Guest guest Posted December 8, 2000 Report Share Posted December 8, 2000 Hi The following is a real life story. And somehow, kind of miraculous. In the land of Fistomania, Mr. Fistowski was, at his old age, suffering terribly of pains in his left forearm and hand. He's had that pain all his life, but now was becoming unbearable. It was so, that in his country, there was a traditional-value which was based on the First-Commandament of their beloved Scripture, and that was: "Thou shall not open your left fist !" And the preachers and everybodyelse were explaining that if it was opened, then this inplanted Chip would oxidize and with it the person would at least go mad, or else die. And Mr. Fistowski did his best, as a good citizen and also out of fear of dying, to keep his fist tightly closed. But now, due to the pain, he started to talk to other people about it. One should add that the pain was not only in the arm,.. the Commandament also caused him to be carefull when with others. It seemed to him, many times that others were giving him strange looks and sneering while they kept staring at his fist. He was afraid he was doing something wrong in the way he was holding it closed. He had at times thoughts as to how he -should have held his fist in certain situations and that generated for him feelings of guilt, of regret and of fear as to what others might think of his behaviour. When thinking about it, the rest of his body would shiver and his head would twitch. He was very unhappy. Nobody could help him. So he went to classes on Fistology. He studied hard, but the pain intensified, and his hand and forearm turned dark blue by now... Meanwhile, in a parallel universe, in the land of Identomania, Mr. Idensen went thru a lot of misfortunes, .. death of loved ones, loss of friends.. and other quite painful situations. The thoughts of these uncomfortable past events, would suddenly pass thru his mind, and it was as if they would Hit a Wall, upon which a contraction of the body and twitches of head would, instantaneously errupt. Perhaps because of his 'giving-up' on doing something about his unhappy state, since he could see that the others whether they were interested or not, could not really help him. And yet there was a cry of 'No!.. away!'- resistance to what was and how he thought (and others thought) it should be. So he was alone. And his twitches were probably a form of comforting solution, of a kind of company of 'me and myself/my body' and there was a kind of pleasure associated with that self-pitying activity. Being an age of cyber space communication, somehow Mr. Fistowski bumped into Mr Idensen.. it was at a Inter-Universes Discussion forum list, called www.HeadTwitchers.org. It had also the visual communication... They started to chat and agreed that they _Had to_ investigate into the pain, even if it would result in their death... So says Mr. Idensen to Mr. Fistowski..: My dear fellow, with all respect,.. But: a 'chip in your hand on which your life depends..?!.. HA !..That is the most Ridiculous thing I've ever heard..!.. Open up your fist !..', upon which, of course, Mr. Fistowski froze with fear and had all kinds of reasonable justifications for maintaining that, that was not a good idea, nor does he Know How To do it... open it,.. he's been like that all his life and he insisted on, that this was an impossibility. Since Mr. Idensen had a bit of insight into the mind he suggested: 'Listen now, something easier: instead of trying to open your hand, just stop putting your energy in doing what you have always been doing..keeping it closed..'.. There were slight movements of his fingers at first,.. he was sweating profusely,.. and it was obvious that Mr. Fistowsky's hand was opening by itself.. ...a great sense of relief overcame him and he was almost in tears,.. and he looked in his slowly opening hand... there was -nothing there !.. He was baffled and overjoyed. After calming down a bit, he happened to notice Mr. Idensen's still twiching head, and he was overcome with compassion, and says to him ' .. aah.. listen,..That Wall that you speak of, that is being hit when thoughts come along,.. it sounds to me very weird !,.. What is it ?'.. Mr. Idensen admitted to not knowing ..: 'but it just definetely feels! that way, and also that my body is hit' he replied. 