Guest guest Posted November 7, 2000 Report Share Posted November 7, 2000 Dear All, I shared this with a number of friends here in Virginia, and realized that many of them could not access the site. When Jessica shared this material, for me it was so lucid and so clear, I read it all for two days. Then I saved the last one for the third day, sorry I could not read more as there is not more. I almost never read something twice, and I read this more than twice <g>. I find it very beautiful. So, I am sharing with you for those that cannot access either the written transcripts nor the voice material on the site. I'll put this in two emails, there is tons more, but I do not know if this is as useful to everyone. I sent it to a wise, brilliant friend, he said, "most people cannot use this direct path." So, it is not for everyone, for others perhaps prefer 2000 mantras each day, or, whatever, that is okay too, this is someone who studied Ramana Maharshi. (~*~) Much Love and Light <A HREF="http://www.leelaa.net/transcripts/900819.htm'>http://www.leelaa.net/transcripts/900819.htm"> Transcripts</A> in Leela Land <A HREF="http://www.leelaa.net/">Leelaa.net</A> or: http://www.leelaa.net/ The Four Principles of Self Realization of Noble Wisdom Satsang with Robert Adams August 19, 1990 Robert: I want to let you in on a little secret. There are no problems. There are no problems. There never were any problems, there are no problems today, and there will never be any problems. Problems just mean that the world isn't turning the way you want it to. But in truth, there are no problems. Everything is unfolding as it should. Everything is right. You have to forget about yourself and expand your consciousness until you become the whole universe. The Reality in back of the universe is Pure Awareness. It has no problems. And you are That. If you identify with your body, then there's a problem, because your body always gets into trouble of some kind. But if you learn to forget about your body and your mind, where is there a problem? In other words, leave your body alone. Take just enough care of it. Exercise it a little, feed it right foods, but don't think about it too much. Keep your mind on reality. Merge your mind with reality. And you will experience reality. You will live in a world without problems. The world may appear to have problems to others, but not to you. You will see things differently, from a higher point of view. I had an interesting phone call this week. Someone asked me, "Do self realized people dream, or have visions?" Now, in order to have a dream or a vision, there has to be somebody left to have it, and yet, if you're self realized, there's nobody home. There's nobody left. So it's a contradiction, as truth is. All truth is a contradiction, it's a paradox. The answer is, sages do dream sometimes, and have visions. But they're aware of the dreamer. In other words they realize that they are not the person dreaming or having the vision. But as long as there's a body there someplace, there will be dreams and visions. Even though there's no one home, there will still, once in a while, be a dream or a vision. As an example, Ramana Maharshi often dreamt and had visions. Nisargadatta dreamt and had visions. Any they were both self realized. But again, the question is, "Who dreams? Who has the vision?" There's no ego left. As long as the dreamer is separate from the "I". I can only speak from my own experience. There's no difference, to me, in the waking state, the dreaming state, the sleeping state, or the vision state. They're all the same. I'm aware of all of them, but I am not them. I observe them. I see them happening. As a matter of fact, sometimes I can not tell the difference. Sometimes I don't know whether I'm dreaming, or awake, or having a vision, or I'm asleep. It's all the same, because I take a step backward, and I watch myself going through all these things. So, for some reason, lately, I've been dreaming about the queen of England. She was coming to satsang. I don't know why... for about three nights in a row. But I did have an interesting vision this morning, about four o'clock, and we'll spend the rest of the time discussing it, because I found it very interesting. As many of you know, I have had a constant vision, periodically, of myself going to Arunachala, the sacred mountain where Ramana Maharshi lived. And the mountain is hollow, in the vision. And I go through the mountain, to the center, where there's a bright light, a thousand times more brighter than the sun, but yet it's pleasing and calm, and there's no heat. And then I meet Ramana, Jesus, Rama Krishna, Nisargadatta, Lao Tse, and others. And we smile at each other, we walk toward each other, and melt into one light, and become one. Then there's a blinding light and an explosion. And then I open my eyes. I've shared that with you before. But this morning, for the first time, I had a very interesting vision, which I'll share with you again. I dreamt I was somewhere in an open field, a beautiful field. There was a lake nearby, trees, a forest. And I was sitting under a tree, in this open field. And I had on the orange garb of a renunciate. I must have been a Buddhist. All of a sudden hundreds of bodhisattvas and mahasattvas come from the forest and start walking toward me. And they all sit down in a semi-circle around me, in meditation. And I wondered what I was doing. Then I realized that I had become the Buddha. And