Welcome to the new members

[Guest guest]

Hi Harsha,

Are you sure you did not mean "infamous" and much despised Ivan?

Oh, shame, I did not think that writing my tongue-in-cheek critique on

Ram Tzu's No Way will generate so much controversy on Nondual Salon,

and I am sure you did not either, Harsha, when you posted it there.

Great fun you were having without me. I only found out about it

yesterday - and replied last night by posting my response on NDS.

Today I will introduce myself on your satsangh e-group - and

look forward to hear from all of you there, especially the more

rational and less emotional ones among you.

I saw the retreat pics on your satsangh e-group website files -

it looks like a bunch of very nice people having a lot of fun there,

too.

Love,

Ivan.

-

"Harsha" <Harsha-HKL (AT) home (DOT) com>

; <ivanf (AT) iafrica (DOT) com>

Sunday, November 05, 2000 12:58 AM

Welcome to the new members and thanks for being here

> Thank you Amanda, Gloria, Angelique, Wim, Magne Aga, Hillary, Mace,

Annette,> Mace, Steve, Janpa, Colette, Jessica, sraddha, victor,

Christina, TG, JB,> Mark, Mary, Myles, Nasir, Jacqui, Michael, Holly,

Linda and so many others> for your recent posts. We have had some new

members join including the> celebrated Ivan. Please everyone, both

the new and the old members, feel> free to introduce yourself in more

depth and give some background on> yourself. I love hearing stories.>

> Magazine is more or less on track. We are always on

the look> out for talented and gifted writers (Wim? Angelique? Holly?

Mark? and all of> you....don't want to go through a list of names

here.> > There is a possibility of a London summer retreat --- still

in conceptual> stages.> > Also the possibility of a retreat at Ramana

Ashram around Christmas of next> year.> > The pictures of the Summer

Retreat of 2000 at the Zen Monastery in> Cumberland, RI can be found

in the file section of this list.> > Love to all> Harsha> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Ivan,

 

You wrote:

>Today I will introduce myself on your satsangh

> e-group - and look forward to hear from all of you there,

> especially the more rational and less emotional ones among you.

 

I notice that you are using the words 'rational and emotional' very

in-precisely, the way people tend to use those two words in common language.

*If* that is the case and *if* you are aware of that *then* I take no

offence. (:-) hehehe)

 

Welcome,

Welcome either way.

We are real

 

See

I am

I am also

very irrational,

as well as very physical,

as well as very emotional,

as well as very creative and imaginative,

as well as of very strong will and with great clarity in my gut feelings,

as well as very expressive and outspoken in my vocational functionalities,

as well as very inspirational and aspirational, very intellectual,

analytical and integrative,

as well as very spiritual and whole,

 

In all

I am

I am as well very much a human divine being,

Living on this wonderful earth in this wonderful universe.

 

And so are you

And so is everyone

when they remember

who they are

that they are

and they will

 

It is already so

(Just a bit of temporal protraction in becoming aware for most folks.)

No big deal!

God knows it is no big deal.

 

Love,

Wim

[Guest guest]

Dear Ivan,

 

I wrote:

> See

> I am

> I am also

> very irrational,

> as well as very physical,

> as well as very emotional,

> as well as very creative and imaginative,

> as well as of very strong will and with great clarity in my gut feelings,

> as well as very expressive and outspoken in my vocational functionalities,

> as well as very inspirational and aspirational, very intellectual,

> analytical and integrative,

> as well as very spiritual and whole,

>

> In all

> I am

> I am as well very much a human divine being,

> Living on this wonderful earth in this wonderful universe.

 

I am also none of the above

As I just am

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I wrote:

> And so are you

> And so is everyone

> when they remember

> who they are

> that they are

> and they will

 

And so you are not !

You are not any of the above!

As you just are not.

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I wrote:

> It is already so

 

And that is so!

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I wrote:

> (Just a bit of temporal protraction in becoming aware for most folks.)

 

That sentence is more important than any of the others.

But I could improve upon it, expand on it.

See, *mental awareness* is like a prism that breaks up light into spectral

colours. The glass and the shape of the prism slows light's speed down into

temporal coordinates and - at the same time - extends light into spatial

coordinates. We interfere with the unknown so that we may know. We actually

DO the the right side of the equation e=mc(squared) continuously, we create

time. We actually ARE the the right side of that equation, we create space.

We are the cause AND the result of that equation. We pose the problem and we

are the outcome of it.

The myriad results of the myriad of interference we call reality. We create

reality by interfering with the unknown.... that is a wonderful miracle. The

interferences as patterns interfere with each other. We create creation by

reiterating our interferences *endlessly in something* we then call time and

space.

Who are we?

Who am I?

Who are you?

 

I am the one who plays with light and creates you.

You are the one who plays with light and creates me.

I am You

You are Me

We are love.

 

Who are we but god who plays!

Who are we but gods who play themselves!

Who are we but divine humans who love to play with each other!

*********************************************************************

 

Divine Lila

Love you Ivan,

Wim

 

PS.

I wrote:

> No big deal!

> God knows it is no big deal.

And it isn't

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