Guest guest Posted December 8, 2000 Report Share Posted December 8, 2000 In a message dated 12/8/00 12:05:02 PM, kvy9 writes: << ºIn a message dated 12/8/00 11:23:41 AM, kvy9 writes: º º<< ººA jump start to your morning? where is this unsafe place?.... so i remember ººto avoid it!!! i like coffee to start the morning instead º º ºFor Americans, it probably is a difficult place to get; no direct flights ºpossible to the Canary Islands ºNot leaning against metal objects when handling electrical devices isn't that ºdifficult - unless crippled ) º >> º º ºIt sounds like a very remote place, and nice in fact. Enjoyable? Oh yes - subtropical climate, the default weather forecast is "warm and sunny". The islands are nicknamed, "islands of eternal spring" and in Spanish, "islas afortunadas" (happy islands). In winter on the Northern hemisphere, Europe's number one beach-holiday resort Wow, indeed it sounds lovely! ºI am sorry, i didn't know you were crippled. I suppose i jumped in too soon? Not at all - a broken ankle and a few mid-foot fractures as well, plus damaged muscles and ligaments. It will heal so being crippled is temporary. Well, i wish you a speedy recovery! must be painful. ligaments are the hardest to heal º i trust that you know there was no harm intended? Love and Peace, Janet I couldn't blame anyone and the idea that harm could be intended doesn't enter the mind. >From a nondual perspective, entertaining such ideas is like shooting oneself in the foot and with just one left to use, I've got to be careful Love, Jan >> hehehe! you may be temporarily crippled but funny too, and delightfully so... Love and Peace, Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2000 Report Share Posted December 8, 2000 In a message dated 12/8/00 1:05:04 PM, mumblecat writes: << Janet, welcome to the list. Please remember to snip long quotes of former posts from your replies to the list, as quotes have a tendency to lengthen the digest mails sent out by eGroups and make them very unweildy. There are currently many members who are on the digest version. Love, Amanda. >> thank you Amanda for the welcome. i will try to remember to snip-it too! i am very guilty of not snipping properly! Love and Peace, Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2000 Report Share Posted December 8, 2000 On 12/8/00 at 11:50 AM JHeierbach wrote: ºIn a message dated 12/8/00 11:23:41 AM, kvy9 writes: º º<< ººA jump start to your morning? where is this unsafe place?.... so i remember ººto avoid it!!! i like coffee to start the morning instead º º ºFor Americans, it probably is a difficult place to get; no direct flights ºpossible to the Canary Islands ºNot leaning against metal objects when handling electrical devices isn't that ºdifficult - unless crippled ) º >> º º ºIt sounds like a very remote place, and nice in fact. Enjoyable? Oh yes - subtropical climate, the default weather forecast is "warm and sunny". The islands are nicknamed, "islands of eternal spring" and in Spanish, "islas afortunadas" (happy islands). In winter on the Northern hemisphere, Europe's number one beach-holiday resort ºI am sorry, i didn't know you were crippled. I suppose i jumped in too soon? Not at all - a broken ankle and a few mid-foot fractures as well, plus damaged muscles and ligaments. It will heal so being crippled is temporary. º i trust that you know there was no harm intended? Love and Peace, Janet I couldn't blame anyone and the idea that harm could be intended doesn't enter the mind. >From a nondual perspective, entertaining such ideas is like shooting oneself in the foot and with just one left to use, I've got to be careful Love, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2000 Report Share Posted December 8, 2000 Hope you both will be out and about and moving freely soon. Jan, I also wish you happy grounding in the future. Harsha, knowing little of what back injury you're having, but knowing well the sprained feeling of the spine, would a chiropractic help ? Janet, welcome to the list. Please remember to snip long quotes of former posts from your replies to the list, as quotes have a tendency to lengthen the digest mails sent out by eGroups and make them very unweildy. There are currently many members who are on the digest version. Love, Amanda. Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2000 Report Share Posted December 8, 2000 Ibuprofen, (motrin,advil) is the best over the counter painkiller for sprains and such. For acute pain its ok to take 4 at once, (not recommended for long term) that's still smaller than prescription doses. If the pain is still bad, then you can take a couple of tylenols along with the ibuprofen, they don't have any adverse interactions. Ibuprofen actually helps healing by reducing swelling hence aiding blood supply. andrew <snip> > > I will be quite OK in a week or so. Of course, one can easily get used to > all the kind and warm wishes and the sympathy. Perhaps I will stretch this > out a bit :-). Thanks again. > > Love > Harsha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2000 Report Share Posted December 9, 2000 andrew macnab [a.macnab] Ibuprofen, (motrin,advil) is the best over the counter painkiller for sprains and such. For acute pain its ok to take 4 at once, (not recommended for long term) that's still smaller than prescription doses. If the pain is still bad, then you can take a couple of tylenols along with the ibuprofen, they don't have any adverse interactions. Ibuprofen actually helps healing by reducing swelling hence aiding blood supply. andrew Thanks Andrew. What you say makes sense -- that Ibuprofen by reducing the swelling can help to increase the blood flow to the affected parts and accelerate healing of sprained or injured muscles. Aspirin