I am the cause and the effect of my being

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Hi Tim

 

What I am about to write may sound rather strong to you, you may even

totally disagree with it. Well, that might just be the reason why I write

this :-)

I would like to ask you though that you attempt to understand what *I*

mean...

 

Usually a reader thinks

that the writer meant

what the reader understood.

 

I would not want you to fall into that trap.

 

You do not have to defend what *you* know. There is plenty much written on

that already and you would just be repeating it. I already knew what you

know... as I went through a similar stage as you are in at the moment. One

has to cut through that, and one will...

 

'If it will happen, it has already happened' (after Nisargadatta)

True, but that is not what this is about.

 

It is pretty tough though, to cut through the stage that you (and the

Nisargadattas of this world are in), as it has do with an 'interim' or

almost 'pseudo enlightenment'.

 

By the way, I did not receive an answer yet on the email I send you a few

days ago about the analysis of your self portrait pictures on your website,

Tim smiling and Tim Serious.

 

You wrote:

>> I think "he" has kind of a strange smile :-).

>> Actually, that's a strange picture...

>> I don't know why I zoomed in so close up when

>> editing it for the Web.

 

I answered:

> I think you "he" (Tim) did it for me (Wim).

> I took some liberty with

> your two self portraits as they are just the kind of

> pictures I use in my work. One serious, one smiling

> version of yourself. Please read the attachment and

> see what I did. (* not included here*, Wim)

> Pretty interesting. I hope you understand

> I mean this very positively.

> Now if you agree I would like to send this attachment

(*not done yet*, Wim)

> to the satsangh list members,

> as I think that there is some neat work people

> can do with their own pictures. Of course that is not

> something we are supposed to do but then who

> is doing the supposing.... :-)

 

Tim wrote to Amanda:

> I can only quote Nisargadatta: "How can time help you?"

 

I'm not in favour at all of the kind of enlightenment messages that

Nisargadatta comes up with.

He suffers from a pathology that produces a certain set of 'interim' or even

'pseudo enlightenment' insights that support the usual illusion/delusion

paradigm.

In some previous posts I went deeply into that. (20 and 21 of November)

> Time is utterly subjective and ultimately illusory.

> The sense of time depends entirely on memory.

 

I have written before in my posts how time/space come about... not based on

insights but based on experience... , direct knowledge, science even.

form=emptiness=form=emptiness

You may want to wade through some of that material. Use the keywords 'time'

or 'space'.

www./A+collection+of+Wims+posts

 

Amanda wrote:

> There is in the spiritual process a natural process

> of healing the wounds from the past, of unravelling

> old conflicts from the personal history and realising

> they are not needed to be carried around.

 

Tim answers:

> We *ARE* what we *ARE*

> always, where is the "process" in I AM or Presence?

 

In the New Testament Jesus is quoted to a have said certain words in Aramaic

that are usually translated as "I AM". In Eastern traditions words like I AM

THAT etc. are used. Jesus said something closer to "I am being" or "I am the

being". In fact what he said was cryptic enough that it also can be

translated as "I am being been", which comes down to this (and each of us

discovers this):

"I am the cause and the effect of my being."

 

There is process in that, the epitome of process.

Of course there is more to that....

 

Love,

Wim

 

"Indirect knowledge gathered from books or teachers can never emancipate a

person until its truth is investigated, applied, experimented with and

experienced. Only direct, factual and actual realization does that. Realize

your whole self, reintegrate your mind and body." - Tripura Rahasya, 18: 89

[Guest guest]

, "Wim Borsboom" <aurasphere@h...>

wrote:

> "I am the cause and the effect of my being."

> Love,

> Wim

 

I agree with you Wim. Seeing is creative. That is why it is important

to take responsibility. What you see is your Self.

 

love,

 

Col