Fine book available - Steve

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In , Victor Torrico <vtorrico@c...

wrote:

 

V >>> This is from a previous post.

 

A quote from Jean Klein in his book "Who Am I? The Sacred Quest".

 

JK >>> "Generally the mental function dominates our senses, our

perception. For global listening, which is your organic state, to

occur, this domination must stop. In stillness the mind functions,

taking its place with the rest of the body functions, but its

functioning no longer refers to a centre. It merely perceives and

names. A mind which is simply in movement is not a problem. On the

contrary when the intellect is grounded in silence everything is

spontaneously referred to this ground.

 

You see a rose. The intellect perceives and names it. Perfect

functioning. But then it goes on and begins to interfere with the

perception preventing it from unfolding in direct perception. The

imaginary person, the centre of viewpoints, sees the colour and

compares it, or likes it, dislikes it perhaps. It thinks about its

beauty or remembers some past reference. But during this activity

where is the real perfume of the rose?

 

Psychological activity is fractional and sucessive. There can only

be one precept or concept at a time, so it is impossible to feel the

wholeness of the rose with the every day functioning of the mind.

You can only add up its parts. But the true perfume of the rose, what it

really is, is not a collection of fractions. When you step back from

stressing the parts, when the mind becomes still, the rose comes to

you, unfolds in you in all her glory. The perfume invades you

completely. The rose is you. You are one."

 

 

S >>> The way that I understand it is that you should attempt to percieve

the rose as if it is the first time that you have ever experienced it. There

free from any concept, idea, or even slightly logical notion about what the

object is and your expectations from it you can appreciate all of the

sensory delights simultaneously. As there is no thought available in

your mind to relate to the rose your experience is full, original and quite

likely to be overpowering. I only see two ways to acheive this either

the full blanking of ones memory or perhaps facilatating such clear and

controlled thought that the mind does not immediately through your

entire history with this objects and it's similarities at it all at once.

Clarity will allow the emotions and perceptions to go through, control will

keep those little thoughts and memories at bay. I view this not as

mentioned the rose opening up to you, but indeed you are opening to the rose.

Opening your mind, senses, body and soul to the experience that is the rose.

 

Gosh glad I got that one out reasonably clearly.

 

Okay blessings...

Steve Mclachlan

 

V >>> Hola Steve,

 

Thanks for your reply.

 

I see it from the point of view of who is controlling your mind/ego?

If mind/ego is in control there is only the same old thoughts about the

object --- no newness here. You are simply mentally redescribing the

object in terms of old memories. Stepping out of mind/ego (allowing that

which is to happen to simply happen) without attempting to control it

brings freshness, spontaneity and newness to the perception. You are

not judging, describing, or ascribing psychological values to the

object. You and the object are are one as part of the supreme unity of

all things. Sort of looking at it in wonder with the eyes of an

infant. All these words are merely pointers and don't mean a heck of a

lot unless that which is pointed to is understood.

 

Love, Victor

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Victor Torrico <vtorrico

Friday, November 03, 2000 3:14 AM

Re: Fine book available - Steve

 

>

>

>In , Victor Torrico <vtorrico@c...

>wrote:

>

>V >>> This is from a previous post.

>

>A quote from Jean Klein in his book "Who Am I? The Sacred Quest".

>

>JK >>> "Generally the mental function dominates our senses, our

>perception. For global listening, which is your organic state, to

>occur, this domination must stop. In stillness the mind functions,

>taking its place with the rest of the body functions, but its

>functioning no longer refers to a centre. It merely perceives and

>names. A mind which is simply in movement is not a problem. On the

>contrary when the intellect is grounded in silence everything is

>spontaneously referred to this ground.

>

>You see a rose. The intellect perceives and names it. Perfect

>functioning. But then it goes on and begins to interfere with the

>perception preventing it from unfolding in direct perception. The

>imaginary person, the centre of viewpoints, sees the colour and

>compares it, or likes it, dislikes it perhaps. It thinks about its

>beauty or remembers some past reference. But during this activity

>where is the real perfume of the rose?

>

>Psychological activity is fractional and sucessive. There can only

>be one precept or concept at a time, so it is impossible to feel the

>wholeness of the rose with the every day functioning of the mind.

>You can only add up its parts. But the true perfume of the rose, what it

>really is, is not a collection of fractions. When you step back from

>stressing the parts, when the mind becomes still, the rose comes to

>you, unfolds in you in all her glory. The perfume invades you

>completely. The rose is you. You are one."

>

>

>S >>> The way that I understand it is that you should attempt to percieve

>the rose as if it is the first time that you have ever experienced it.

There

>free from any concept, idea, or even slightly logical notion about what the

>object is and your expectations from it you can appreciate all of the

>sensory delights simultaneously. As there is no thought available in

>your mind to relate to the rose your experience is full, original and quite

>likely to be overpowering. I only see two ways to acheive this either

>the full blanking of ones memory or perhaps facilatating such clear and

>controlled thought that the mind does not immediately through your

>entire history with this objects and it's similarities at it all at once.

>Clarity will allow the emotions and perceptions to go through, control will

>keep those little thoughts and memories at bay. I view this not as

>mentioned the rose opening up to you, but indeed you are opening to the

rose.

>Opening your mind, senses, body and soul to the experience that is the

rose.

>

>Gosh glad I got that one out reasonably clearly.

>

>Okay blessings...

>Steve Mclachlan

>

>V >>> Hola Steve,

>

>Thanks for your reply.

>

>I see it from the point of view of who is controlling your mind/ego?

>If mind/ego is in control there is only the same old thoughts about the

>object --- no newness here. You are simply mentally redescribing the

>object in terms of old memories. Stepping out of mind/ego (allowing that

>which is to happen to simply happen) without attempting to control it

>brings freshness, spontaneity and newness to the perception. You are

>not judging, describing, or ascribing psychological values to the

>object. You and the object are are one as part of the supreme unity of

>all things. Sort of looking at it in wonder with the eyes of an

>infant. All these words are merely pointers and don't mean a heck of a

>lot unless that which is pointed to is understood.

>

>Love, Victor

 

Yes I see what you mean here, I think we may be on the same track.