we all sat in silence for about three hours. Then one of the bodhisattvas got up and asked a question. He said, "Master, what is your teaching"? It was not in English. I don't know what language he spoke. But I understood it quite clearly. And without hesitation I said, "I teach Self Realization of Noble Wisdom". And he sat down. We sat for about another three hours in silence, and then another bodhisattva got up and asked a question. "Master, how can you tell when one is close to self realization? How can you tell one is about to become self realized? How does one tell?" And this is what I'd like to discuss today. How can we tell if we're on the path correctly. I gave four principles, which I really never do in the waking state. I never have a teaching. But I was giving a teaching, so I'll share it with you. I explained four principles, where you know that you're close to self realization. Of course, we're all self realized already. Principle number 1: You have a feeling, a complete understanding, that everything you see, everything in the universe, in the world, emanates from your mind. In other words, you feel this. You do not have to think about it, or try to bring it on. It comes by itself. It becomes a part of you. The realization that everything that you see, the universe, people, worms, insects, the mineral kingdom, the vegetable kingdom, your body, your mind, everything that appears, is a manifestation of your mind. You have to have that feeling, that deep understanding, without trying to. So you ask yourself, "What do I think about all day long?". Of course, if you fear something, if you worry, if you believe something is wrong somewhere, if you think you're suffering from lack or limitation, or sickness, anything, then you're out of it completely, because you're not understanding that all these things are simply a manifestation of your own mind. And if you worry about these things you become attached to false imagination. That's called false imagination. You've been attached to habit energy for many years, and all these attachments and beliefs come from habit energy. It's like watching a TV. show and becoming one of the characters, when you know that you're not even in the TV. But you believe you're one of the characters in the TV. show. So it is with the world. Do not get involved. I don't mean you become passive. I mean your body does what it's supposed to do. Remember, your body came to this earth to do something. It will do something without your knowledge. It'll take care of itself. Don't worry. But do not identify your body with yourself. They're different. Your body is not yourself. And I'll prove this. When you refer to your body what do you say? Don't you say "my body"? Who is this "my" you're referring to? You say "my finger", "my eye". Who are you referring to? You couldn't be talking about your body, because you’re saying it's "my" body, like you own it. Who owns it? This proves to yourself that you're not your body. So do not identify yourself with the body and the world. Therefore the first principle, to see how close you are to self realization is: you are not feeling that you are identified with the world. You're separate. And you're feeling happiness, because your natural state is pure happiness. Once you identify with worldly things, you spoil it. The happiness disappears, it dissipates. But when you're separate from worldly things happiness is automatic. Beautiful, pure happiness. It comes by itself. So that's the first principle. The second principle I explained to the bodhisattvas was this: You have to have a strong feeling, a deep realization, that you are unborn. You are not born, you do not experience a life, and you do not disappear, you do not die. You are not born, you have no life, and you do not die. You have to feel this, that you are of the unborn. Do you realize what this means? There is no cause for your existence. There is no cause for your suffering. There is no cause for your problems. Some of you still believe in cause and effect. This is true in the relative world, but in the world of reality there is no cause. Nothing has ever been made. Nothing has ever been created. There is no creation. I know it's hard to comprehend. How do I exist if I was not born, I have no life and I do not disappear in old age? You exist as "I AM". You have always existed and you will always exist. You exist as Pure Intelligence, as Absolute Reality. That is you true nature. You exist as Sat-chit-ananda. You exist as Bliss Consciousness, but you do exist. You exist as Emptiness, as Nirvana, but you do exist. So don't worry about being nonÂexistent. But you do not exist as the body. You do not exist as person,. place or thing. Do you feel that? If you have a strong feeling about that, then you're close to self realization. Principle number 3: You are aware and you have a deep understanding of the egolessness of all things; that everything has no ego. I'm not only speaking of sentient beings. I'm speaking of the mineral kingdom, the vegetable kingdom, the animal kingdom, the human kingdom. Nothing has an ego. There is no ego. And do you realize what this means? It means that everything is sacred. Everything is God. only when the ego comes, does God disappear, what we call "God". Everything becomes God. You have reverence for everything. When there is no ego, you have reverence for everybody and everything. So you have to be aware of the egolessness of all