Guest guest Posted November 20, 2000 Report Share Posted November 20, 2000 Self-awareness Perceptiveness absorbed in itself The perceiver of the perceiver of the perceiver of... Nonplussed ultra, or bewildered by non-phenomena, not taking place as witnessed by a non-ace. Perception "changes" the perceived, without quantum physics, not believed. The perceiver changing the perceiver by perceiving Seeing the play of Shiva-Shakti is quite relieving For mystics and scientists alike, perception is the key that many a philosopher can't see Love, Jan Attachment: (image/gif) Yogi1s.gif [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2000 Report Share Posted November 23, 2000 Dear Jan, Forgot to tell you how much I liked your picture and text. Your attempt at reiteration, or how shall we call it.... Remember, a few days ago in my "chocolate butter" recipe, I wrote about The Droste Cacao container with a picture of a nun or a nurse. She is carrying a tray that holds the same container with cacao. That container has a picture that shows the picture of the nun or nurse who holds a tray with that same cacao container which in turn has a picture of a nun or nurse who carries a tray with a container of cacao that has a picture of a ...... ad infinitum. As a young seven year old, I found that fascinating... Who knows without that very cacao container I would not have gotten what I have right now: hot chocolate. I definitely would not have gotten to where I am now... NOW HERE NO WHERE You replied to Colette:>>>It refers to the fact that when the "small I" is surrendered, which will happen by itself in the course of Self-enquiry, one becomes aware of an overwhelming Presence that (at that stage) is likely to be interpreted as "big I". It will almost compel writing of soul-inspiring, devotional works but most of the time one will be "blissed out", unable to perform more than the most basic duties <<< This is basically the same as what I realised when I was that young kid, except I remember that I went the other way around, was I perhaps still the "big I" and became aware of the small i? I did sing, skip and dance a lot, and was enormously innocent and devotional. (This realisation by the way happened after I had been so badly treated by that pastor, which violation I could, for one reason or another, so easily block out. Maybe I can find a depiction on the website of that Cacao company: http://www.droste.nl/uk/index.htm OK, here it is, it is not very clear but I hope you get the gist. Self-awareness Perceptiveness absorbed in itself The perceiver of the perceiver of the perceiver of... Nonplussed ultra, or bewildered by non-phenomena, not taking place as witnessed by a non-ace. Perception "changes" the perceived, without quantum physics, not believed. The perceiver changing the perceiver by perceiving Seeing the play of Shiva-Shakti is quite relieving For mystics and scientists alike, perception is the key that many a philosopher can't see Love, Jan Attachment: (image/gif) Yogi1s.gif [not stored] Attachment: (image/gif) cac_04.gif [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2000 Report Share Posted November 23, 2000 On 11/22/00 at 11:01 PM Wim Borsboom wrote: Dear Jan, Forgot to tell you how much I liked your picture and text. My pleasure Wim - inspiration came from Colette's post, the Shiva-Shakti poem. It shows that an active community is more than the sum of its members ) Your attempt at reiteration, or how shall we call it.... Remember, a few days ago in my "chocolate butter" recipe, I wrote about The Droste Cacao container with a picture of a nun or a nurse. She is carrying a tray that holds the same container with cacao. That container has a picture that shows the picture of the nun or nurse who holds a tray with that same cacao container which in turn has a picture of a nun or nurse who carries a tray with a container of cacao that has a picture of a ...... ad infinitum. As a young seven year old, I found that fascinating... Who knows without that very cacao container I would not have gotten what I have right now: hot chocolate. I definitely would not have gotten to where I am now... NOW HERE NO WHERE Being born in Holland, the picture of the cocoa container is quite familiar. The suggested repetition ad infinitum is a powerful image - rather indicative there is neither a beginning nor an end to manifestation. The "eternal Now", it is all there is. You replied to Colette:>>>It refers to the fact that when the "small I" is surrendered, which will happen by itself in the course of Self-enquiry, one becomes aware of an overwhelming Presence that (at that stage) is likely to be interpreted as "big I". It will almost compel writing of soul-inspiring, devotional works but most of the time one will be "blissed out", unable to perform more than the most basic duties <<< This is basically the same as what I realised when I was that young kid, except I remember that I went the other way around, was I perhaps still the "big I" and became aware of the small i? I did sing, skip and dance a lot, and was enormously innocent and devotional. (This realisation by the way happened after I had been so badly treated by that pastor, which violation I could, for one reason or another, so easily block out. It is possible but "what is interpreting and expressing" is always self, the responsiveness. The question, which "I" is aware of which" is invalid - both "I's" will disappear simultaneously, not even leaving a memory of them. So it is likely both arise simultaneously as well... But your story points to something that cannot be said loud enough: "Self-awareness in early youth is the 'normal' condition". The fact that it is "lost" is most deplorable. If it weren't lost, discussions on enlightenment would be superfluous - enlightenment being "default", the "light" of life, the play of perceptiveness and responsiveness being clear to everyone. Maybe I can find a depiction on the website of that Cacao company: http://www.droste.nl/uk/index.htm OK, here it is, it is not very clear but I hope you get the gist. The spot where the picture was supposed to be was empty - could be because I'm using a different E-mail program. But it was "etched" in memory many years ago - it's a classic. Love, Jan Attachment: (image/gif) YOGI1S.GIF [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2000 Report Share Posted November 26, 2000 , "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote: > > On 11/22/00 at 11:01 PM Wim Borsboom wrote: Dear Friends, > NOW HERE > NO WHERE I like that. > You replied to Colette: > >>>It refers to the fact that when the "small I" is surrendered, which will happen by itself in the course of Self-enquiry, one becomes aware of an overwhelming Presence that (at that stage) is likely to be interpreted as "big I". haha What about Eye? > It will almost compel writing of soul-inspiring, devotional works but most of the time one will be "blissed out", unable to perform more than the most basic duties <<< Hmmm. > It is possible but "what is interpreting and expressing" is always self, the responsiveness. The question, which "I" is aware of which" is invalid I just wanted to step in here & say that in my opinion both are the same one. And even both can collaborate together to recreate, so as to not rescript through the lens of the past. One is formless awareness & the other is the filter through form. One has no form & the other does ~ yet they are both the same consciousness. Just how it seems to me, love, Colette > Love, > Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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