Guest guest Posted November 26, 2000 Report Share Posted November 26, 2000 , "Wim Borsboom" <aurasphere@h...> wrote: > You have no reason to love yourself, > because you don't need a reason to love yourself. I think there's a reason to love self .. that is because we have been conditioned to not love self. Through unloving thoughts we manifest self betrayal & self abuse. Whatever we think about ourself effects our life. If we self judge we turn upon ourselves. God beating up on God ain't pretty. Some project that conflict on others. That isn't pretty either. That is why we must take responsibility for what we see/be. IMO love, Col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2000 Report Share Posted November 26, 2000 Dear Colette, Re: You have no reason to love yourself There were actually some additional lines that I decided not to include in the post, in order to have the lines that I did post stand out more. I posted: > You have no reason to love yourself, > because you don't need a reason to love yourself. I was originally going to send: You have no reason to love yourself, because you don't need a reason to love yourself. You have no reason to hate yourself, because that hatred comes from someone else who unfairly blamed you for their hatred. You wrote: > I think there's a reason to love self .. that is because we have been > conditioned to not love self. Through unloving thoughts we > manifest self betrayal & self abuse. Whatever we think about ourself > effects our life. If we self judge we turn upon ourselves. God beating > up on God ain't pretty. Some project that conflict on others. That > isn't pretty either. That is why we must take responsibility for what > we see/be. Part of your first line is especially important... >.... that is because we have been conditioned to not love self.... Now read your following line with your above one in mind >Through unloving thoughts we manifest self betrayal & self abuse I think it would be good to rethink that sentence. This "self betrayal & self abuse" originated with others who *betrayed and abused us*, while forcing *us* to take responsibility for *their* acts. As in: "You had it coming, you asked for it, you only have yourself to blame." They, the perpetrators of betrayal and abuse, did not even give you the freedom *not* to take responsibility. The culprits always and immediately blame their victims, it is part and parcel of their heinous acts. Then, (they always come back later) they tell you that it was your choice to accept blame and responsibility. They even put *that* on you ... a double whammy. Like a judge who lets a rapist go free and blames the woman for being raped because she was wearing a short skirt. Like the same judge who decides that her suffering was her own choice, as she could have enjoyed the act if she would have just surrendered to it. Like the same judge who decides that there was no rape and no rapist, just a woman who has a hard time loving the man who could not help but loving her... but... she resisted that love. A tripple whammy! One could say that your sentence: " That is why we must take responsibility for what we see/be." comes originally from such a judge. We have to get rid of such judges,their decisions and sentences. They take decisions out of our hands but tell us that that is our choice. If we cannot make up our minds they will do it for us. These judges play *god* but blame us for our *own creation*. No wonder we have difficulties. We have to find and identify the perpetrators of betrayal and abuse, analyse and eventually understand their actions. Part of that is *initially* to put blame where it belongs, where it came from, from whom it came. I had to return my self-recriminations to my father, my brother, the pastor, my uncle, my mother, the overseeer of that sanatorium, a monk in that monastery. I had to understand the dynamics of their actions and eventually and unexpectedly... compassion came in... It always will, I found out, when we are willing to fully understand. This is the way we will eventually compassionately free ourselves from unfair self blame, self betrayal and self abuse. Compassion heals all ways, inwardly and outwardly, the inflictor and the inflicted. Love, Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2000 Report Share Posted November 26, 2000 , "Wim Borsboom" <aurasphere@h...> wrote: > Dear Colette, Dear Wim, much love. This is such a precious topic. > > Re: You have no reason to love yourself > > There were actually some additional lines that I decided not to include in > the post, in order to have the lines that I did post stand out more. > > I posted: > > You have no reason to love yourself, > > because you don't need a reason to love yourself. > > I was originally going to send: > You have no reason to love yourself, > because you don't need a reason to love yourself. > You have no reason to hate yourself, > because that hatred comes from someone else > who unfairly blamed you for their hatred. > > You wrote: > > I think there's a reason to love self .. that is because we have been > > conditioned to not love self. Through unloving thoughts we > > manifest self betrayal & self abuse. Whatever we think about ourself > > effects our life. If we self judge we turn upon ourselves. God beating > > up on God ain't pretty. Some project that conflict on others. That > > isn't pretty either. That is why we must take responsibility for what > > we see/be. > > Part of your first line is especially important... > >.... that is because we have been conditioned to not love self.... > > Now read your following line with your above one in mind > >Through unloving thoughts we manifest self betrayal & self abuse > > I think it would be good to rethink that sentence. I will explain why I wrote