Perception etc / Jan

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On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 01:12:09 jb wrote:

>You're lucky - jobs in timesharing aren't very popular here. It's a kind of

con-job, based on

>influencing the mind in the "desired direction" and since my stay here, several

laws against those

>practices have been made.

 

Judging from the spiel the hirer gave me, I can believe that. It sounded

decidedly fishy.

>But for Scandinavians, winter here isn't extreme because the sun is about as

>high in the sky as in the South of Scandinavia at the end of June. To my

experience, a yogic body (active

>K.) will adapt very fast to the climate and if what you describe (LOL) as

"corpse body" means lean or

>skinny, the high temperatures in summer will go unnoticed. Only "flabby frames"

will suffer, even if

>native )

 

The height of the sun there in winter does sound bliss inducing.

I'd better hijack a plane and get down there.

 

In the meantime, I'll continue to do as the song says: "Shaking my skinny fists

at heaven". In the downpour.

>From the perspective of physiology, a "wiping out" is hard to understand indeed

but it can be "guessed" from

>the scriptures and experience, that transformation doesn't mean annihilation of

sensations in the sense

>of nothingness or void, but that ultimately, all sensations will "drown" in the

joy of Being. It makes

>a lot of sense because otherwise one would have to explain a simple act like

drinking a cup of tea

>without sensory feedback. Nature has to be simple

 

Aye to that. Nature wastes nothing and nothing that is not energetically sound

will be propagated in the species. Including the natural state.

 

I see your point about the senses becoming suffused with awareness and this then

drowning out the signals from the body and chakras. This is what seems to happen

when the body sensation goes, or parts of it. It feels like the mind simply

forgets to pay attention to the body, or rather, falls down to such a level of

relaxation and unconcernedness, awareness now just tending to itself and being

content with that.

How nice that this seems to be the natural way to be, a tension free way of

being.

>I could divide the downward flow into distinct phases and each phase does end

with an almost zeroed physical

>sensitivity, so each time I thought physical sensations would come to an end

But each time

>sensitivity returned, more or less in the sense of a flower that folds during

the night and unfolds when

>the sun has risen. Yet there was a change each time, in the sense of feeling

becoming more subtle and

>dislikes evaporating.

 

Fascinating. And a nice image.

 

I know what you mean about the process having to take several turns to effect

lasting change and that these changes seem to have been done behind the back of

the mind, while it was occupied with more obvious events.

It is a good thing the changes happen when the mind has its back turned, or no

changes would ever happen, I'm afraid.

>That's a good analogy - the "lowest" chakras forming the shoreline - they are

reflectors until the wind

>becomes too strong to notice them. And the wind does increase in strength -

this can be understood in the

>sense that selfish tendencies (K. blocks) are sequentially "burnt" and some are

quite strong.

 

High tide.

 

I really recognize what you say about the energy picking up speed as it goes and

doing a sequential burning, from less strong tendencies to stronger ones.

>That's a very good suggestion indeed - even if one doesn't practice asanas, in

the course of events, K.

>will suddenly remove the major part of (hidden) tension from the muscles and

that could explain the

>release of an electrical charge. Since such a "major" event, I can sit or lie

down in "impossible" poses for

>quite a long time without any discomfort or fatigue... Not my observation but

from an "uninformed"

>relative

 

Yes, maybe we have found a workable explanation for the strong electrical

charges. I doubt it's workable as an idea for a natural power plant, though.

 

 

Love,

 

Amanda.

 

 

 

 

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On 11/21/00 at 7:17 PM mumble cat wrote:

 

ºOn Sat, 18 Nov 2000 01:12:09 jb wrote:

º

º>You're lucky - jobs in timesharing aren't very popular here. It's a kind of

con-job, based on

º>influencing the mind in the "desired direction" and since my stay here,

several laws against those

º>practices have been made.

º

º Judging from the spiel the hirer gave me, I can believe that. It sounded

decidedly fishy.

 

Oh it can be worse than that. Some who were lured into such a job and couldn't

silence their conscience, had no choice but to become beggars, having no source

of income.

º

º>But for Scandinavians, winter here isn't extreme because the sun is about as

º>high in the sky as in the South of Scandinavia at the end of June. To my

experience, a yogic body (active

º>K.) will adapt very fast to the climate and if what you describe (LOL) as

"corpse body" means lean or

º>skinny, the high temperatures in summer will go unnoticed. Only "flabby

frames" will suffer, even if

º>native )

º

ºThe height of the sun there in winter does sound bliss inducing.

ºI'd better hijack a plane and get down there.

 

I remember you mentioning the prohibitive cost of joining the summer retreat.

Getting here is a lot less expensive and with a little bit of luck, a return

ticket is under $200. For a yogi, a free stay in my somewhat uncomfortable shed

won't be a problem, for me, it would be a joy

º

ºIn the meantime, I'll continue to do as the song says: "Shaking my skinny fists

at heaven". In the downpour.

