Guest guest Posted October 20, 2000 Report Share Posted October 20, 2000 Forwarding on the celibacy discussion. Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar) [hluthar] Thank you for your sharing Ramji on the issues of celibacy. Many will find it to be a very thoughtful and sensible commentary. Having lived and breathed yoga since early childhood, such conversations are of immense delight to me. The sacred truths that have been passed on to us through the ages by our sages and scriptures must be tested by every generation and enlivened by our own experiences. Otherwise, we are no better than parrots, who are very colorful birds with beautiful beaks but can only endlessly repeat what has been heard from others. As I stated in my first post on this topic, physical celibacy, in fact, can play an important role in Kundalini Yoga. With the accumulation of Ojas in the brain, Shakti works in higher centers and can maintain its residence in Sahasarara (in the brain center) for longer periods during Samadhi. Repeated experiences beyond body consciousness can facilitate ultimately the evaporation of ignorance, Nirvikalpa Samadhi, and Clear Knowing of Self By It Self. As Sri Murthyji pointed out, we need to distinguish between celibacy, Brhamacharya, etc., as the words imply different meanings. As evidenced by this discussion, multiple perspectives are possible on this topic, depending on one's angle of vision. I do not think the issue should divide people along the lines of those "who are for celibacy" and those "who are against it." That is a false and a simplistic division, without any foundation whatsoever, and not very useful at that. Truth of the Heart, That is the Self, is truly beyond all such concepts, notions, inferences, claims of superior knowing, and taking of various positions. Celibacy is not the same as Brahmacharya as noted time after time by Ramana Maharshi. Sage of Aruanchala clearly indicated that celibacy is an aid to Self-Realization, among many others. Ramana Maharshi pointedly and repeatedly refused to give physical celibacy the same prominence as that given in the Yogic texts. The Master before whom sat the greatest Yogis and Shankracharyas of India, supported all spiritual methods and disciplines and endorsed classical approaches to Self-Realization. However, the Sage Ramana maintained and insisted over the 50 years that he was questioned that all methods, techniques, and disciplines are subordinate to Self-Enquiry (Enquiring into the nature of consciousness and from where the "I Sense" originates). When the main and the central and the direct method of consciousness reverting on itself continuously and without ripples is truly understood and takes hold of a spiritual mature aspirant, all rigid positions about this and that discipline become irrelevant. One can start wherever one is. Ultimately, there is nothing else to understand other than One's Own Consciousness. Love to all Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2000 Report Share Posted October 20, 2000 Dear Harshaji, Could you please exlain about Ojas? How is it accumulate in the brain? Anyone has Sankrit Dictionary? :-) Thanks. Namaste, Nasir > ---------- > Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)[sMTP:hluthar] > Saturday, October 21, 2000 3:44 AM > > FW: Celibacy > > Forwarding on the celibacy discussion. > > > Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar) [hluthar] > > Thank you for your sharing Ramji on the issues of celibacy. Many will find > it to be a very thoughtful and sensible commentary. Having lived and > breathed yoga since early childhood, such conversations are of immense > delight to me. The sacred truths that have been passed on to us through > the > ages by our sages and scriptures must be tested by every generation and > enlivened by our own experiences. Otherwise, we are no better than > parrots, > who are very colorful birds with beautiful beaks but can only endlessly > repeat what has been heard from others. > > As I stated in my first post on this topic, physical celibacy, in fact, > can > play an important role in Kundalini Yoga. With the accumulation of Ojas in > the brain, Shakti works in higher centers and can maintain its residence > in > Sahasarara (in the brain center) for longer periods during Samadhi. > Repeated > experiences beyond body consciousness can facilitate ultimately the > evaporation of ignorance, Nirvikalpa Samadhi, and Clear Knowing of Self By > It Self. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2000 Report Share Posted October 20, 2000 In my householder practice of Kundalini yoga there have been years of celibacy, years of great sex, years of children to raise and years of grandchildren. I would only caution of a forced celibacy, thinking you are getting somewhere. When the tools of control are in place with the channels open, the seman goes to the pinial gland and back and is golden in color you have a choice. That is the dance of the yogi householder, channeling that juice up, giving up enough to allow souls to have that highest of births "to be born in a house of Yogis" and maintaining a relationship with another human over a lifetime of commitment to bring heros, givers and saints into this world to serve humanity with love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2000 Report Share Posted October 21, 2000 On 10/21/00 at 2:27 AM SJSKhalsa wrote: ºIn my householder practice of Kundalini yoga there have been years of ºcelibacy, years of great sex, years of children to raise and years of