Guest guest Posted November 26, 2000 Report Share Posted November 26, 2000 On Sat, 25 Nov 2000 21:50:55 Jessica White wrote: Jess: >:As I have posted here before, it seems as though I am straddling two worlds >:~ so I can understand that at a certain level ( taken out of context) >denial >:of the body could be, as you say, classified as a behavioural disorder. But >:then again, in 'my own' journey, letting go of what was once a way I >viewed >:this world is now appropriate. Hi Jess, Maybe you would like to share more with us about this letting go of the identification with the body ? Jan: >When invaluable, that is another indication of the deplorable state society >is in: when happy, the issue of "body real or unreal" wouldn't arise, yet >the demise of the body would be accepted as a "normal" fact of nature as it >always has been in so called "primitive" societies, familiar with "enlightenment". Hummm... I share your views on the dissolution and memory issue, Jan. Slowly, the body is seen as being a part of nature and seeing that the signals it sends out such as demands for water, food, sleep, rest etc are not inconveniences for a 12 hour work day in modern society, but natural expressions for optimal (non volitional) performance and Self expression. And I find this view on the question of the body in "primitive socities" very interesting indeed. Are you thinking about ideas such as the Native American and indigenous peoples of South America's Great Spirit ? Love, Amanda. Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2000 Report Share Posted November 26, 2000 On 11/26/00 at 10:00 AM mumble cat wrote: [...] ºJan: º º>When invaluable, that is another indication of the deplorable state society º>is in: when happy, the issue of "body real or unreal" wouldn't arise, yet º>the demise of the body would be accepted as a "normal" fact of nature as it º>always has been in so called "primitive" societies, familiar with "enlightenment". º ºHummm... I share your views on the dissolution and memory issue, Jan. Slowly, the body is seen as being a part of nature and seeing that the signals it sends out such as demands for water, food, sleep, rest etc are not inconveniences for a 12 hour work day in modern society, but natural expressions for optimal (non volitional) performance and Self expression. To my knowledge, the dissolution can go as far as something called "awake while asleep", denoting that the need for sleep no longer can be felt and as a result sleep is no more. The statement "witness to whatever happens" becomes rather literal then - witnessing the dissolution of the mind-body until functionality ceases. However, physiologically that seems to be impossible - sleep is a rather basic requirement. º ºAnd I find this view on the question of the body in "primitive socities" very interesting indeed. º ºAre you thinking about ideas such as the Native American and indigenous peoples of South America's Great Spirit ? Once I posted some of the lectures from a Polynesian chief - he could see that the missionaries were bringing the "light" from a book but didn't have the "light" in their heart. His message to the tribe was that ultimately "the way of the white man" would make his brothers and sisters very unhappy. The symbology of a "higher Self" is present in the Americas and K. is known in Africa but no traces of renunciation or "path". And India too has known an era where renunciation wasn't the issue it has become... Most funny was a documentary on Indians living in Amazonia. For them, the "way of the white man" was utterly unnatural too - they were laughing their ass off when confronted with Germans in a cinema. They couldn't believe people to be so stupid as to enjoy illusion instead of "real life", whatever the "content of real life". Love, Jan º º º ºLove, º ºAmanda. º º º º ºAngelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com º º º// º ºAll paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. º ºTo from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at º www., and select the User Center link from the menu bar º on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription º between digest and normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2000 Report Share Posted November 27, 2000 - "mumble cat" <mumblecat Sunday, November 26, 2000 10:00 AM WEI WU WEI'S WAY / Jess Jess: edit ....But then again, in 'my own' journey, letting go of what was once a way I viewed this world is now appropriate. > Hi Jess, > > Maybe you would like to share more with us about this letting go of the identification with the body ? > Hi Amanda & All, (Words are tricky/sticky but I''ll try.) As long as there is identification with a body/mind there will be problems. Guess this body/mind has been taken through enough of the 'track', to where Awareness has shone ~ coming to this place is just the next part of the track/the view from here. Anything I could say about what "i've" done to let go would be nothing more than an egoic deluded statement. But, what 'appears' to have happened is that in the midst of extreme suffering, coupled with 'meeting' and an instantaneous, inexplicable love for Robert, there was an intuitive recognition that he was the embodiment of Love & Wisdom. This allowed for the acceptance of his (paradoxical/contradictory) words, which have proven helpful to quiet the mind , but perhaps even more than that is a resonance that happens. His admonition was "do whatever it takes to get into the Silence". So from a certain standpoint, applying what he/Self gave (in the dream) worked/works to lift Maya (momentarily) and what is, is ~ beyond words. And now, going back to being 'involved' in this world the way I used to; viewing this world/others the way I used to, serves (feels) like a ball and chain that keeps me tethered to Maya and taking the acting as serious! ; ) As Michael would say, HEEHEE, HAHA, HOHO! Love, ~jessica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2000 Report Share Posted November 27, 2000 "Jessica White" wrote: snip > So from a certain standpoint, applying what he/Self gave (in the dream) worked/works to lift Maya (momentarily) and what is, is ~ beyond words. And now, going back to being 'involved' in this world the way I used to; viewing this world/others the way I used to, serves (feels) like a ball and chain that keeps me tethered to Maya and taking the acting as serious! ; ) > > As Michael would say, > HEEHEE, HAHA, HOHO! > > Love, > ~jessica Lovely laughter! How what you say resonates! Do you find that it is almost impossible to return to that former way of existance? The old patterns are still 'there'; observable, part of the human experience. The glue that bound them to 'me' is dissolved. That glue could be described as, oh, I don't know - ego? That attachement to the self importance of 'my' being. When that dissolving happened. Wow! I was there all along. Did 'I' do it? No, not really. Did it just happen? No, not really. There was this 'desire' to know. There was this realization that I had to stop anticipating what would happen. There developed a complete openess to being. What happened? Uh, well, that's hard to describe. At least in a way that someone else could read and then say' "Oh! So that's what you do!" There was a great peacefullness, the 'world' disappeared into 'light' and conciousness. When things 'reappeared' the joy remained and the awareness also has remained. Now, from time to time things still have a tendency to disappear. But, I would be lying if I said that the so-called ups and downs of life have ceased. Or, that I don't have to make choices about the 'situations' that arise. I am, after all, only a mortal person. heeheehee! And that's a good thing! We all are beautiful expressions of the infinite joy of being. HAHAHAH and HOHOHO! Peace - Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2000 Report Share Posted November 28, 2000 "Michael Read" wrote: > Lovely laughter! > How what you say resonates! > > Do you find that it is almost impossible to return to that > former way of existance? > Jess: > almost impossible but at times I get hooked like a fish and when I do it's soon to be hangover time! But at times Awareness shines on that ~ umm ~ 'silly idiot' performing with great panache and it's always an Academy Award performance!!! edit Michael: > But, I would be lying if I said that the so-called ups and downs of > life have ceased. Jess: Doesn't seem to be in the cards for a 'human'. Surfing is the only way out! : ) Michael: Or, that I don't have to make choices about the > 'situations' that arise. I am, after all, only a mortal person. > Jess: eh ??? Michael: heeheehee! > And that's a good thing! > > We all are beautiful expressions of the infinite joy of being. > > HAHAHAH and HOHOHO! > > Peace - Michael > > Thanks for the fun Michael. Nice meeting you : ) Love, ~jessica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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