it like that Wim. I am aware that we are abused by conditioning. Raped & abused minds. Yes :-) Beautiful innocent children .. > This "self betrayal & self abuse" originated with others who *betrayed and > abused us*, while forcing *us* to take responsibility for *their* acts. Yes so sad. I feel compassion for my mother who was lost in that projection (hating herself yet transferring it cruelly). Yet she began meditation first. Led us right into it after Catholic indoctrination she had been bombarded with. I was fortunate to meet her essence before she died & knew we both played roles for these lessons. I embraced psychology as did my brother. Mum hadn't, though she had embraced transcendence. Transcendence is not enough Wim, & yet I hear the many argue just drop psyche & body mind after transcendence, cause you haven't a choice. Not true. A transcended individual mind, is cosmic mind & creative source of dreaming. IMO The programmed self hasn't a choice but the unconditioned mind has. Source ~ I Am. As > in: "You had it coming, you asked for it, you only have yourself to blame." I mean it like this :-) I do believe that perhaps we come here to overturn these centuries of abuse. We chose to come & help bring light to our Earth Mother's body (Self). And in the doing we have to discover that no matter what conditioning we receive that when the perpetarotors are dead or gone, then whose mind is still beating themself up with self abuse? Then we have to decide do we deserve this? Are we still actually thinking these horrendous thoughts? How many are actualy conscious that they do? They hide so deep & silent. Hidden. Yet consciousness shines the light & when we are ready (& it takes some time to be strong enough to face) then we will see what thought patterns we do think! Wow what a surprise. Just like what Holly was talking about. > They, the perpetrators of betrayal and abuse, did not even give you the > freedom *not* to take responsibility. The culprits always and immediately > blame their victims, it is part and parcel of their heinous acts. Then, > (they always come back later) they tell you that it was your choice to > accept blame and responsibility. They even put *that* on you ... a double > whammy. Dear sweet one they are lost in the dream (nightmare, turned aganst themself). What parent would actually willingly choose to abuse their child's mind via projection? > > Like a judge who lets a rapist go free and blames the woman for being raped > because she was wearing a short skirt. Don't worry I have stood up to both my parents when I deemed them ready & spoke to either their higher self or self, & set boundaries. (One I helped set free. We are divinely aligned. We set the whole line free. Our 'bodies' are joined.) We are all joined. Some we are conscious of .. others .. ? Conditional trapped love is coming from trapped God sparks. When we wake to the lie then we can rescript the planetary DREAM. :-) Like the same judge who decides that > her suffering was her own choice, as she could have enjoyed the act if she > would have just surrendered to it. Like the same judge who decides that > there was no rape and no rapist, just a woman who has a hard time loving the > man who could not help but loving her... but... she resisted that love. > A tripple whammy! No sweetie I just take responsibility for what may still lay hiding in my psyche as distorting though patterns & make conscious, then rescript the play (my Dreaming). I have Aboriginal ancestry. What we dream effects Mother earth & her children the animals & plants & minerals. Maybe she is dreaming us, for all I know:-) As one with All we have infinite possibilities at our disposal with which to create the Dreaming .. > > One could say that your sentence: " That is why we must take responsibility > for what we see/be." comes originally from such a judge. No sweetie. Sorry if it sounds like that:-) I do believe that until we wake up, then we choose ignorantly to keep scripting the self hatred. It is our choice though. No blame here. No condemnation. We don't know that is what is happening. It's all a special process of God hiding from Self;-)))) so as to really delight in meeting SELF haha! The contrast makes the bliss brighter & more ecstatic. > > We have to get rid of such judges,their decisions and sentences. Is observation ok? Witnesing & discernment? Now sweetie we must not cop out & still blame the perpetrators when WE choose to keep scripting from that past in the present. That is the illusion. It is not real. Just thought, we beat ourselves up with:-) My mother had died I could no longer blame her. They take > decisions out of our hands but tell us that that is our choice. If we cannot > make up our minds they will do it for us. > These judges play *god* but blame us for our *own creation*. > > No wonder we have difficulties. > > We have to find and identify the perpetrators of betrayal and abuse, analyse > and eventually understand their actions. Part of that is *initially* to put > blame where it belongs, where it came from, from whom it came. > I had to return my self-recriminations to my father, my brother, the pastor, > my uncle, my mother, the overseeer of that sanatorium, a monk in that > monastery. I had to understand the dynamics of their actions and eventually > and unexpectedly... compassion came in... It always will, I found out, when > we are willing to fully understand. > This is the way we will eventually compassionately free ourselves from > unfair self blame, self betrayal and self abuse. > Compassion heals all ways, inwardly and outwardly, the inflictor and the > inflicted. Love to you Wimsical minstrel, Col > > Love, > Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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