 

Here has been quite a downpour too, people had to flee their cars to escape from

drowning and in one room I even could take a shower, coming through the ceiling

º

º>From the perspective of physiology, a "wiping out" is hard to understand

indeed but it can be "guessed" from

º>the scriptures and experience, that transformation doesn't mean annihilation

of sensations in the sense

º>of nothingness or void, but that ultimately, all sensations will "drown" in

the joy of Being. It makes

º>a lot of sense because otherwise one would have to explain a simple act like

drinking a cup of tea

º>without sensory feedback. Nature has to be simple

º

ºAye to that. Nature wastes nothing and nothing that is not energetically sound

will be propagated in the species. Including the natural state.

 

Most certainly. The natural state IS natural and humans are "wired up" to

"realize" it at an early age - recognition of the real nature doesn't require

intelligence, insight or learning. At a young age, recognition will prevent the

further build up of conditioning and that improves learning the "skills for

living". The sense of "I and you" being burnt out at age between twenty to

thirty, leaves a long and happy life to be lived...

º

ºI see your point about the senses becoming suffused with awareness and this

then drowning out the signals from the body and chakras. This is what seems to

happen when the body sensation goes, or parts of it. It feels like the mind

simply forgets to pay attention to the body, or rather, falls down to such a

level of relaxation and unconcernedness, awareness now just tending to itself

and being content with that.

ºHow nice that this seems to be the natural way to be, a tension free way of

being.

 

In a certain way this ties in with domestication. Well treated pets can be far

more relaxed than their brethren, living in the wild - the conditioning of

having to take care of staying physically alive is a tension, even when

constrained to the unconscious. Moksha/nirvana didn't become an issue in

societies where physically staying alive was the major concern.

º

º>I could divide the downward flow into distinct phases and each phase does end

with an almost zeroed physical

º>sensitivity, so each time I thought physical sensations would come to an end

But each time

º>sensitivity returned, more or less in the sense of a flower that folds during

the night and unfolds when

º>the sun has risen. Yet there was a change each time, in the sense of feeling

becoming more subtle and

º>dislikes evaporating.

º

º Fascinating. And a nice image.

 

There is more to it. Nirvana could be translated by "making cool by blowing",

indicating the demise of desires. But to whom do these desires pertain? To the

virtual entity, "I". Once absent, the desires are absent too, but natural

responsiveness remains - nature (Shakti) abhors both zombies and meddlers. She

"wants" things to happen "her" way... Knowing this, one can understand why no

ascetic will preach asceticism

º

ºI know what you mean about the process having to take several turns to effect

lasting change and that these changes seem to have been done behind the back of

the mind, while it was occupied with more obvious events.

ºIt is a good thing the changes happen when the mind has its back turned, or no

changes would ever happen, I'm afraid.

 

Yes, the sad thing is, Western society put a lot of effort in fortifying the

sense of "I" and this sense gives rise to fear - on the NDS there has been a

thread where it was even postulated, the sense of "I" and fear are synonymous.

So diverting the attention from the "inner alchemy" is rather important - only a

few events will demand attention by themselves.

º

º>That's a good analogy - the "lowest" chakras forming the shoreline - they are

reflectors until the wind

º>becomes too strong to notice them. And the wind does increase in strength -

this can be understood in the

º>sense that selfish tendencies (K. blocks) are sequentially "burnt" and some

are quite strong.

º

º High tide.

º

ºI really recognize what you say about the energy picking up speed as it goes

and doing a sequential burning, from less strong tendencies to stronger ones.

 

It can also be understood. As nature is simple, the "mechanism" to burn out the

minor tendencies is the same as that for strong tendencies. So there is

something that can be recognized and recognizing a "block" is 90% of its

removal.

º

º>That's a very good suggestion indeed - even if one doesn't practice asanas, in

the course of events, K.

º>will suddenly remove the major part of (hidden) tension from the muscles and

that could explain the

º>release of an electrical charge. Since such a "major" event, I can sit or lie

down in "impossible" poses for

º>quite a long time without any discomfort or fatigue... Not my observation but

from an "uninformed"

º>relative

º

ºYes, maybe we have found a workable explanation for the strong electrical

charges. I doubt it's workable as an idea for a natural power plant, though.

º

º

ºLove,

º

ºAmanda.

 

The efficiency of nature in generating, transforming and utilizing energy is

quite impressive - I think the major part of the "how" still has to be

discovered. That's why short term commercialism is rather sad - engineering

plants, to be used for fuel and raw organic material, able to grow very fast, at

full sea, would be a nice job and probably take a long time, so uninteresting in

a "fast profit" society...

 

Love,

Jan