things. Animals have no ego, minerals have no ego, vegetables have no ego, and humans have no ego. There is no cause, so there cannot be an effect. There is only Divine Consciousness, and everything becomes Divine Consciousness. So if you look at your fellow man and animals and everything else as being egolessness, you will see them as yourself. Can't you see that? It's the ego that causes separation. When I am full of ego, I become strong within myself. I become totally separate. So the more you like yourself as a person, the bigger your ego is. You say, "Well, I'm not supposed to like myself?". You're supposed to love yourself, but what self are we talking about? We're not talking about your body self, because that comes and goes. We're talking about your permanent self, that has always been here. And your permanent self is me, is you, is the world, is the universe, is everything. That's your permanent self. Egolessness. That's the only time that you can love you fellow human beings, when you have no ego. That's how you can tell where you're at, if you're close to self realization. That's principle number three. Principle number 4 is simply this: You have a deep conviction, a deep understanding, a deep feeling of what self realization of noble wisdom really is. What is Self Realization of Noble Wisdom to you? You can never know by trying to find out what it is, because it's Absolute Reality. You can only know by finding out what it is not. 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Guest guest Posted October 25, 2002 Report Share Posted October 25, 2002 hrtbeat7 wrote: We commune with helpful Friends, and are very conscious of their Presence -- Ramana, Nityananda, Nisargadatta, Yogananda, Lahiri Mahasaya, Amma, Han Shan, and many others -- they live and play with us, and bless us. God once said to Yogananda – "Come along little boy, come on along with Me." Yoganandaji replied thusly – "Hello Playmate!" You all know the rest of the story. Man makes good. He Gets God. Lives Happily ever after and Yadda-Yadda, ya gotta hand to God – He plays a good game And He tells a good story. "If you could feel one drop of God’s Love for you, so great would be your Joy that you could not contain it." Yes, my Love, we play with the Friends Both night and day, endless as the hours Gone up in moments, Endless are the ways and whats of this As we discover why we were born. Just to be here now. Ha! Ram Dass really got us going! Two on the move to groove with guys like Ramana. Oh yeah. Ramana jams The ‘shram up with silence, saying – "The point to be grasped is this, that heart means the core of one’s being, the center without which there is nothing whatever." A jnani rocking the cyberwaves, Rocks my world and I weep while waving back at Nisargadatta. Never knew a cat could howl so deep. Never saw a lion tame the world With one flick of his wrist. Never saw a head severed so cleanly As when Nis went in to do repair work on a pal. "This consciousness, which is really what is born, mistakenly attaches itself to this body and thinks it is the body and works through the three gunas; that is the association. And, it is that which is born. But I have nothing to do with this. In the Gita, Lord Krishna tells Arjuna that You are not killing somebody, nor is anybody getting killed. The whole thing is an illusion. This knowledge "I am," this consciousness, This feeling or sense of Being, will also have gone. This sense of Being cannot remain Without the body, just as sweetness Cannot remain without the sugar. What remains is the Original, which is unconditioned, without attributes, and without identity: that on which this temporary state of the consciousness and the three states and the three gunas have come and gone. It is called Parabrahman, The Absolute." Whew! Nis riffs with the Om… He hangs out with a guy >From the Sky of Heart. Uhh, hmmm. Yeah. Him. Nityananda. Yo Bro. I gotta give it to ya. Young and old alike like to strike The iron while it’s neti-neti. Not! Winking away in mirth at his chum I never knew a cat more Cultivated Than the wild jungle-sky Of his Heart. Huuuaaahh! Heart-Sky skims my head And I am nodding in some stupor Of Bliss to hear him Kiss the universe With this – "Words and actions should show "sameness." Burn the physical sight – and look! It is the sense of separateness That causes suffering at the time of death. Yoga is union. The eternal spirit dwells in the cave of the body. When the two merge – That is Yoga." Looking at me looking at him, The one who’s looking out Is the one who’s looking back. Lurking near the Namah part Of Om Namah Shivaya, He calls out casually to his Homeboy, Hey! You. Is that ol’ Lahiri Mahasaya. This lad of Light that shines both day and night Is none other than the Friend Who befriended my father in a dither Having the characteristics and The experience of nothing less than Divine Mystery fire-licking at his heels. "Dera danda uthao…" whispers Babaji to the likes of this Yogavatar. "Let us lift our camp and staff." "Keshabananda, it is I. From the disintegrated atoms of my cremated body, I have resurrected a remodeled form. My householder work is done; but I do not leave earth entirely. Henceforth I shall spend some time in the Himalayas, and with Babaji in the cosmos." The Transcendent form of Lahiri Mahasaya then vanished." As in the photo that would not be taken, Lahiri’s taken to this game we play and says, Jai to Ammachi! Jai to comraderie! Jai