Guest guest Posted October 17, 2000 Report Share Posted October 17, 2000 Namaste All, I along with others became emotionally involved in the scenes in Palestine. However these scenes and worse are repeated all around the world. The entire world is really like that to a lessor or greater extent. In the end result we can only change ourselves, the best way to help the world is to realise oneself. The tree of karma cannot be pruned only cut at the roots. At times like this our own progress is shown to us, and in most cases is wanting. We sometimes think we are doing so well and then up come the old samskaras with something else to attach to. The movement of the conscious and mind can be strongly associated with the body, in a flash as long as the samskaras are still there. It is a case of neti neti not this not this, and Who am I? We do not identify with the animals killing each other or dogs worrying sheep, do we. No for we don't have attachment to their bodies. We give our bodies names, and dress them up like Barbie and Ken dolls, and this projects outwards to all the other bodies around. Am I a nationality or a religion? of course not. It is a trick of the mind and even that can be destabilised by emotional responses. Just some thoughts. Om Namah Sivaya Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2000 Report Share Posted October 18, 2000 Hi Tony, everyone, I've been resubbed a few weeks ago, and I've been lurking since; not managed to read everything... it's nice to see all the posts from the people I remember from last time I was here, and there's some new faces as well... (Mace, I love your poetry!) Tony, you wrote: > It is a case of neti neti not this not this, and Who am I? We do not > identify with the animals killing each other or dogs worrying sheep, > do we. No for we don't have attachment to their bodies. Which is kind of interesting, cos I *do* identify with them... I don't even like to see trees damaged, I'm sure it must hurt them in some way, perhaps they don't feel the pain in the same way that we do but I'm sure they do feel it. Is there an opposite to neti, neti.. this, and that, and everything else too? Of course, on a spiritual level I'm not sure what this means... probably that I'll be here for a few more lifetimes! <g> I go for weeks trying not to think about non-duality because it makes my head spin if I'm not *very* careful, but I always find myself coming back to it. Oh, well... Gill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2000 Report Share Posted October 18, 2000 Namast Gill, Of course you are right, I think of the animals and trees also, but it doesn't make news on the T.V. I suppose that is what I mean. People generally don't get upset about slaughter houses, or even dogs killing sheep, because they don't identify with them as being the same species. I am a vegetarian and resist this stuff, but I was talking more generally. Om Namah Sivaya Tony. , "Gill Collingwood" <gill@n...> wrote: > Hi Tony, everyone, > > I've been resubbed a few weeks ago, and I've been lurking since; > not managed to read everything... it's nice to see all the posts from > the people I remember from last time I was here, and there's some > new faces as well... (Mace, I love your poetry!) > > Tony, you wrote: > > > It is a case of neti neti not this not this, and Who am I? We do not > > identify with the animals killing each other or dogs worrying sheep, > > do we. No for we don't have attachment to their bodies. > > Which is kind of interesting, cos I *do* identify with them... I don't > even like to see trees damaged, I'm sure it must hurt them in some > way, perhaps they don't feel the pain in the same way that we do > but I'm sure they do feel it. Is there an opposite to neti, neti.. this, > and that, and everything else too? > > Of course, on a spiritual level I'm not sure what this means... > probably that I'll be here for a few more lifetimes! <g> > > I go for weeks trying not to think about non-duality because it > makes my head spin if I'm not *very* careful, but I always find > myself coming back to it. Oh, well... > > Gill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2000 Report Share Posted October 18, 2000 Hi Tony, I see what you mean. I've always found it interesting that people will have sympathy for those animals that they see as 'cute'. Being mostly vegetarian myself, now and then I like to wind meat-eaters up by asking them why they're prepared to eat cows but not cats... and pointing out how cute little lambs are. I don't do it very often, it is slightly malicious... I think with things like dogs killing sheep, perhaps we don't feel so responsible; it would happen even if there were no human beings on the planet (well, it would be wolves rather than dogs, but I think you get my point). If it's other human beings hurting each other, not only do we emapthise with the victims, but there's a feeling of horror, and perhaps shame or guilt, because the aggressor is human too. And I think that's where the idea of evil comes from, because it's much easier to believe in some outside force that makes people do such things, rather than that it's something that say you or I could do... hope you don't mind me hijaking this thread like this -- I seem to be going off at a tangent! Gill > Namast Gill, > > Of course you are right, I think of the animals and trees also, but > it doesn't make news on the T.V. I suppose that is what I mean. > People > generally don't get upset about slaughter houses, or even dogs > killing > sheep, because they don't identify with them as being the same > species. I am a vegetarian and resist this stuff, but I was talking > more generally. > > Om Namah Sivaya Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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