Guest guest Posted November 9, 2000 Report Share Posted November 9, 2000 Hi Colette, Thank you for sharing your thought with us. Lovely poem. I strongly recommend also Bernadette Roberts'(contemporary Christian mystic living in the USA)"What is Self"? My best answer to your question about "seeing" nothing as everything: _______________________________ ABSOLUTE RELATIVITY Saturday, 04 November 2000 In my opinion, all that Madhyamika, Advaita and any other monistic or nihilistic philosophy "proves" is that nothing, not even I, exists INDEPENDENTLY of it's polar, dual "opposite", and that all such perceptual and conceptual "opposites" are actually complementaries, absolutely relative, and inseparably dependent on each other. It does not prove that NOTHING EXISTS, or that I am not, or that I do not (or I does not) exist. Nothing "depends" on everything, I "depend" on non-I, subject on objects, nonduality on duality, two on one, one on many, reality on illusion, presence on absence, eternity (timelessness) on time, sound on silence, existence on non-existence, beliefs on the absence of beliefs, being on becoming, absolute on relative, this on that… and vice versa. They all arise and disappear simultaneously, they cannot exist without each other. The "proof" of all this is right now and here, in these words and beyond all these words, in the HERE & NOW & THERE & THEN ALL THIS & THAT IS. All this which is and all that which is not is a "cosmic" paradox, and can best be "expressed" in paradoxes, or in silence. _____ Love, Ivan. , colette@b... wrote: > , "Ivan Frimmel" <ivanf@i...> wrote: > > VIA NEGATIVA > ? > Christianity has had the most eloquent exponents of the > > Via Negativa, expounding union with God through self-negation. > > Hi Ivan. I love these guys. > > St. John of the Cross > > 'Upon a darkened night the flame of love was burning in my breast. > And by a lantern bright I fled my house in quiet rest. > Shrouded by the night, and by the secret stair I fled. > > The veil concealed my eyes while all within all lay quiet as the dead. > Oh night thou was my guide, > Oh night more loving than the rising sun, > Oh night that joined the lover to the Beloved One, > Transforming them into each other. > > Upon that misty night, in secrecy beyond such mortal sight, > Without a guide, or light than that which burned so deeply in my heart. > That fire 'twas led me on and shone more bright than of the midday sun, > To where he waited still, it was a place where no one else would come.' > > I wrote one inspired by that a while ago. I would change it a lttle now. > > Light Within the Dark > > "In the silent darkness of my mind a new born light awakes, > Let go the fear of shadows within, let go and hug the space. > > For openness means Oneness, and fear trembles at the new, > Don't fight the flow, your pain will grow, for what you resist persists. > > Boundaries were my security, my identity safe within walls, > But now they've gone, who was I all along? ...No mother now to say. > > Oh, stillness is my mother now, the still and silent Heart, > Don't fight myself, surrender to light, it hides in darkest night. > > Accept the reflection, don't lose my protection, come see God is within, > Must learn to trust, surrender I must, to Heaven's invisible whim. > > It burns the deception of fear's misperception, opening my eyes anew, > Been born again. God's hidden gem, aflame scintillating, hue. > > The Universe is my mother now, my father, my Lover and child too, > I feel the glow, of Spirit's soul, awake and feeling new. > > > > ever-present creative "empty" space, field of infinite possibilities, > > the so-called Zero-Point Energy, Void. > > I now think of the no thing as pregnant with all possibilities which > we dream as we will, Being one with the All. > > Do you think of nothing as also being everything? > > Thanks for sharing, > > Col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2000 Report Share Posted November 9, 2000 , "Ivan Frimmel" <ivanf@i...> wrote: > Hi Colette, > > Thank you for sharing your thought with us. Lovely poem. > > I strongly recommend also Bernadette Roberts'(contemporary Christian > mystic living in the USA)"What is Self"? Hi Ivan. It's ok I am not particularly Christian. I guess I am everything ;-) I actually have most;y studied eastern Vedic Science & transcendental studies. (Exploration of consciousness & the structuring dynamics of the unified Self into forms). > > My best answer to your question about "seeing" nothing as everything: > _______________________________ > > ABSOLUTE RELATIVITY > Saturday, 04 November 2000 > > In my opinion, > all that Madhyamika, Advaita > and any other monistic or nihilistic philosophy "proves" is > that nothing, not even I, exists INDEPENDENTLY of it's polar, > dual "opposite", > and that all such perceptual and conceptual "opposites" are actually > complementaries, > absolutely relative, and inseparably dependent on each other. Yeah, I kind of came to that conclusion too. > > It does not prove that NOTHING EXISTS, > or that I am not, > or that I do not (or I does not) exist. Well zero point being everything or the source Self, seems to be nothing, yet is where everything arises from in my opinion. Kind of a cute unexpected joke! > > Nothing "depends" on everything, I think so too! Impersonal Being adores personal experience (of Self). One is just the other. Shiva loves Shakti. > I "depend" on non-I, > subject on objects, > nonduality on duality, > two on one, > one on many, > reality on illusion, > presence on absence, This is the one I like. Presence on absence. The absence is so funny .. big cosmic joke. > eternity (timelessness) on time, > sound on silence, > existence on non-existence, > beliefs on the absence of beliefs, > being on becoming, > absolute on relative, this on that… > and vice versa. > > They all arise and disappear simultaneously, > they cannot exist without each other. Yes I was wondering whether our absent Self actually 'depends' on our relative dreaming to evolve, delight, play, love. Yes Love, (unified, so can't be felt,) comes out to play, so can be felt! Feeling is glorious. Love tastes Self as the dancing relationship between absence & presence. > Love, > > Ivan. Right on Ivan. I like your answer. Peace, Col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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