to giving it all up for the One! Amma makes her way through the crowd, Hugging each great being in turn. As I sit here now, I feel her warmth against my Heart. I know she’s the Breath of Love And I am the last gasp going out. I try to speak of the Unspeakable, Tongueless still I thrill to the Hearts who Hear this – "Children, to say that there is no God is like saying, "I have no tongue" with your own tongue. Is it possible for a person who has no tongue to say, "I have no tongue?" Likewise, when we say, "There is no God," at that moment itself we agree that there is God. In order to say that a particular object Is ‘not,’ We must have a general knowledge Of that object previously. How can we prove the non-existence Of something which is known to us? Truth is only one. That is God." Merrier now than ever, The crowd begins to crow for bo. Bring on b, Bring out the glee! Wine and dine the mind with the Cup Of Bliss-Wisdom we have brought To this table. And not to be overlooked for his late arrival, Han Shan merely looks into the sky and sighs, "In an instant of thought, this chaotic mind is put to rest. Internally and externally, the sense faculties and objects Became empty and clear. Overturning the body — emptiness is now shattered. The myriad forms and appearances arise and extinguish in their own accord." Have nice day! Have a nice life! Have a nice death! Have a nice whatever! It’s nice to be nice to the nice." ~Major Frank Burns of M.A.S.H 4077 Sheesh, can't somebody shut this woman up! LoveAlways, Mazie Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. Click Here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2002 Report Share Posted October 25, 2002 Hi Mazie, I just wanted to tell you how much I enjoyed this writing. I haven't been much in touch with my friend, Ed, of South Africa, but I am sending this along. I know you won't mind. There is a wonderful incantatory rhythm. So simple, so sublime. Thank you. Harvey - Mazie Lane Friday, October 25, 2002 6:54 PM Re: Who Am I? hrtbeat7 wrote: We commune with helpful Friends, and are very conscious of their Presence -- Ramana, Nityananda, Nisargadatta, Yogananda, Lahiri Mahasaya, Amma, Han Shan, and many others -- they live and play with us, and bless us. God once said to Yogananda – "Come along little boy, come on along with Me." Yoganandaji replied thusly – "Hello Playmate!" You all know the rest of the story. Man makes good. He Gets God. Lives Happily ever after and Yadda-Yadda, ya gotta hand to God – He plays a good game And He tells a good story. "If you could feel one drop of God’s Love for you, so great would be your Joy that you could not contain it." Yes, my Love, we play with the Friends Both night and day, endless as the hours Gone up in moments, Endless are the ways and whats of this As we discover why we were born. Just to be here now. Ha! Ram Dass really got us going! Two on the move to groove with guys like Ramana. Oh yeah. Ramana jams The ‘shram up with silence, saying – "The point to be grasped is this, that heart means the core of one’s being, the center without which there is nothing whatever." A jnani rocking the cyberwaves, Rocks my world and I weep while waving back at Nisargadatta. Never knew a cat could howl so deep. Never saw a lion tame the world With one flick of his wrist. Never saw a head severed so cleanly As when Nis went in to do repair work on a pal. "This consciousness, which is really what is born, mistakenly attaches itself to this body and thinks it is the body and works through the three gunas; that is the association. And, it is that which is born. But I have nothing to do with this. In the Gita, Lord Krishna tells Arjuna that You are not killing somebody, nor is anybody getting killed. The whole thing is an illusion. This knowledge "I am," this consciousness, This feeling or sense of Being, will also have gone. This sense of Being cannot remain Without the body, just as sweetness Cannot remain without the sugar. What remains is the Original, which is unconditioned, without attributes, and without identity: that on which this temporary state of the consciousness and the three states and the three gunas have come and gone. It is called Parabrahman, The Absolute." Whew! Nis riffs with the Om… He hangs out with a guy >From the Sky of Heart. Uhh, hmmm. Yeah. Him. Nityananda. Yo Bro. I gotta give it to ya. Young and old alike like to strike The iron while it’s neti-neti. Not! Winking away in mirth at his chum I never knew a cat more Cultivated Than the wild jungle-sky Of his Heart. Huuuaaahh! Heart-Sky skims my head And I am nodding in some stupor Of Bliss to hear him Kiss the universe With this – "Words and actions should show "sameness." Burn the physical sight – and look! It is the sense of separateness That causes suffering at the time of death. Yoga is union. The eternal spirit dwells in the cave of the body. When the two merge – That is Yoga." Looking at me looking at him, The one who’s looking out Is the one who’s looking back. Lurking near the Namah part Of Om Namah Shivaya, He calls out casually to his Homeboy, Hey! You. Is that ol’ Lahiri Mahasaya. This lad of Light that shines both day and night Is none other than the Friend Who befriended my father in a dither Having the characteristics and The experience of nothing less than Divine Mystery fire-licking at his heels. "Dera danda uthao…" whispers Babaji to the likes of this Yogavatar. "Let us lift our camp and staff." "Keshabananda, it