Guest guest Posted November 26, 2000 Report Share Posted November 26, 2000 You have no reason to hate yourself, because that hatred comes from someone else who unfairly blamed you for their hatred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2000 Report Share Posted November 26, 2000 On 11/26/00 at 12:14 PM Wim Borsboom wrote: You have no reason to hate yourself, because that hatred comes from someone else who unfairly blamed you for their hatred. Dear Wim, Can a reason be found for anything at all? Doesn't a perceived cause but point to the cause of that cause of...? And isn't a feeling a response to a perception (stimulus)? Whatever is perceived to be happening, does so on its own accord. Responses are occurring on their own accord too - the sense of doership is false. So what is left, but to perceive one's response, instead of perpetuating the illusion of involvement with both perceptions and responses...? Love, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2000 Report Share Posted November 26, 2000 , "Wim Borsboom" <aurasphere@h...> wrote: > You have no reason to hate yourself, > because that hatred comes from someone else > who unfairly blamed you for their hatred. So true! :-) Oh if only we can awake to free our line. Blessings, Col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2000 Report Share Posted November 26, 2000 , "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote: > > > > On 11/26/00 at 12:14 PM Wim Borsboom wrote: > You have no reason to hate yourself, > because that hatred comes from someone else > who unfairly blamed you for their hatred. > > Dear Wim, > > Can a reason be found for anything at all? Doesn't a perceived cause but point to the cause of that cause of...? And isn't a feeling a response to a perception (stimulus)? Whatever is perceived to be happening, does so on its own accord. Responses are occurring on their own accord too - the sense of doership is false. So what is left, but to perceive one's response, instead of perpetuating the illusion of involvement with both perceptions and responses...? I disagree. I believe we have creative power through thought. If we script our experience from conditioned self hatred then that's what we play as. The free one has choice to observe what is playing & to rescript the play. This is what Gene Poole is referring to I believe. love, Col > > Love, > Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2000 Report Share Posted November 26, 2000 On 11/26/00 at 8:54 PM colette wrote: º , "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote: [..] ºI disagree. I believe we have creative power through thought. If we ºscript our experience from conditioned self hatred then that's what we ºplay as. º ºThe free one has choice to observe what is playing & to rescript the ºplay. This is what Gene Poole is referring to I believe. º ºlove, º ºCol Not only ~I~ do disagree with you, in the meanwhile science does disagree with you as well - there is no "free will". That was what the article "the greatest myth" in New Scientist is about - a warmly recommended read. But OK, whatever you believe is OK º º> º> Love, º> Jan º º º º// º ºAll paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. º ºTo from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at º www., and select the User Center link from the menu bar º on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription º between digest and normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2000 Report Share Posted November 26, 2000 Dear Jan, You wrote: > Not only ~I~ do disagree with you (Colette), in the meanwhile > science does disagree with you as well - there is no "free will". I did write something a week or so ago about "free will". Had to do with "The predilection of the warrior" (Don Juan Mattis). I think I send it to Amanda. Cannot find it at the moment. You also wrote: > Doesn't a perceived cause but point to the cause of that cause of...? Yep, but the buck not only stops somewhere, it also started somewhere. There was a *first* murder and to make it look good the murderer turned it into a *sacrifice*. I am getting Akashic information about that in over the last few days. Comes in in dribs and drabs, this is hard work. Don't know yet how to tie it together. >>>And isn't a feeling a response to a perception (stimulus)? Whatever is perceived to be happening, does so on its own accord. Responses are occurring on their own accord too - the sense of doership is false. So what is left, but to perceive one's response, instead of perpetuating the illusion of involvement with both perceptions and responses...? >>> Well let me just wait till I have read that "New Scientist" article. Love, Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2000 Report Share Posted November 26, 2000 jb wrote: > > On 11/26/00 at 8:54 PM colette wrote: > > º , "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote: > [..] > ºI disagree. I believe we have creative power through thought. If we > ºscript our experience from conditioned self hatred then that's what we > ºplay as. > º > ºThe free one has choice to observe what is playing & to rescript the > ºplay. This is what Gene Poole is referring to I believe. > º > ºlove, > º > ºCol > > Not only ~I~ do disagree with you, in the meanwhile science does disagree with you as well - there is no "free will". That was what the article "the greatest myth" in New Scientist is about - a warmly recommended read. > But OK, whatever you believe is OK > º > º> > º> Love, > º> Jan When things and events are seen as spontaneous the question is meaningless. There is neither free will nor is there not free will, there is only this. love, andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2000 Report Share Posted November 26, 2000 andrew macnab wrote: > When things and events are seen as spontaneous the question is meaningless. There is neither free will nor is there not free will, there is only this. > > love, > andrew Yes! Only this. So much appears And then disappears Only this remains. Love - Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2000 Report Share Posted November 26, 2000 , andrew macnab <a.macnab@n...> wrote: > jb wrote: > > > > On 11/26/00 at 8:54 PM colette@b... wrote: > > > > º , "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote: > > [..] > > ºI disagree. I believe we have creative power through thought. If we > > ºscript our experience from conditioned self hatred then that's what we > > ºplay as. > > º > > ºThe free one has choice to observe what is playing & to rescript the > > ºplay. This is what Gene Poole is referring to I believe. > > º > > ºlove, > > º > > ºCol > > > > Not only ~I~ do disagree with you, in the meanwhile science does disagree with you as well - there is no "free will". That was what the article "the greatest myth" in New Scientist is about - a warmly recommended read. > > But OK, whatever you believe is OK > > º > > º> > > º> Love, > > º> Jan > > When things and events are seen as spontaneous the question is meaningless. There is > neither free will nor is there not free will, there is only this. > > love, > andrew Nice answer. I like that. love, Col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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