'But why don't you look again, closer ?' said Mr. Fistowski.. Mr. Idensen was determined to find out.. and looked closer.. he saw that the Wall, was a constructed-fiction also called the 'I' to be protected at any cost, and that it was just like the hitting thoughts/memories, .. and no different, except that it was an expert at Separation and Resistance, having practiced it for so long.. and yet a conventional creation, which he, like others, did his best to uphold and live according to. He saw that.. and the same moment, the head-twitching simply stopped !.. He was overjoyed.. and although the smashing-'rocks' were still flying around at times, there was nothing for them to hit... His body was gratefull. And so, Mr. Fistowski changed his name to Fistfree-ji, and Mr. Idensen became Mr. Wallslessen. And they moved to another univers. They are still occasionally hit/bit by the old habit, but it subsides even before it can come to fruitition and into Fistosomatic and Iwallosomatic symptoms & damages. And they became great friends. As amatter of fact, the two were not two, but one. It was, it is, JB. And of course, all that did not happen on and Inter-Universal chat- net. It happened while JB was sitting on his apartment's toilet seat. And, strangely enough, he is not aware of the length, of the sitting's time-period. He must've been, temporarily, abducted.. jb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 This had been posted in another group. When I read it I was moved by it and reminded just how easy my life is. Sometimes it is hard not to get "immersed." When the moment is there and things are happening, sometimes the cry for help comes before you can think about surrender to His will; then again, if He did not want to, He would not grant such requests :-) I myself had to stop myself a few weeks ago because I was in such physical pain from a herniated cervical disc. I found myself asking Him to take away the pain so I could play my harmonium again and then I had to take it back because I realized that I needed to surrender to whatever reason He had for this pain for me. Now I am doing much better but I realize that it is easy to say that I will endure whatever He sends my way until it comes my way :-) With love to all... In His Service, Radhe ---- This is about an ISKCON devotee police officer who fought the terrorists during the siege of the Taj last year. Excerpted from Badrinarayan prabhu'slecture on 20th February 2009, at Mayapur:Radhanath Maharaja told me a very blissful story the other day and he said I could use it. So here goes! There was that Taj Hotel where the terrorists attacked. They were fighting in there for three days, complete carnage. The terrorists had arranged in such a way that they would always be up higher. They would shoot from a lower vantage point down. Radhanath Maharaja told me this. They had all these grenades and they would throw the grenades and the grenades would create so much smoke that if you were down looking up you couldn’t see anything.Picture that you are one of these soldiers or police officers and you are in this cloud of smoke and up above you there is this hail of bullets from the terrorists shooting at you. One of those soldiers was one of our devotees. At one point, they were trying to chase these people through the hotel. They are trapped. The terrorist were throwing all these grenades, they are in a complete cloud of smoke. They cannot see one foot in front of their face. They can’t see left, right or anything and this hail of bullets is being fired at them. Just a wall of bullets coming at them.This devotee police officer, with two other police officers on either side, he is in the middle, he actually was completely helpless. He couldn’t see left, right, he couldn’t see his colleagues. He remembered that he had on his ring tone on his phone Nrsimhadeva prayers. He began playing the Nrsimhadeva prayers and praying intently to Lord Nrsimhadeva, “Please I am absolutely helpless. I am going to die. Save me, I'm in an absolutelyhopeless state.”When the shooting stopped, the smoke cleared, his friend to the right and his friend to the left were completely killed, riddled with bullets and he was unscathed. In front of him, which he couldn’t see at the time, was a giant pillar. And because they were shooting at him the pillar protectedhim.He thought, “Just as Lord Nrsimhadev came out of the pillar to save Prahlada, He put a pillar here to save me!” -------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Dear Rhadhe, After similar, but not such severe circumstances, I came to the conclusion that the ordinary mind cannot understand the ways of the Higher or Divine Wisdom which is always doing everything possible for our spiritual development, but we don't realise it at the time- yet, sooner or later it dawns on us, a long time afterwards. Even if we knew the reason it would only satisfy the mind. Faith, like love, conquers all things.Bhagavan said somewhere that 'all suffering is good- it leads to God Realisation'. I think through suffering we develop courage, equanimity and other virtues, leading to compassion for others. Mirabai used to pray for tribulation, because she said it brought her closer to Thou. I like the story about Narahimsa at the end. The LIon-Man has always intrigued me. Anyway I am glad to read that you are feeling somewhat better now. All Love, In His Ultimate Grace, Alan --- On Tue, 7/4/09, Radhe <shaantih wrote: Radhe <shaantih FW: A true story Date: Tuesday, 7 April, 2009, 11:42 PM This had been posted in another group. When I read it I was moved by it and reminded just how easy my life is. Sometimes it is