also has similar anti-inflammatory properties but is harder on the stomach. Tylenol is easy on the stomach and helps the pain but does nothing for inflammation. Thanks again for the good advice Andrew Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2000 Report Share Posted December 9, 2000 Hi again, Not to be adverse or anything, but I have known several people (clients) who have been diagnosed with Liver and Kidney damage from ibuprofen and also know a former pharmaceutical rep. who said she was informed of this in her training; it's kept in the fine print. I must confess, because of my history, I lean toward Mother Nature and the natural when it comes to tending the body so.....with all due respect, what is said about ibuprofen reducing inflamation is accurate, but the healing comes from the reduction of inflammation, allowing the body to heal itself, not the ibuprofen, which is damaging to the organs. If u are interested, a good health food store would carry Wobenzyme, an enzyme product (German) specifically used for inflammation, which is excellent and a new herbal oriented anti-inflammatory called zyflamend and zyflamend pm (heard good reports) from a company called New Chapter; their Super Critical Line. P.S. I'll bring my 'magic potion' when we go to Ramanashram ; ) just in case! Love, ~jess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2000 Report Share Posted December 9, 2000 Hi Jessica, Ibuprofen is readily available, effective, and reasonably safe. I suspect that the liver and kidney damage happens in people who take large doses for a long time. Take ibuprofen every morning for hangover and end up with rotten liver, big surprise:) The remedies you mention are somewhat more difficult to get. I agree with you about the herbal approach, though a lot of herbs haven't been studied much at all, and just because its natural doesn't mean it's safe. Three examples, with commonly used herbs; With ephedra (ma huang) which Jan mentioned, overdose with severe effects including death is possible, at only 2 or 3 times recommended dosage. The various 'herbal ectasy' concoctions generally include ephedra as a main ingredient. There are reports of peripheral nerve damage associated with St. John's Wort. There are reports of bleeding in the brain with large doses of Ginko. This doesn't mean that one shouldn't use these herbs, just that one should use common sense. It doesn't matter whether people use herbs or pharmaceuticals, if I am medicating myself long term to alleviate the effects of a problem in my way of living, I think I am going to run into trouble, unless my way of living changes. love, andrew Jessica White wrote: > > Hi again, > > Not to be adverse or anything, but I have known several people (clients) who > have been diagnosed with Liver and Kidney damage from ibuprofen and also > know a former pharmaceutical rep. who said she was informed of this in her > training; it's kept in the fine print. I must confess, because of my > history, I lean toward Mother Nature and the natural when it comes to > tending the body so.....with all due respect, what is said about ibuprofen > reducing inflamation is accurate, but the healing comes from the reduction > of inflammation, allowing the body to heal itself, not the ibuprofen, which > is damaging to the organs. If u are interested, a good health food store > would carry Wobenzyme, an enzyme product (German) specifically used for > inflammation, which is excellent and a new herbal oriented anti-inflammatory > called zyflamend and zyflamend pm (heard good reports) from a company called > New Chapter; their Super Critical Line. > > P.S. I'll bring my 'magic potion' when we go to Ramanashram ; ) just in > case! > > Love, > ~jess > > > // > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at > www., and select the User Center link from the menu bar > on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription > between digest and normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2000 Report Share Posted December 9, 2000 Hi Andrew, I agree with u and know of the pitfalls of what is marketed as natural. Twas just my two cents. As for me, I just had a massage for 'my' body's pain ~ and as for the masseuse ~ she brought me some chocolate!! he he! ; ) Love, ~jess - "andrew macnab" <a.macnab Saturday, December 09, 2000 4:05 PM Re: Is Pain an Illusion > Hi Jessica, > > Ibuprofen is readily available, effective, and reasonably safe. > I suspect that the liver and kidney damage happens in people who take large doses for > a long time. Take ibuprofen every morning for hangover and end up with rotten liver, > big surprise:) > The remedies you mention are somewhat more difficult to get. > I agree with you about the herbal approach, though a lot of herbs haven't been studied > much at all, and just because its natural doesn't mean it's safe. > Three examples, with commonly used herbs; > With ephedra (ma huang) which Jan mentioned, overdose with severe effects including > death is possible, at only 2 or 3 times recommended dosage. The various 'herbal > ectasy' concoctions generally include ephedra as a main ingredient. > There are reports of peripheral nerve damage associated with St. John's Wort. > There are reports of bleeding in the brain with large doses of Ginko. > This doesn't mean that one shouldn't use these herbs, just that one should use common > sense. > It doesn't matter whether people use herbs or pharmaceuticals, if I am medicating > myself long term to alleviate the effects of a problem in my way of living, I think I > am going to run into trouble, unless my way of living changes. > > love, > andrew > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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