WEI WU WEI'S WAY / Jan

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On Sun, 26 Nov 2000 12:09:09 jb wrote:

>To my knowledge, the dissolution can go as far as something called "awake while

asleep", denoting that

>the need for sleep no longer can be felt and as a result sleep is no more. The

statement "witness to

>whatever happens" becomes rather literal then - witnessing the dissolution of

the mind-body until

>functionality ceases.

 

This happening while being asleep ?

 

Dissolution of both the physical body and the dream body into I AM often happens

in sleep, most usually from dreams. I believe the Tibetan Dream Yogas call this

"having a clear light dream", which is a very good description of entering

samadhi from dreams.

 

I am sure this has to do with changed brain activity during sleep. I'm sure the

REM / non REM pattern, as well as that of alpha, beta, and theta activity would

be different than from a "normal" subject.

>However, physiologically that seems to be impossible - sleep is a rather basic

>requirement.

 

Maybe there is some way that dreamless sleep can still be sleep, yet awareness

also being effortlessly present ?

>Once I posted some of the lectures from a Polynesian chief - he could see that

the missionaries were

>bringing the "light" from a book but didn't have the "light" in their heart.

His message to the tribe

>was that ultimately "the way of the white man" would make his brothers and

sisters very unhappy. The

>symbology of a "higher Self" is present in the Americas and K. is known in

Africa but no traces of

>renunciation or "path". And India too has known an era where renunciation

wasn't the issue it has

>become... Most funny was a documentary on Indians living in Amazonia. For them,

the "way of the white

>man" was utterly unnatural too - they were laughing their ass off when

confronted with Germans in a

>cinema. They couldn't believe people to be so stupid as to enjoy illusion

instead of "real life", whatever

>the "content of real life".

 

Thanks for telling me about this.

 

It is an interesting view of this old knowledge.

 

I will check the archives for the old post you mention.

 

One can get the feeling Western civilization is not very conducive to realizing

without the fuss.

But also, the spiritually sterile environment might bring about an extra thirst

and drive for Love in those who have gotten enough.

 

 

Love,

 

Amanda.

 

 

 

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On 11/27/00 at 8:59 PM mumble cat wrote:

 

ºOn Sun, 26 Nov 2000 12:09:09 jb wrote:

º

º>To my knowledge, the dissolution can go as far as something called "awake

while asleep", denoting that

º>the need for sleep no longer can be felt and as a result sleep is no more. The

statement "witness to

º>whatever happens" becomes rather literal then - witnessing the dissolution of

the mind-body until

º>functionality ceases.

º

ºThis happening while being asleep ?

 

It is likely - I can remain conscious until the deep sleep state is met; the

content of consciousness disappears and for a short moment this emptiness

remains, but invariably disappears into... the unconscious. If writings on

transformation are correct, complete transformation is about this mysterious

state of "being fully awake while in deep sleep, able to physically perform "as

usual"" and there is a likeness to nirvikalpa samadhi, "transforming" into

sahaja samadhi.

º

ºDissolution of both the physical body and the dream body into I AM often

happens in sleep, most usually from dreams. I believe the Tibetan Dream Yogas

call this "having a clear light dream", which is a very good description of

entering samadhi from dreams.

º

ºI am sure this has to do with changed brain activity during sleep. I'm sure the

REM / non REM pattern, as well as that of alpha, beta, and theta activity would

be different than from a "normal" subject.

 

I can remember several lucid dreams that immediately activated centers that

should have been active when the experience would have been "true": one lucid

dream was that there was no more urge to breath, no more feeling of body and (of

course) that was recognized as "all transformations completed". But the joy was

way too early What is more, there was a recognition that the "type" of joy

wasn't the "right" one...

º

º>However, physiologically that seems to be impossible - sleep is a rather basic

º>requirement.

º

ºMaybe there is some way that dreamless sleep can still be sleep, yet awareness

also being effortlessly present ?

 

What I have been experiencing is that the states of awake, dreaming and deep

sleep have become more easy to attain: in almost any position, when tired I can

fall asleep and cycle through them but when suddenly waking up there is no more

feeling of "not having slept enough"; sleep is a feeling in the "act" of sinking

into oblivion

º[...]

º

ºOne can get the feeling Western civilization is not very conducive to realizing

without the fuss.

ºBut also, the spiritually sterile environment might bring about an extra thirst

and drive for Love in those who have gotten enough.

 

The Western way of living enlarges every ego to the size of the universe so it

doesn't come as a surprise, many are marveling at it

The remark on love is right on top - hardly anyone gets enough. It shows in fear

- fear of the dark, fear of dying, the list is long. Actually, from a

commercial perspective, fear is big business )

 

Leisure forever,

Jan

 

º

ºLove,

º

ºAmanda.