hard not to get "immersed." When the moment is there and things are happening, sometimes the cry for help comes before you can think about surrender to His will; then again, if He did not want to, He would not grant such requests :-) I myself had to stop myself a few weeks ago because I was in such physical pain from a herniated cervical disc. I found myself asking Him to take away the pain so I could play my harmonium again and then I had to take it back because I realized that I needed to surrender to whatever reason He had for this pain for me. Now I am doing much better but I realize that it is easy to say that I will endure whatever He sends my way until it comes my way :-) With love to all... In His Service, Radhe ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---- This is about an ISKCON devotee police officer who fought the terrorists during the siege of the Taj last year. Excerpted from Badrinarayan prabhu'slecture on 20th February 2009, at Mayapur:Radhanath Maharaja told me a very blissful story the other day and he said I could use it. So here goes! There was that Taj Hotel where the terrorists attacked. They were fighting in there for three days, complete carnage. The terrorists had arranged in such a way that they would always be up higher. They would shoot from a lower vantage point down. Radhanath Maharaja told me this. They had all these grenades and they would throw the grenades and the grenades would create so much smoke that if you were down looking up you couldn’t see anything.Picture that you are one of these soldiers or police officers and you are in this cloud of smoke and up above you there is this hail of bullets from the terrorists shooting at you. One of those soldiers was one of our devotees. At one point, they were trying to chase these people through the hotel. They are trapped. The terrorist were throwing all these grenades, they are in a complete cloud of smoke. They cannot see one foot in front of their face. They can’t see left, right or anything and this hail of bullets is being fired at them. Just a wall of bullets coming at them.This devotee police officer, with two other police officers on either side, he is in the middle, he actually was completely helpless. He couldn’t see left, right, he couldn’t see his colleagues. He remembered that he had on his ring tone on his phone Nrsimhadeva prayers. He began playing the Nrsimhadeva prayers and praying intently to Lord Nrsimhadeva, “Please I am absolutely helpless. I am going to die. Save me, I'm in an absolutelyhopeless state.â€When the shooting stopped, the smoke cleared, his friend to the right and his friend to the left were completely killed, riddled with bullets and he was unscathed. In front of him, which he couldn’t see at the time, was a giant pillar. And because they were shooting at him the pillar protectedhim.He thought, “Just as Lord Nrsimhadev came out of the pillar to save Prahlada, He put a pillar here to save me!†------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Dear Radhe , A beautiful story .. I can very well undestand the intensity of the cervical pain ..having undergone two cervical spine surgery including a Titanium collar implant ( have 4 screws in the hip joint as well .. a very metallic person indeed ! ) .. You ought not to be using the computer atleast for a while .. as it is bound to increase the pain.. Am sure that even when "immersed " with your present state .. your soul must be soaring high ..Even a simple mantra like Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya .. will do wonders ! Wish you speedy recovery .. In his JOY ramesh --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Radhe <shaantih wrote: Radhe <shaantih FW: A true story Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 4:12 AM This had been posted in another group. When I read it I was moved by it and reminded just how easy my life is. Sometimes it is hard not to get "immersed." When the moment is there and things are happening, sometimes the cry for help comes before you can think about surrender to His will; then again, if He did not want to, He would not grant such requests :-) I myself had to stop myself a few weeks ago because I was in such physical pain from a herniated cervical disc. I found myself asking Him to take away the pain so I could play my harmonium again and then I had to take it back because I realized that I needed to surrender to whatever reason He had for this pain for me. Now I am doing much better but I realize that it is easy to say that I will endure whatever He sends my way until it comes my way :-) With love to all... In His Service, Radhe ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---- This is about an ISKCON devotee police officer who fought the terrorists during the siege of the Taj last year. Excerpted from Badrinarayan prabhu'slecture on 20th February 2009, at Mayapur:Radhanath Maharaja told me a very blissful story the other day and he said I could use it. So here