Clear explanation - with joy/deck the halls

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, "Michael Read" <maread@i...> wrote:

> "Tony O'Clery" wrote:

> > Namaste All, Mumble cat,

> >

> > I cannot see how neurobiology and psychology, can anyway be

> connected with moksha in the way described. How can it be possible

> for

> the mind to discuss a condition that is of 'no mind',

 

 

How about the Cosmic Mind? Maybe It is like no mind (no thought no

thing, just thoughts arise spontaneously like flowers blooming with

no

history, no past, just in the present).

 

How could it be that our body & brain might even be transformed to

enable consciousness to become conscious of Itself? Could it involve

total brain functioning in harmony (instead of just a small part

functioning, seeking more)?

 

 

it is

> impossible

> and is only a preliminary sadhana, like the thorn. It is above

> intuition which is of the vijnanamayakosa even. As intellectually

> satisfying as it may be.

> >

 

Michael Read said:

>

> In THAT state of being - all things are possible. IT is beyond

> the conditioned or the unconditioned.

 

This reminds me of something reputedly said by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi:

 

On the question of Brahman:

 

Maharishi once said:

 

"The Absolute is pure existence, pure Isness.

 

Like the Absolute IS, Brahman is not.

 

Brahman is NOT the Absolute.

Brahman is NOT the relative.

Brahman is NOT both together.

Brahman is NOT neither. "

 

And a friend of mine (another Michael) also shared ...

 

'On the question of Brahman, again:

 

I am That. Self-realization.

Thou are That. God-realization.

All this is That. Unity.

And That is all that there is. Brahman.

 

And Brahman is The Knower.'

 

I thought it was rather insightful:-)

 

And another friend shared ( & I will add more in brackets):

 

"Maharishi explains that the path of C.C. is the path of mind,

Gaining C.C. is the expansion of mind.

 

(From individual mind to cosmic mind)

>From C.C. to U.C. is the expansion of Heart, the path of love, and

that love, and only love can rise a man from C.C. (realization of

Self) to U.C. (Realization of Brahma ).

 

(CC is cosmic consciousness according to Maharishi; what I believe

many are talking about here with the impersonal no thing,

attributeless, eternal, boundless, all at once, everything,

everywhere, nowhere, non moving, coexisting with the motion of life,

the something of personal experience). What Wim & others are speaking

of, is coming out to love after finding you are One. This is the

compassion of the Buddhas;-)

 

>

> > This is exactly what I mean when I say it doesn't come near the

> Indian Jivanmuktis, it is just an ersatz western version still

> connected to the subtle ego playing it tricks and hiding in the

> palace.

> >

>

> Oy vey! And just what is the so-called 'ego' made from?

 

Consciousness does like to play!

>

> > Some spiritual sadhana is necessary, and even effort to overcome

> samskaras.

 

Some say that loving surrender (devotion to transcendent) takes you

in, & Love takes you out (devotion to life) to find You are the

totality. Either way, love is unifying, so it seems.

 

I say this Tony for one reason. On the way in we beat up on ourselves

as NOT IT. We seek through another, any other, & anywhere else for

OUR

SELF. Anywhere else but we're It. Yet it is such a delicate matter, &

is the right play, wherever you are! So I just share & respect who

you

are & where you are as just right for you!

 

>

> YOU know this. There is no illusion and there is no end to the

> illusion. There is no ultimate state of being and there is no end

of

> the ulitmate state of being. There is no state of enlightenment and

> there is no end to the state of enlightenment. There are no

realized

> beings and there is no end of realized beings. There is no

liberation

> and there is no end of liberation.

>

> There is no reality and there is no end to reality.

>

> You are already what you seek.

 

But to Know That Michael, that's the thing. And I do believe when one

is ready it comes. No rush.

>

> HAHAHAH and HOHOHO!

 

Hmm here comes Father Xmas!

 

Peace,

 

Colette

>

> Peace - Michael