Guest guest Posted November 25, 2000 Report Share Posted November 25, 2000 Hello How many light year degrees of separation are there between being in a concentration camp and reading email from German people who, while never directly involved with the Holocaust, have, through family and national intimacies, suffered its effects? Yet it is not until now that I can review the emails from that month of October and organize a few of them into articles. If there is such a delay in facing these emails, there's no surprise that decades might pass before individuals could face the direct horrors of the concentration camps, or before their family members, children and grandchildren could face them; and there is no surprise that years might pass before one can face being part of a family and a nation which could be mobilised to inflict those horrors. Perhaps the Germans involved in this email series are for the first time in their lives telling the world about what they call their national shame. However, there is no sense being on the nonduality lists if one cannot see, even on a far horizon, the questions arising: Who does not live in that family and nation? Who was not mobilised?' Who did not inflict and suffer? And there is no sense in thinking we westerners are hearing the Germans at all, if we muffle the wails of the Indian Nation or of the Vietnamese. The first article is this series features Ellie Seidel, who is from Germany, and it is entitled I Do Not Wany To Stay On a Plateau Called 'There Is No I'. "Without feelings there is even a very dry enlightenment. When I hear some of the western young lions asking "Who has these problems? Who is suffering?" I do not smell the flavour, I feel something is missing. "I love the Sufis, I love the poems of Rumi. I love these songs, singing of the Beloved. And my heart wants to join in these songs. And there are lions who sing just now!!!!!!" --Ellie Seidel If not here and now, Ellie, at least on the far horizon. I hope these articles on the German Way or German experience can move a person not away from suffering, but away from separation, by becoming intimate with separation, and toward a very big and very nearly impossible celebration. You'll find the article at <http://www.nonduality.com/1123es.htm> Thanks, Jerry Katz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2000 Report Share Posted November 25, 2000 , umbada@n... wrote: > The first article is this series features Ellie Seidel, who > is from Germany, and it is entitled I Do Not Wany To Stay On > a Plateau Called 'There Is No I'. > > "Without feelings there is even a very dry enlightenment. > When I hear some of the western young lions asking "Who has > these problems? Who is suffering?" I do not smell the > flavour, I feel something is missing. Sure, that point of view is understood from here. But suffering is not denied as unreal, just *unnecessary*. Many who suffer, do so because they like it -- or are so used to it, they know nothing else, and think that to let go of the suffering entity is dryness, dullness. Suffering makes people feel alive. Many live for the flow of adrenaline. Following in the path of the pain/pleasure cycle, "feelings" exist against a background of depression, momentarily relieved by brief happiness. Take a look at the current worldwide epidemic of depression, finally recognized by the psychiatric community. Those who suffer in blind ignorance deserve the utmost compassion. Those who suffer knowingly deserve what they get. They get what they want, which is continuation of suffering. The only solution to suffering is to allow the "suffering entity" to drop. Otherwise, suffering is *inherent* in the human condition. Buddha was Awake to that. Most people will rail against the end of suffering. It's all they know. To forgo suffering is to step out of the familiar prison cell into utterly unknown territory. Easier to turn on the TV set and forget for a few hours, or to be a workaholic and lose oneself in work. Everyone is trying to "lose oneself" in this or that. Most succeed. The NOW presents us all with the opportunity, NOW and NOW and NOW, to drop the entirety of "past" and BE, HERE, NOW. Until that is a reality, there is total blindness to the absolute peace and bliss of dropping the notion of "past." If "past" drops (the clinging to memory, the addiction to memory and its accomplice, "future anticipation"), that is Freedom, that is Rebirth, that is Peace. MOST OF THE WORLD WANTS **ANYTHING BUT*** THESE THINGS!! Those who have not intuited, speak without the slightest idea or notion of what it can be like, speaking from a position of ignorance. OF COURSE it appears dry, dull from that point of view. To a cocaine addict, freedom from active addiction also appears dry, dull, boring, and the addict wonders why the rest of the world isn't using this glorious substance. So it is too for those addicted to the pain/pleasure cycle (suffering), and to destroying the experience of Presence (Now) by alternately existing in the past/future, endlessly alternating. If there are those who wish to bitterly suffer the affects of the Holocaust years later, then let them suffer, perhaps they even deserve their suffering because they knowingly and purposefully cling to "past." This is not dryness or cruelty, simply realism. Those who "choose" to live in the past are in bondage of their own making, and are very obviously enjoying their suffering, the endless perpetuation of past. The Jewish saying "never to forgive, never to forget" (or however it goes) indicates that very clearly. The human race DOES NOT WANT PEACE, does not want an end to suffering. If it did, it would end it, NOW. Rather, what is desired is the constant adrenaline flow, the addictions and the pleasures and pains. "Ignorance is bliss." Namaste, Tim [mother's side of the family is Jewish] ----- You pray for peace, you pray for love, you pray for others... Why do you never pray that you won't need to pray anymore? Tim's Websites -- WWW Hub: http://core.vdirect.net Spiritual: http://coresite.cjb.net Radio Site: http://swlinks.webalias.com Shareware: http://tshareware.webjump.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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