Can Humanity ever come together ?

October 13, 2000

To my posting "A guide to posting", I got a variety of responses and

opposing views(see below).

I found this intersting.

What is the Significance of such variety ?

Can Humnaity ever come together ?

jb.

PS. the 'guide' was sent essentially as a joke. And yet, it seems to

me that the communication problem is rather serious. If we cannot

find true communication, how can we expect that the Palestinians and

the Israelis will ? They might come to an 'agreement', but it will be

fed by reciprocal fear.

RESPONSES --------------------------------

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A Guide to Posting, A Guide to Living!

That's a great guide, to lists, to life too! Thanks!

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>

> 5. Do not defend stupid posts only because they are your own.

>

I get it!! I should defend them only because they are stupid, with no

attachment to them at all, right??

Seriously, thanks for this good list of reminders. I love #12. You

might add another:

13. Don't from a moderated group in a fit of anger, and

then

again. It just makes more work for the moderator.

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Thanks for that list. Especially No. 12 - I loved it –

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I am sending this back to the person who sent this. Have you

misunderstood your own posting?? This message could have been

offensive?!

Here is a post tip! Post the things you feel,think,disagree,and

agree about! Nothing should offend anyone because we are all

different. Meaning we think and feel differently and that should

most deffinately be accepted! We should all have the understanding

that the way a person feels or thinks is never wrong. Having

kindness for all people is the best way to apply yourself but it

should not keep you from speaking your mind in fear of offending

someone!

XYZ

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XYZ, you sent this to the whole list, not just the person who sent it.

It was a joke, no need to take offence. I have been around

mailing lists long enough to see the humour in this. It is

best to just delete posts which don't appeal to us.

"You add suffering to the world just as much when you

take offence as when you give offence". -Ken Keyes

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13. Ignore guidelines 1 - 12.

14. Speak from the heart.

15. Wonder: what is the "heart"?

16. =)

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Posting by Dummy

You did it again, jb. Living proof you are

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Dear JB,

Thanks for the guide.

Problem is that ppl. who need to know about this list have not read

it yet,

and even if you try to send it their way they do not receive it.

There must

be a special gremlin for that.

Or when they receive it they think it applies to the other party.

And ppl. who need a hint don't ever get it, do they?

A big part of the 'reclamation of the unattached, free, unconditional

and

fully loving and compassionate self' is that one has to go through

all those

things anyway. Before the chicklet exits the egg it has to break out

of it,

and it 'chickles' out of it all foolish, wettish and fumbled.

So actually, I welcome ppl. who are daring enough to be stupid and

dumb,

offending the guidelines. It seems that they have to work through

each one

of them before they finally get it. It is like a steeple chase, but

they

knock over every obstacle in their way and get to the finish line

nevertheless even after they themselves stumble over their own feet.

If I

would have prevented myself from trespassing any one of those

wonderful

guidelines, I would in fact not be what I am now. Gosh, who knows

that I am

now actually still trespassing... actually I know, and I will

trespass...

Every person who trespasses actually knows somewhere in themselves

that they

do trespass... but they allow it to happen because they can not even

prevent

if from happening.

Love the flamed and the flamers.

We go through spells here on this list. Has to do with the planets or

something, full moon, solar flares, solstices, etc.

This list is very good though in handling them...

I think we fail when we lose a dummy in the end..., but luckily they

often

come back like a nicely groomed chicklet or cocklet...

When we get the next dummy I would definitely not send him or her this

posting guide, only at the very end of the struggle, when we are all

on the

ground gasping, with our tongues flubbeling for something cool to

drink,

might we send it... but then it is not needed anymore.

If you get to clean the can, you may expect shit to fly around...

_________________

October 13, 2000

Whenever there are two people coming together, there is the potential

of a disagreement. Humanity coming together - Utopia.

