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Namast All,

 

I can only talk of my own experience.

I notice that in the latest trouble spots, my samskaras came up.

Because of my Irish background, it seems I have a rather sensitive

reaction to oppression, or perceived bullying. This was a case of

measuring my feelings about one situation and lining them up with

another, using the same tendencies or samskaras.

 

These samskaras or others may even have been lying latent, however

they are there with all the others, ready to rise and bite you. If

these samskaras are not risen above then realisation is not possible

for they are the anchors that keep us in the cycle of rebirth.

 

Some samskaras, like some karmas, may be described as good rather

than

bad. Such as altruism, helping people, doing the right thing etc.

They

may be golden chains but they still bind. Even a trace of thought

binds.

 

It is a task to realise that we are not really these samskaras, for

these are what take rebirth and cause the new person.

 

Just my thoughts about what is in my mind right now. Who am I?

 

Om Namah Sivaya Tony.

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Much of our daily behavior is conditioned by forces below the conscious

level. In Sanskrit these forces are called samskaras. They are a

conditioned, automatic way of thinking and responding to events around us.

Samskaras ultimately dictate much of our behavior. Many years ago I

discovered a short poem. I do not remember its author. The title is “MY

ROBOT,” and it goes like this:

I have a little robot that goes around with me.

I tell him what I’m thinking, I tell him what I see.

I tell my little robot all my hopes and fears,

It listens and remembers all my joys and tears.

At first my little robot followed my command,

Bu after years of training it’s gotten out of hand.

It doesn’t care what’s right or wrong or what is false or true.

No matter what I try, now it tells me what to do.

I call my robot Sam Karas… What’s yours?

 

Love, Robert

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Hi Robert,

 

Cute poem, and a nice explanation... so samskaras is another way

of saying the unconscious or subconscious? Or are there some

subtle differences?

 

gill

>

> Much of our daily behavior is conditioned by forces below the conscious

> level. In Sanskrit these forces are called samskaras. They are a

> conditioned, automatic way of thinking and responding to events around us.

> Samskaras ultimately dictate much of our behavior. Many years ago I

> discovered a short poem. I do not remember its author. The title is MY

> ROBOT, and it goes like this:

> I have a little robot that goes around with me.

> I tell him what Im thinking, I tell him what I see.

> I tell my little robot all my hopes and fears,

> It listens and remembers all my joys and tears.

> At first my little robot followed my command,

> Bu after years of training its gotten out of hand.

> It doesnt care whats right or wrong or what is false or true.

> No matter what I try, now it tells me what to do.

> I call my robot Sam Karas Whats yours?

>

> Love, Robert

>

>

>

>

>

> //

>

> All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all

experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of

Awareness. Like waves rising

are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the

nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home.

Home is where the Hear

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Hello Gill:

I think there is a difference as the samskaras connect with chakras,

subtle body, aura etc. Samskaras are associated with the 3 types of

karma and will carry forward from one lifetime to the next. They are

beyond the mind and emotions though they will work themselves out

through the mind/ego function. Until one is fully realized and

beyond the actual elements one will still be open to karmas and

samskaras. Free will can always be called upon to help one decide

how to react to their action.

Linda

Hi Robert,Cute poem, and a nice explanation... so samskaras is another

way of saying the unconscious or subconscious? Or are there some

subtle differences?gill> > Much of our daily behavior is conditioned

by forces below the conscious> level. In Sanskrit these forces are

called samskaras. They are a> conditioned, automatic way of thinking

and responding to events around us.> Samskaras ultimately dictate

much of our behavior. Many years ago I> discovered a short poem. I do

not remember its author. The title is MY> ROBOT, and it goes like

this:> I have a little robot that goes around with me.> I tell him

what Im thinking, I tell him what I see.> I tell my little robot all

my hopes and fears,> It listens and remembers all my joys and tears.>

At first my little robot followed my command,> Bu after years of

training its gotten out of hand.> It doesnt care whats right or wrong

or what is false or true.> No matter what I try, now it tells me what

to do.> I call my robot Sam Karas Whats yours?> > Love, Robert> > > >

> > // > > All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves risingare not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

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// All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

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Gill...

Unconscious or subconscious works for me as samskaras. However, I

do come from a western viewpoint trying to interpret Sanskrit

terms/concepts. Hopefully, some one on this wonderful list can

confirm or correct.

Robert

Gill Collingwood

[gill (AT) nimbus (DOT) demon.co.uk]Wednesday, October 18, 2000

3:29 PM Subject: RE:

Samskaras and how they operate.Hi Robert,Cute poem, and a nice

explanation... so samskaras is another way of saying the unconscious

or subconscious? Or are there some subtle differences?gill> > Much of

our daily behavior is conditioned by forces below the conscious>

level. In Sanskrit these forces are called samskaras. They are a>

conditioned, automatic way of thinking and responding to events

around us.> Samskaras ultimately dictate much of our behavior. Many

years ago I> discovered a short poem. I do not remember its author.

