Guest guest Posted October 20, 2000 Report Share Posted October 20, 2000 "if you take all the spiritual books in the world and put them on a donkey you still have a donkey" just checking for anger Samskaras Ganesh is Before Patanjalies time and his compassion is infinite The translation that I like is How to Know God by Christopher Isherwood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2000 Report Share Posted October 20, 2000 Namaste, I have Isherwood's as well but it is heavily interpreted. Fuersteins is the best attempt at translating the sankrit. He doesn't go to much into belief systems like Isherwood. For example he talks of a Self rather than a God, that being a concept. Ganesh and suchlike concepts are useful to those who need them. They do however belong in the world of beliefs and are not real in themselves. ONS Tony. -- In , SJSKhalsa@a... wrote: > "if you take all the spiritual books in the world and put them on a donkey > you still have a donkey" > > just checking for anger Samskaras > > Ganesh is Before Patanjalies time and his compassion is infinite > The translation that I like is How to Know God by Christopher Isherwood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2000 Report Share Posted October 21, 2000 Q. The repetition of the name of God is very common in India. Is there any virtue in it? M. when you know the name of a thing, or a person, you can find it easily. by calling God by his name you make Him come to you. Q. In what shape does he come? M. According to your expectations. If you happen to be unlucky and some saintly soul gives you a mantra for good luck and you repeat it with faith and devotion, your bad luck is bound to to turn. Steady faith is stronger than destiny. Destiny is the result of causes, mostly accidental, and is therefore loosely woven. Confidence and good hope will overcome it easily. Q When a mantra is chanted, what exactly happens? M. The sound of mantra creates the shape which will embody the Self. The Self can embody any shape - and operate through it. After all, the Self is expressing itself in action - and a mantra is primarily energy in action. It acts on you, it acts on your surroundings. Q. The mantra is traditional, must it be so? M. Since times immemorial a link was created between certain words and corresponding energies and reinforced by numberless repetitions. It is just like a road to walk on. It is an easy way - only faith is needed. You trust the road to take you to your destination. I Am That Talks with Nisargadatta Maharaj P.S. Hi Tony. Just a comment. The Self is just as much a concept as Consciousness or God or Ganesh or Patanjali or Ramana or Nisargadatta or a belief in a you or a me! ; ) Om Gum Ganapataye Namaha, ; ) Om Namah Shivaya Namaste, ~jessica - "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery Friday, October 20, 2000 1:29 PM Re: Patanjali and Samskaras > Namaste, > > I have Isherwood's as well but it is heavily interpreted. Fuersteins > is the best attempt at translating the sankrit. He doesn't go to > much into belief systems like Isherwood. For example he talks of a > Self rather than a God, that being a concept. > > Ganesh and suchlike concepts are useful to those who need them. They > do however belong in the world of beliefs and are not real in > themselves. > > ONS Tony. > > > -- In , SJSKhalsa@a... wrote: > > "if you take all the spiritual books in the world and put them on a > donkey > > you still have a donkey" > > > > just checking for anger Samskaras > > > > Ganesh is Before Patanjalies time and his compassion is infinite > > The translation that I like is How to Know God by Christopher > Isherwood > > > > // > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at > www., and select the User Center link from the menu bar > on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription > between digest and normal mode. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2000 Report Share Posted October 21, 2000 Namaste, Maharaj doesn't contradict my previous post for he says 'Faith is needed'. The Self is a word and only in that way is it a concept, for it is above the mind therefore above concepts. It is what it is. Again if you believe in devas then for you there are devas, if you need namasmarana for concentration then you need it. The mind will draw any picture of a Ishatadevata if that's what it needs. All we really need is 'Who am I?', then the other constructs and fantasies are not needed. Om Namah Sivaya Tony. , "Jessica White" <ellam-ondre@h...> wrote: > Q. The repetition of the name of God is very common in India. Is there any > virtue in it? > > M. when you know the name of a thing, or a person, you can find it easily. > by calling God by his name you make Him come to you. > > Q. In what shape does he come? > > M. According to your expectations. If you happen to be unlucky and some > saintly soul gives you a mantra for good luck and you repeat it with faith > and devotion, your bad luck is bound to to turn. Steady faith is stronger > than destiny. Destiny is the result of causes, mostly accidental, and is > therefore loosely woven. Confidence and good hope will overcome it easily. > > Q When a mantra is chanted, what exactly happens? > > M. The sound of mantra creates the shape which will embody the Self. The > Self can embody any shape - and operate through it. After all, the Self is > expressing itself in action - and a mantra is primarily energy in action. It > acts on you, it acts on your surroundings. > > Q. The mantra is traditional, must it be so? > > M. Since times immemorial a link was created between certain words and > corresponding energies and reinforced by numberless repetitions. It is just > like a road to walk on. It is an easy way - only faith is needed. You trust > the road to take you to your destination. > > > > I Am That > Talks with Nisargadatta Maharaj > > P.S. Hi Tony. Just a comment. The Self is just as much a concept as > Consciousness or God or Ganesh or Patanjali or Ramana or Nisargadatta or a > belief in a you or a me! ; ) > > Om Gum Ganapataye Namaha, ; ) > Om Namah Shivaya > > Namaste, > ~jessica > > - > "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> > > Friday, October 20, 2000 1:29 PM > Re: Patanjali and Samskaras > > > > Namaste, > > > > I have Isherwood's as well but it is heavily interpreted. Fuersteins > > is the best attempt at translating the sankrit. He doesn't go to > > much into belief systems like Isherwood. For example he talks of a > > Self rather than a God, that being a concept. > > > > Ganesh and suchlike concepts are useful to those who need them. They > > do however belong in the world of beliefs and are not real in > > themselves. > > > > ONS Tony. > > > > > > -- In , SJSKhalsa@a... wrote: > > > "if you take all the spiritual books in the world and put them on a > > donkey > > > you still have a donkey" > > > > > > just checking for anger Samskaras > > > > > > Ganesh is Before Patanjalies time and his compassion is infinite > > > The translation that I like is How to Know God by Christopher > > Isherwood > > > > > > > > // > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside > back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than > the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. > Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is > where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal > Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously > arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at > > www., and select the User Center link from > the menu bar > > on the left. This menu will also let you change your > subscription > > between digest and normal mode. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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