J B [JB789 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com]Sent:

Friday, October 13, 2000 7:59 AMTo:

Subject: Can Humanity ever

come together ?To my posting "A guide to posting", I got a variety of

responses and opposing views(see below). I found this intersting.What

is the Significance of such variety ?Can Humnaity ever come together

?jb.PS. the 'guide' was sent essentially as a joke. And yet, it seems

to me that the communication problem is rather serious. If we cannot

find true communication, how can we expect that the Palestinians and

the Israelis will ? They might come to an 'agreement', but it will be

fed by reciprocal fear.RESPONSES

-----A

Guide to Posting, A Guide to Living!That's a great guide, to lists, to

life too! Thanks!-------------------------> > 5. Do not defend stupid

posts only because they are your own.> I get it!! I should defend them

only because they are stupid, with noattachment to them at all,

right??Seriously, thanks for this good list of reminders. I love #12.

Youmight add another:13. Don't from a moderated group in a

fit of anger, and then again. It just makes more work for the

moderator.--------------------------Thanks for that list. Especially

No. 12 - I loved it –--------------------------I am sending this back

to the person who sent this. Have you misunderstood your own

posting?? This message could have been offensive?! Here is a post

tip! Post the things you feel,think,disagree,and agree about!

Nothing should offend anyone because we are all different. Meaning

we think and feel differently and that should most deffinately be

accepted! We should all have the understanding that the way a

person feels or thinks is never wrong. Having kindness for all

people is the best way to apply yourself but it should not keep you

from speaking your mind in fear of offending someone!XYZ

-----------------------------XYZ, you sent this to the whole list,

not just the person who sent it.It was a joke, no need to take

offence. I have been aroundmailing lists long enough to see the

humour in this. It isbest to just delete posts which don't appeal to

us."You add suffering to the world just as much when youtake offence

as when you give offence". -Ken

Keyes-------------------------------13. Ignore guidelines 1 - 12. 14.

Speak from the heart. 15. Wonder: what is the "heart"? 16. =)

-------------------------------Posting

by DummyYou did it again, jb. Living proof you

are--------------------------------Dear

JB,Thanks for the guide.Problem is that ppl. who need to know about

this list have not read it yet,and even if you try to send it their

way they do not receive it. There mustbe a special gremlin for

that.Or when they receive it they think it applies to the other

party.And ppl. who need a hint don't ever get it, do they?A big part

of the 'reclamation of the unattached, free, unconditional andfully

loving and compassionate self' is that one has to go through all

thosethings anyway. Before the chicklet exits the egg it has to break

out of it,and it 'chickles' out of it all foolish, wettish and

fumbled.So actually, I welcome ppl. who are daring enough to be

stupid and dumb,offending the guidelines. It seems that they have to

work through each oneof them before they finally get it. It is like a

steeple chase, but theyknock over every obstacle in their way and get

to the finish linenevertheless even after they themselves stumble

over their own feet. If Iwould have prevented myself from trespassing

any one of those wonderfulguidelines, I would in fact not be what I am

now. Gosh, who knows that I amnow actually still trespassing...

actually I know, and I will trespass...Every person who trespasses

actually knows somewhere in themselves that theydo trespass... but

they allow it to happen because they can not even preventif from

happening.Love the flamed and the flamers.We go through spells here

on this list. Has to do with the planets orsomething, full moon,

solar flares, solstices, etc.This list is very good though in

handling them...I think we fail when we lose a dummy in the end...,

but luckily they oftencome back like a nicely groomed chicklet or

cocklet...When we get the next dummy I would definitely not send him

or her thisposting guide, only at the very end of the struggle, when

we are all on theground gasping, with our tongues flubbeling for

something cool to drink,might we send it... but then it is not needed

anymore.If you get to clean the can, you may expect shit to fly

around..._________________

// All paths

go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and

subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not

different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of

the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always

Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart

to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the

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October 13, 2000

On 10/13/00 at 4:13 PM Skyeryder wrote:

Whenever there are two people coming together, there is the potential

of a disagreement. Humanity coming together - Utopia.

Agreeing to disagree is possible without any damage, it is possible

with a laugh which leaves the door to learning opened. In practice,

differences can be resolved by finding a consensus or a few tests

(experiments on a small scale) that will ease finding it. From the

bright side, what could be more boring then always being right?

Love,

Jan