is I. From the disintegrated atoms of my cremated body, I have resurrected a remodeled form. My householder work is done; but I do not leave earth entirely. Henceforth I shall spend some time in the Himalayas, and with Babaji in the cosmos." The Transcendent form of Lahiri Mahasaya then vanished." As in the photo that would not be taken, Lahiri’s taken to this game we play and says, Jai to Ammachi! Jai to comraderie! Jai to giving it all up for the One! Amma makes her way through the crowd, Hugging each great being in turn. As I sit here now, I feel her warmth against my Heart. I know she’s the Breath of Love And I am the last gasp going out. I try to speak of the Unspeakable, Tongueless still I thrill to the Hearts who Hear this – "Children, to say that there is no God is like saying, "I have no tongue" with your own tongue. Is it possible for a person who has no tongue to say, "I have no tongue?" Likewise, when we say, "There is no God," at that moment itself we agree that there is God. In order to say that a particular object Is ‘not,’ We must have a general knowledge Of that object previously. How can we prove the non-existence Of something which is known to us? Truth is only one. That is God." Merrier now than ever, The crowd begins to crow for bo. Bring on b, Bring out the glee! Wine and dine the mind with the Cup Of Bliss-Wisdom we have brought To this table. And not to be overlooked for his late arrival, Han Shan merely looks into the sky and sighs, "In an instant of thought, this chaotic mind is put to rest. Internally and externally, the sense faculties and objects Became empty and clear. Overturning the body — emptiness is now shattered. The myriad forms and appearances arise and extinguish in their own accord." Have nice day! Have a nice life! Have a nice death! Have a nice whatever! It’s nice to be nice to the nice." ~Major Frank Burns of M.A.S.H 4077 Sheesh, can't somebody shut this woman up! LoveAlways, Mazie Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. Click Here /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2002 Report Share Posted October 26, 2002 , "haarvi" <haarvi1@n...> wrote: > Hi Mazie, I just wanted to tell you how much I enjoyed this writing. I haven't been much in touch with my friend, Ed, of South Africa, but I am sending this along. I know you won't mind. There is a wonderful incantatory rhythm. So simple, so sublime. Thank you. Harvey DearHeart, Are you the very same Harvey i knew at Sandeep's "Yearning" forum? If so, i recall i funny little thing when you inadvertantly sent a private email to "Ed" about something i wrote, to the Yearning group. It was so Dear and i just loved it Harvey. Someone, i cannot recall who it was i was in dialogue with at the time, became a tiny tad of unhappy when you sent the email with their exchange in it. i just enjoyed all of it Dearest. Of course, send away and send freely anything i might ramble on and on about. Thanks for the friendship and all the play Dear. LoveAlways, Mazie ps - Do i know Ed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2002 Report Share Posted October 26, 2002 Hi Mazie, I'm happy you remember me. Yes there was a brouhaha when someone took exception to my forwarding posts from the Yearning list. By accident I sent one of your poems which I wanted to share with my friend Ed Katz back to the list. I had added some personal comments which gave me away. I was accused of a violation of the privacy of the list until you wrote in saying you had no objections, and Sandeep sent his opinion that we would be naive to think that our list postings had a guarantee of privacy. My carelessness was repeated once again and that time I was again embarrassed, particularly because of the exposure given to my commentary. But you again took the matter in chararcteristic good humor. Thank you for that. Ed Katz is a College English instructor in South Africa specializing in teaching writing. He and I met in New York many years ago and became good friends. He was always at least partly open to spiritual ideas and I enjoy trying to share with him my understanding as it develops. He has a wild and free manner in his personality and writing and I thought he would enjoy your spontaneity. You don't know him but he knows you fairly well through your poetry. Harvey - "mazie_l" <sraddha54 <> Saturday, October 26, 2002 11:55 AM Re: Who Am I? > , "haarvi" <haarvi1@n...> wrote: > > > Hi Mazie, > > I just wanted to tell you how much I enjoyed this writing. I > haven't been much in touch with my friend, Ed, of South Africa, but I > am sending this along. I know you won't mind. There is a wonderful > incantatory rhythm. So simple, so sublime. Thank you. > > Harvey > > > DearHeart, > > Are you the very same Harvey i knew at Sandeep's "Yearning" forum? > If so, i recall i funny little thing when you inadvertantly sent a > private email to "Ed" about something i wrote, to the Yearning group. > It was so Dear and i just loved it Harvey. Someone, i cannot recall > who it was i was in dialogue with at the time, became a tiny tad of > unhappy when you sent the email with their exchange in it. i just > enjoyed all of it Dearest. Of course, send away and send freely > anything i might ramble on and on about. Thanks for the friendship > and all the play Dear. > > LoveAlways, > > Mazie > ps - Do i know Ed? > > > > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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