ºgrandchildren. I would only caution of a forced celibacy, thinking you are ºgetting somewhere. When the tools of control are in place with the channels ºopen, the seman goes to the pinial gland and back and is golden in color you ºhave a choice. That is the dance of the yogi householder, channeling that ºjuice up, giving up enough to allow souls to have that highest of births "to ºbe born in a house of Yogis" and maintaining a relationship with another ºhuman over a lifetime of commitment to bring heros, givers and saints into ºthis world to serve humanity with love. Not being a householder, I can't comment on practice for householders but can only relate to what happened tome long ago. The "first recognition of who I am" was of such a serene beauty and splendor that as a "pleasure", sex had become utterly uninteresting. When reading the (auto) biographies of those considered to be "realized", it will become clear that celibacy wasn't a practice but was mostly without effort (knowing a far more "better" pleasure - dissolving in (the bliss of) Self). So the pleasures of the senses aren't "just" given up, they are left behind for something much better, in the sense that a dog won't chew on legs of chairs anymore when it has an unceasing supply of fresh bones... And in some disciplines, it is realized that love and sex aren't mutually exclusive nor are love and Love, so the aim always is to "arrive" at a pure recognition of "who you are", enabling unconditional surrender which is the basis for effortless celibacy. Celibacy never is a goal by itself, as when the "goal" is reached, the practitioner (of whatever discipline) will "die" along with the practice... Love, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2000 Report Share Posted October 21, 2000 Hello Jan: This has also been my experience and as usual for me there was little drama or struggle it just simply was the way it had become. I had the same experience with meat I woke up one morning and that was that no more meat. It seems to be a part of the human consciousness to want to struggle with celibacy (actually, we tend to want to struggle with just about everything :-) ). Theses were never goals and not a struggle. What is interesting to me is how so many people in my life have an opinion on these issues and their opinions range from my getting physically sick..... to I must be depressed, afraid or in denial...hmmm right now I have a cold wonder if a steak would help :-). Linda > Not being a householder, I can't comment on practice for householders but can only >relate to what happened tome long ago. The "first recognition of who I am" was of such a >serene beauty and splendor that as a "pleasure", sex had become utterly uninteresting. >When reading the (auto) biographies of those considered to be "realized", it will become >clear that celibacy wasn't a practice but was mostly without effort (knowing a far more >"better" pleasure - dissolving in (the bliss of) Self). So the pleasures of the senses aren't >"just" given up, they are left behind for something much better, in the sense that a dog >won't chew on legs of chairs anymore when it has an unceasing supply of fresh bones... > > And in some disciplines, it is realized that love and sex aren't mutually exclusive nor are >love and Love, so the aim always is to "arrive" at a pure recognition of "who you are", >enabling unconditional surrender which is the basis for effortless celibacy. Celibacy never >is a goal by itself, as when the "goal" is reached, the practitioner (of whatever discipline) >will "die" along with the practice... > > Love, > Jan > > > > // > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at > www., and select the User Center link from the menu bar > on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription > between digest and normal mode. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2000 Report Share Posted October 21, 2000 On 10/21/00 at 10:03 AM LC wrote: ºHello Jan: º ºThis has also been my experience and as usual for me there was little drama ºor struggle it just simply was the way it had become. I had the same ºexperience with meat I woke up one morning and that was that no more meat. ºIt seems to be a part of the human consciousness to want to struggle with ºcelibacy (actually, we tend to want to struggle with just about everything º:-) ). Theses were never goals and not a struggle. What is interesting to ºme is how so many people in my life have an opinion on these issues and ºtheir opinions range from my getting physically sick..... to I must be ºdepressed, afraid or in denial...hmmm right now I have a cold wonder if a ºsteak would help :-). º ºLinda A struggle always denotes a like for what is perceived as having to be given up. With the proper insight, there is no struggle and with the proper emotional imprint, there isn't a struggle either - it means "no choice". But anyone, experiencing a struggle, is admitting to have a problem with one-pointedness too. Some "hidden" advice on feelings was given by the Buddha, stating something in the sense of "when the goal has been reached, one can rejoice one's feelings again but if one doesn't, they will be burnt too". This ties in neatly with the story of Krishna and the gopis ) When having a cold, I used to change the temperature to some 35C which caused profuse perspiration; all "waste" was flushed out speedily and also I didn't eat, drinking only. Speedy recovery, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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