goes! There was that Taj Hotel where the terrorists attacked. They were fighting in there for three days, complete carnage. The terrorists had arranged in such a way that they would always be up higher. They would shoot from a lower vantage point down. Radhanath Maharaja told me this. They had all these grenades and they would throw the grenades and the grenades would create so much smoke that if you were down looking up you couldn’t see anything.Picture that you are one of these soldiers or police officers and you are in this cloud of smoke and up above you there is this hail of bullets from the terrorists shooting at you. One of those soldiers was one of our devotees. At one point, they were trying to chase these people through the hotel. They are trapped. The terrorist were throwing all these grenades, they are in a complete cloud of smoke. They cannot see one foot in front of their face. They can’t see left, right or anything and this hail of bullets is being fired at them. Just a wall of bullets coming at them.This devotee police officer, with two other police officers on either side, he is in the middle, he actually was completely helpless. He couldn’t see left, right, he couldn’t see his colleagues. He remembered that he had on his ring tone on his phone Nrsimhadeva prayers. He began playing the Nrsimhadeva prayers and praying intently to Lord Nrsimhadeva, “Please I am absolutely helpless. I am going to die. Save me, I'm in an absolutelyhopeless state.â€When the shooting stopped, the smoke cleared, his friend to the right and his friend to the left were completely killed, riddled with bullets and he was unscathed. In front of him, which he couldn’t see at the time, was a giant pillar. And because they were shooting at him the pillar protectedhim.He thought, “Just as Lord Nrsimhadev came out of the pillar to save Prahlada, He put a pillar here to save me!†------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009  GREAT GREAT GREAT tks michael - Yosy Flug Wednesday, April 08, 2009 9:07 PM Re: FW: A true story Alan Jacobs wrote: Dear Rhadhe, After similar, but not such severe circumstances, I came to the conclusion that the ordinary mind cannot understand the ways of the Higher or Divine Wisdom which is always doing everything possible for our spiritual development, but we don't realise it at the time- yet, sooner or later it dawns on us, a long time afterwards. Even if we knew the reason it would only satisfy the mind. Faith, like love, conquers all things.Bhagavan said somewhere that 'all suffering is good- it leads to God Realisation'. I think through suffering we develop courage, equanimity and other virtues, leading to compassion for others. Mirabai used to pray for tribulation, because she said it brought her closer to Thou. I like the story about Narahimsa at the end. The LIon-Man has always intrigued me. Anyway I am glad to read that you are feeling somewhat better now. All Love, In His Ultimate Grace, Alan faith and knowledge real faith is what remains when all beliefs are lost. substitutes for knowing, like a scaffolding which is dismounted once the job is done; so are beliefs abandoned when experience dawns. but in the presence of the real no faith nor faithful remain. true knowing and being is ever one. @}->'->,-- yosy --- On Tue, 7/4/09, Radhe <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: Radhe <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> FW: A true story Date: Tuesday, 7 April, 2009, 11:42 PM This had been posted in another group. When I read it I was moved by it and reminded just how easy my life is. Sometimes it is hard not to get "immersed." When the moment is there and things are happening, sometimes the cry for help comes before you can think about surrender to His will; then again, if He did not want to, He would not grant such requests :-) I myself had to stop myself a few weeks ago because I was in such physical pain from a herniated cervical disc. I found myself asking Him to take away the pain so I could play my harmonium again and then I had to take it back because I realized that I needed to surrender to whatever reason He had for this pain for me. Now I am doing much better but I realize that it is easy to say that I will endure whatever He sends my way until it comes my way :-) With love to all... In His Service, Radhe ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---- This is about an ISKCON devotee police officer who fought the terrorists during the siege of the Taj last year. Excerpted from Badrinarayan prabhu'slecture on 20th February 2009, at Mayapur:Radhanath Maharaja told me a very blissful story the other day and he said I could use it. So here goes! There was that Taj Hotel where the terrorists attacked. They were fighting in there for three days, complete carnage. The terrorists had arranged in such a way that they would always be up higher. They would shoot from a lower vantage point down. Radhanath Maharaja told me this. They had all these grenades