Krsnaraja, a reaction which illuminated the darkness of the material world bringing light to all who were in the mode of ignorance. Krsnaraja, the ruler of Vijayanagara became a success because of Chaitanya and Chaitanya succeeded in his Krsna Kirtana because of Krsnaraja. Both of you therefore( Babhru das and Krsnaraja) should not quarrel over a very minor issue. Neither should you call each other names which could be very unpleasant to hear. In other words,Krsnaraja and Lord Chaitanya are simultaneously one yet very much different from the other and yet both were great devotees of the Supreme Lord Vasudeva. Om Namo Bhagavate Vausdevaya! I remain, Sanatana

DEar Krsnaraja, Happy Easter Sunday to you and the rest of the reactors in this thread. Thank you for moderating this thread while I was away observing the passion and resurrecion of Saktyavesa Avatar Jesus Christ throughout the world. May you have peace and love to all mankind. I hope you can stop wars from happening by fighting them with love, peace and compassion. May you therefore take up the image of the God of Love Himself, Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. Peace be with you, Your friend, Sanatana

Yes, Anadi Prabhu, you are correct! We all came from Srimati Radharani. Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, who is Lord Krsna in fact incarnated to this world 500 yrs. ago for the very reason that God wanted to know more about His internal pleasure potency, Radha. Srila Chaitanya Mahaprabhu who is God Himself is the embodiment of Radha-Krsna. Radha-Krsna therefore is Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. Since we are a creation of Srimati Radharani then we are Lord Krsna`s internal pleasure potency of which He wants to play and enjoy with. For Lord Krsna to understand us, He came forth to this world as Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. We must therefore worship Srimati Radharani so She could give us the opportunity to embrace and dance with Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu by becoming a pure-devotee of Lord Krsna. Hare Krsna ----------

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All Glories to Lord Gauranga Nitai! In other words, my dear Anadi Prabhu, we are one as the eternal servant of Radha-Krsna, yet we are different in our principles in life, in the way we worship God, in the culture we belong, etc. But even if we differ yet we are brothers in Krsna. If you and I were Christians, we are brothers in Christ. Or if you were Hindu and I a Muslim, still, we are brothers of a Universal God, Bathala Krsna. Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, Muslims, etc. It won`t matter provided we follow Lord Chaitanya`s philosophy of Simultaneously One yet Different. That is the only way we can achieve long lasting peace in this age of Kali and that is to consider each human being as our brother or sister belonging to one merciful and compassionate God( Krsna-Allah-Buddha-Swamijesus). Hare Krsna ------------

Sanatana is a user name taken from the namesake of Sanatana Goswami, a pure devotee of Lord Krsna. Sanatana is also a username taken from the namesake of Sanatana Kumara, one of the four Kumara brothers; namely, Sanandana, Sanat-Kumara, and the other one I forgot( Lord Krsna is the cause of our forgetfullness and intelligence). Sanatana is a sanskrit name described in English as "That Which is Eternal." Thus, we either mean Sanatana described as "the eternal servitor of Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu" or Sanatana whom we considered as a Mahajana, a disciple of Lord Krsna. There are twelve Mahajanas described in the mantra" syambhuva narada sambhu dhruva kapila manu prahlada bhismo janaka balir vyasakir " and one of them is Sanatana Kumara and the three Kumaras. Sanatana which is described as the " eternal servitor of Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu" very much differ from Sanatana Kumara which is described as " one of the twelve disciples of Lord Krsna." Although both in comparison differs yet they are simultaneously one.Why? Because Sanatana Goswami and Sanatana Kumara are pure devotees of the Supreme Personality of Godhead Vasudeva. Lord Vasudeva is the father of Lord Krsna yet both Lord Vasudeva and Lord Krsna are One. Pure devotees who hear the name " Lord Vasudeva " always link " the father of Lord Krsna" to no other than Krsna Himself. In other words, the names Sanatana Goswami and Sanatana Kumara mean only one thing to the Supreme Lord Gauranga Nitai and that is both are eternal servitors of Lord Krsna. And yet both have different roles in life. The examples I have therefore given also refers to all the pure devotees of Lord Krsna to mean that they are all eternal servitors of His Divine Grace yet they all differ according to the nature of their devotional service described in sanskrit as Bhakti-Yoga. If you can understand this philosophy presented by Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu described as ACINTYA-BHEDA-BHEDA-TATTVA or " Simultaneously One yet Different " then you are now on your way in returning home, Back to Godhead.

Dear Babhru das and Melvin, No, it`s not offensive to me if your username in this forum is "stonehearted". That also goes for you Melvin if you don`t like anymore "krsnaraja" as your bonafide spiritual name. If you are comfortable with these names, "stonehearted", " krsnaraja" so be it. It wont matter really to the Supreme Lord Vasudeva-Krsna if you want to use your legal name or not. In fact, Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu knows who we truly are and what our names should have been. The names that describe us are the results of either good or bad karma. Thus if you want to use your bonafide spiritual names but hesitate to do so because you feel comfortable with your legal or pen names is not the way to going home, Back to Godhead or Krishna consciousness. You must use therefore your spiritual names given to you by your respective spiritual masters. Take the case of a book salesman. A book salesman will be having a hard time selling the books he is tasked to undertake if his name does not match with the name of the agency which was authorized to sell these particular books. In other words, how could you sell Srila Prabhupad`s books if you who are endorsing Swami`s books, have names like " Melvin" or " Stonehearted"? If you want to sell Srila Prabhupad`s books you must have names that represent Krsna`s books, say, Stonehearted Babhru das or Krsnaraja Melvin, or you could shorten them to S.Babhru das/M.Krsnaraja. That`s my point. If you want that His Divine Grace`s books will sell, you-Krsnaraja Melvin/Babhru das, who represent Srila Prabhupad should use your bonafide spiritual names. That`s what I meant to the words, " re-spiritualizing one`s names " as a requirement for going home, Back to Godhead. Till me next post. All glories to Radha-Krsna, Sanatana

Dear Stonehearted Prabhu, please permit me to say a few words about my impression on you.Since I have not seen you nor talk with you personally through the e-mail or in some other form of communications, consider not my two cents worth of unsolicited advice an offense against your person and whom the name of God I quote. You see, the very first step in returning home, back to Godhead is re-spiritualizing one`s name. If your name is actually " Stone " then why not re-spiritualize your sweet name to that of, say, " Kaustubha." Kaustubha is a description given to the "Gem" adoringly embedded on the golden necklace worn by Lord Krsna. Once you have thought of using Kaustubha as your new spiritual name, then the second step would be to desire always to be on Lord Krsna`s chest. The Supreme Lord Hari Krishna doesn`t become very beautiful because of you being on His chest, but you as: Kaustubha Prabhu- becoming more beautiful for being situated on that part of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krsna-Govindaraja. Third step is not becoming forgetful to always render devotional service unto the Supreme Lord`s Sri Krishna Kirtana movement. If you, in other words, complete each step, I assure you that you will go home, back to Godhead without a doubt. May Radha-Krsna be with you, Sanatana