The title is MY> ROBOT, and it goes like this:> I have a little robot

that goes around with me.> I tell him what Im thinking, I tell him

what I see.> I tell my little robot all my hopes and fears,> It

listens and remembers all my joys and tears.> At first my little

robot followed my command,> Bu after years of training its gotten out

of hand.> It doesnt care whats right or wrong or what is false or

true.> No matter what I try, now it tells me what to do.> I call my

robot Sam Karas Whats yours?> > Love, Robert> > > > > >

// > > All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves risingare not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

Welcome all to a.> > To from this list, go

to the ONElist web site, at> www., and

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between digest and normal mode.> > > >

// All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

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Namaste All,

 

Samskaras at the sub conscious level are mostly acquired in this

lifetime, through conditioning etc. I can go along with that. However

there are samskaras in the mind that are impressions from previous

lifetimes. These include characteristics, talents, desires and

attachments etc. These are actually what cause rebirth in the first

place. They are beyond the reach of psychologists usually, because

they travel with the vijnanamayakosa and anandamayakosa at death.

They

can be recogised in uncontrollable impulses like in sexual predators

etc.

 

There is no realisation until they are risen above and left to the

mind to which we really don't belong. Hence Ramana programming them

out of some dying people.

 

ONS Tony.

 

 

, "Skyeryder" <Skyeryder@e...> wrote:

> Gill...

>

> Unconscious or subconscious works for me as samskaras. However,

I do

> come from a western viewpoint trying to interpret Sanskrit

terms/concepts.

> Hopefully, some one on this wonderful list can confirm or correct.

>

> Robert

>

> Gill Collingwood [gill@n...]

> Wednesday, October 18, 2000 3:29 PM

>

> RE: Samskaras and how they operate.

>

>

> Hi Robert,

>

> Cute poem, and a nice explanation... so samskaras is another way

> of saying the unconscious or subconscious? Or are there some

> subtle differences?

>

> gill

>

> >

> > Much of our daily behavior is conditioned by forces below the

conscious

> > level. In Sanskrit these forces are called samskaras. They are a

> > conditioned, automatic way of thinking and responding to events

around

> us.

> > Samskaras ultimately dictate much of our behavior. Many years

ago I

> > discovered a short poem. I do not remember its author. The

title

is MY

> > ROBOT, and it goes like this:

> > I have a little robot that goes around with me.

> > I tell him what Im thinking, I tell him what I see.

> > I tell my little robot all my hopes and fears,

> > It listens and remembers all my joys and tears.

> > At first my little robot followed my command,

> > Bu after years of training its gotten out of hand.

> > It doesnt care whats right or wrong or what is false or true.

> > No matter what I try, now it tells me what to do.

> > I call my robot Sam Karas Whats yours?

> >

> > Love, Robert

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > //

> >

> > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places,

sights,

> perceptions, and indeed all

> experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the

Space of

> Awareness. Like waves rising

> are not different than the ocean, all things arising from

Awareness are of

> the nature of

> Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present.

It is

> Home. Home is where the Hear

> t Is. Jna

> nis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true

devotee

> relishes in the Truth of Sel

> f-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

Welcome all

> to a.

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> >

> >

> >

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>

> //

>

> All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places,

sights,

> perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and

subside

> back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not

different than

> the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness.

> Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home.

Home is

> where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of

Eternal

> Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge,

spontaneously

> arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

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In a message dated 10/18/00 9:49:12 AM, aoclery writes:

 

<< samskaras >>

 

Samskaras are shadows of past lives, there are meditations ( to Gumpati)to

remove them as well as Karmas

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Gill...

Unconscious or subconscious works for me as samskaras. However, I

do come from a western viewpoint trying to interpret Sanskrit

terms/concepts. Hopefully, some one on this wonderful list can

confirm or correct.

Robert

Gill Collingwood

[gill (AT) nimbus (DOT) demon.co.uk]Wednesday, October 18, 2000

3:29 PM Subject: RE:

Samskaras and how they operate.Hi Robert,Cute poem, and a nice

explanation... so samskaras is another way of saying the unconscious

or subconscious? Or are there some subtle differences?gill> > Much of

our daily behavior is conditioned by forces below the conscious>

level. In Sanskrit these forces are called samskaras. They are a>

conditioned, automatic way of thinking and responding to events

around us.> Samskaras ultimately dictate much of our behavior. Many

years ago I> discovered a short poem. I do not remember its author.