and they would throw the grenades and the grenades would create so much smoke that if you were down looking up you couldn’t see anything.Picture that you are one of these soldiers or police officers and you are in this cloud of smoke and up above you there is this hail of bullets from the terrorists shooting at you. One of those soldiers was one of our devotees. At one point, they were trying to chase these people through the hotel. They are trapped. The terrorist were throwing all these grenades, they are in a complete cloud of smoke. They cannot see one foot in front of their face. They can’t see left, right or anything and this hail of bullets is being fired at them. Just a wall of bullets coming at them.This devotee police officer, with two other police officers on either side, he is in the middle, he actually was completely helpless. He couldn’t see left, right, he couldn’t see his colleagues. He remembered that he had on his ring tone on his phone Nrsimhadeva prayers. He began playing the Nrsimhadeva prayers and praying intently to Lord Nrsimhadeva, “Please I am absolutely helpless. I am going to die. Save me, I'm in an absolutelyhopeless state.â€When the shooting stopped, the smoke cleared, his friend to the right and his friend to the left were completely killed, riddled with bullets and he was unscathed. In front of him, which he couldn’t see at the time, was a giant pillar. And because they were shooting at him the pillar protectedhim.He thought, “Just as Lord Nrsimhadev came out of the pillar to save Prahlada, He put a pillar here to save me!†------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.47/2047 - Release 04/08/09 05:53:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Alan Jacobs wrote: Dear Rhadhe,  After similar, but not such severe circumstances, I came to the conclusion that the ordinary mind cannot understand the ways of the Higher or Divine Wisdom which is always doing everything possible for our spiritual development, but we don't realise it at the time- yet, sooner or later it dawns on us, a long time afterwards. Even if we knew the reason it would only satisfy the mind. Faith, like love, conquers all things.Bhagavan said somewhere that 'all suffering is good- it leads to God Realisation'. I think through suffering we develop courage, equanimity and other virtues, leading to compassion for others. Mirabai used to pray for tribulation, because she said it brought her closer to Thou.   I like the story about Narahimsa at the end. The LIon-Man has always intrigued me.  Anyway I am glad to read that you are feeling somewhat better now.  All Love,  In His Ultimate Grace,  Alan faith and knowledge   real faith is what remains when all beliefs are lost.  substitutes for knowing, like a scaffolding which is dismounted once the job is done; so are beliefs abandoned when experience dawns.  but  in the presence of the real no faith nor faithful remain.  true knowing and being is ever one.    @}->'->,-- yosy  --- On Tue, 7/4/09, Radhe <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: Radhe <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> FW: A true story Tuesday, 7 April, 2009, 11:42 PM This had been posted in another group. When I read it I was moved by it and reminded just how easy my life is. Sometimes it is hard not to get "immersed."  When the moment is there and things are happening, sometimes the cry for help comes before you can think about surrender to His will; then again, if He did not want to, He would not grant such requests :-)  I myself had to stop myself a few weeks ago because I was in such physical pain from a herniated cervical disc. I found myself asking Him to take away the pain so I could play my harmonium again and then I had to take it back because I realized that I needed to surrender to whatever reason He had for this pain for me. Now I am doing much better but I realize that it is easy to say that I will endure whatever He sends my way until it comes my way :-)  With love to all...  In His Service,  Radhe  ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----  This is about an ISKCON devotee police officer who fought the terrorists during the siege of the Taj last year. Excerpted from Badrinarayan prabhu's lecture on 20th February 2009, at Mayapur: Radhanath Maharaja told me a very blissful story the other day and he said I could use it. So here goes! There was that Taj Hotel where the terrorists attacked. They were fighting in there for three days, complete carnage. The terrorists had arranged in such a way that they would always be up higher. They would shoot from a lower vantage point down. Radhanath Maharaja told me this. They had all these grenades and they would throw the grenades and the grenades would create so much smoke that if you were down looking up you couldn’t see anything. Picture that you are one of these soldiers or police officers and you are in this cloud of smoke and up above you there is this hail of bullets from the terrorists shooting