The turning point

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advaitin , Gokulmuthu Narayanaswamy

<gokulmuthu> wrote:

> After the "turning point", the person is either in Savikalpa

> samadhi or Nirvikalpa samadhi. Once a devotee asked Sri Ramana

> Maharshi if he was in Savikalpa samadhi or Nirvikalpa samadhi.

> He replied that when his eyes were open, he was in Savikalpa

> samadhi and when his eyes were closed, he was in Nirvikalpa

> samadhi. What he meant was that when he perceived objects, he

> was in Savikalpa samadhi and when he did not perceive objects,

> he was in Nirvikalpa samadhi.

>

> I hope that makes it clear, though there was a diversion.

>

> With love,

> Gomu.

 

 

Hi. I would like to ask everyone if they can explain what these two

samadhis are like? Are they related to nirguna & saguna?

 

Peace,

 

Col

 

The Self is Always Self-Referring by nature. God Always Points to HimSelf,

there being nothing else. When the Self appears to refer to It Self through

the power of Maya, The Great Shakti which rises from the Self, that is

Savikalpa. Because the manifestations of the Goddess cannot be counted, the

types of and number of experiences in Savikalpa may said to be innumerable

and are not limited to but include a variety of mental states where thought

processes can be observed as going on automatically, visions of saints,

visitations to celestial heavens in the subtle body, perceptions of gods and

angels and appearances of the Goddess.

 

In Nirvikalpa, the agency of all experiences, Maya, the Great Mother, The

Shakti, The Supreme Goddess, The Inherent Power of the Self, Whose Nature is

That of Grace takes the mind and merges it in the Heart and Reveals HerSelf

to Be the Heart. The ancients called it "entering the Cave of the Heart."

For lack of better words, this state of Being may be called "Deep Awake".

It has no reference point as It Is Self. Only You. Only Self - Awake - Sat

Chit Ananda, devoid of the mind and all suffering.

 

Upon opening the eyes, One Knows that Nirvikalpa is not only the experience

but simultaneously the ground of all experience and perception and is

Ever-Present. We exist in that Only and We Are That. It permeates all

states of mind and all manifestations of Shakti and is the Changeless

Substance of Awareness from which all things arise. Now how will one truly

distinguish between Nirguna and Saguna and Savikalpa and Nirviakalpa? We

speak in one way or another due to our background, training, and learning,

and the Silence of the Heart supports it. Its light is always shining

through the mind as the mind cannot hide it completely. Upon the mind

becoming subtle and pure, it appears to shine forth more and more. The

Silent Self Awareness continuously Reveals It Self as our Self-Nature.

 

Love to all

Harsha