The title is MY> ROBOT, and it goes like this:> I have a little robot

that goes around with me.> I tell him what Im thinking, I tell him

what I see.> I tell my little robot all my hopes and fears,> It

listens and remembers all my joys and tears.> At first my little

robot followed my command,> Bu after years of training its gotten out

of hand.> It doesnt care whats right or wrong or what is false or

true.> No matter what I try, now it tells me what to do.> I call my

robot Sam Karas Whats yours?> > Love, Robert> > > > > >

// > > All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves risingare not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

Welcome all to a.> > To from this list, go

to the ONElist web site, at> www., and

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the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription>

between digest and normal mode.> > > >

// All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

Welcome all to a.To from this list, go to

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//

All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and

subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not

different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of

the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always

Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart

to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the

Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It

Self. Welcome all to a.

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Hello Jamie:

SJSKhalsa is most likely from the Sikh lineage and his words would be

in Grumuki rather than Sanskrit. However, the spelling is similar to

Ganapataye which is another word for Ganesha.....the remover of

obstacles. One would work to bring in the energies of Ganesha or

Gananpataye as the aspect of Divinity that removes the obstacles of

one's samskaras. For instance you could chant a Ganesha mantra such

as Aum Gam Ganapataye Namah...first finding out how to exactly

pronounce the words as the sounds will activate different energies

within you and your various energy bodies. There are a variety of

ways to bring this energy into your life; one could meditate on the

Ganesha yantra, do puja to a figure or picture of Ganesha, take part

in a yajna as well as doing specific meditations, pranayamas and

kriyas to work on the removal of samskaras or to move beyond the

limitations of karma. It is important to remember until one is fully

realized the law of karma will operate in one's life. There is

probably no quick technique that will take care of it all...unless

one has done much work in prior lives and this lifetime is simply

taking up where the other left off. Of course, connecting to our

true self will take care of everything, but even the sage Ramana

Maharishi recognized that a certain amount of time would be spent

preparing one for direct perception. Many ashrams and centers around

the country will offer meditations and chants to Ganesha and if you

live around a 3HO center I'm sure they could direct you to

meditations to Gumpati.

Namaste,

Linda

>How can we learn these meditations (to Gumpati)? And who's Gumpati?

Hari Om

Jamie

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Re: Samskaras and how they operate.

In a message dated 10/18/00 9:49:12 AM, aoclery writes:<<

samskaras >>Samskaras are shadows of past lives, there are

meditations ( to Gumpati)to remove them as well as

Karmas// All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

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and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

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Well, is not this life a shadow of the past? Its end result so to say.

 

So in a very real way, the past is HERE! desire is NOW! GIMME THAT

CHOCOLATE SHAKE!

 

ok that's the idea anyway.

 

maitri,

 

--janpa

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Debora A. Orf <dorf01

Friday, October 20, 2000 1:48 AM

Re: Samskaras and how they operate.

 

>

>Well, is not this life a shadow of the past? Its end result so to say.

>

>So in a very real way, the past is HERE! desire is NOW! GIMME THAT

>CHOCOLATE SHAKE!

>

 

 

Yes, the past is here now. We accumulate it as programs and *ghosts* even in

our organism. However, the Future is also here now. Little, little mirror

on the wall...............

 

By placing positive energies in the mirror of our soul, keeping the mirror

clean from dust, we can change every dreadfull memory from the past into

someting positive.

 

Since - the Future is Now.

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On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, Magne Aga wrote:

> Yes, the past is here now. We accumulate it as programs and *ghosts* even in

> our organism. However, the Future is also here now. Little, little mirror

> on the wall...............

>

> By placing positive energies in the mirror of our soul, keeping the mirror

> clean from dust, we can change every dreadfull memory from the past into

> someting positive.

 

no mirror,

only a midnight sun

shining in a skypond.

 

Flying deer and dancing pigs

sing

songs around the firelight.

 

nothing is made, nothing is real

 

Yet the sun rises in the east, sets

in the west

 

The moon shines at midnight

 

Blue mountain ringed with clouds

Glows.

 

--janpa

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Debora A. Orf <dorf01

Sunday, October 22, 2000 5:25 AM

Re: Samskaras and how they operate.

 

>On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, Magne Aga wrote:

>> Yes, the past is here now. We accumulate it as programs and *ghosts* even

in

>> our organism. However, the Future is also here now. Little, little

mirror

>> on the wall...............

>>

>> By placing positive energies in the mirror of our soul, keeping the

mirror

>> clean from dust, we can change every dreadfull memory from the past into

>> someting positive.

>

>no mirror,

>only a midnight sun

>shining in a skypond.

>

>Flying deer and dancing pigs

>sing

>songs around the firelight.

>

>nothing is made, nothing is real

>

>Yet the sun rises in the east, sets

>in the west

>

>The moon shines at midnight

>

>Blue mountain ringed with clouds

>Glows.

>

>--janpa

>

 

Everything we put in the mirror becomes a reality, provided we keep the

mirror clean and removes the dust.

However, when the mirror IS crystal-clear, it's invisible and doesn't exist.

It just performs orders.

 

This may seem as a paradox, but - when we have diseases in our body, we

SENSE the body. When the body functions perfectly, we do not think about

it - do we?

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