at you. One of those soldiers was one of our devotees. At one point, they were trying to chase these people through the hotel. They are trapped. The terrorist were throwing all these grenades, they are in a complete cloud of smoke. They cannot see one foot in front of their face. They can’t see left, right or anything and this hail of bullets is being fired at them. Just a wall of bullets coming at them. This devotee police officer, with two other police officers on either side, he is in the middle, he actually was completely helpless. He couldn’t see left, right, he couldn’t see his colleagues. He remembered that he had on his ring tone on his phone Nrsimhadeva prayers. He began playing the Nrsimhadeva prayers and praying intently to Lord Nrsimhadeva, “Please I am absolutely helpless. I am going to die. Save me, I'm in an absolutely hopeless state.†When the shooting stopped, the smoke cleared, his friend to the right and his friend to the left were completely killed, riddled with bullets and he was unscathed. In front of him, which he couldn’t see at the time, was a giant pillar. And because they were shooting at him the pillar protected him. He thought, “Just as Lord Nrsimhadev came out of the pillar to save Prahlada, He put a pillar here to save me!† ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009  Dear Alanji: Thank you for sharing your insights. While the ordinary mind may not be able to understand the Divine Ways, it is helpful if the ordinary mind realizes it is ordinary and trusts the ways of the Higher or Divine Wisdom. That is where Surrender comes in. And you are so right in saying that it may be a long time before the "reason" may become clear...sometimes years, perhaps a lifetime. Sometimes things happen just to push you in a certain direction you would not otherwise go. I often see people saying that this or that thing which happens is someone's bad karma. For people to think that all "bad" things which happen is a result of someone's bad karma is so judgmental and foolhardy. It is not for us to attempt to divinate the reasons behind Divine Wisdom. And Mirabai is one of my favorite saints. I have learned two of her bhajans so far and hope to add more in the future. She did not always ask for tribulation, though... here is one of my personal favorites... Guide this little boat over the waters, what can I give you for fare? Our mutable world holds nothing but grief, bear me away from it. Eight bonds of karma have gripped me, the whole of creation swirls through eight million wombs, through eight million birth-forms we flicker. Mira cries. Dark One take this little boat to the far shore, put an end to coming and going. In His Service and throwing the oars into the water, Radhe - Alan Jacobs Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:13 AM Re: FW: A true story Dear Rhadhe, After similar, but not such severe circumstances, I came to the conclusion that the ordinary mind cannot understand the ways of the Higher or Divine Wisdom which is always doing everything possible for our spiritual development, but we don't realise it at the time- yet, sooner or later it dawns on us, a long time afterwards. Even if we knew the reason it would only satisfy the mind. Faith, like love, conquers all things.Bhagavan said somewhere that 'all suffering is good- it leads to God Realisation'. I think through suffering we develop courage, equanimity and other virtues, leading to compassion for others. Mirabai used to pray for tribulation, because she said it brought her closer to Thou. I like the story about Narahimsa at the end. The LIon-Man has always intrigued me. Anyway I am glad to read that you are feeling somewhat better now. All Love, In His Ultimate Grace, Alan --- On Tue, 7/4/09, Radhe <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: Radhe <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> FW: A true story Date: Tuesday, 7 April, 2009, 11:42 PM This had been posted in another group. When I read it I was moved by it and reminded just how easy my life is. Sometimes it is hard not to get "immersed." When the moment is there and things are happening, sometimes the cry for help comes before you can think about surrender to His will; then again, if He did not want to, He would not grant such requests :-) I myself had to stop myself a few weeks ago because I was in such physical pain from a herniated cervical disc. I found myself asking Him to take away the pain so I could play my harmonium again and then I had to take it back because I realized that I needed to surrender to whatever reason He had for this pain for me. Now I am doing much better but I realize that it is easy to say that I will endure whatever He sends my way until it comes my way :-) With love to all... In His Service, Radhe ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---- This is about an ISKCON devotee police officer who fought the terrorists during the siege of the Taj last year. Excerpted from Badrinarayan prabhu'slecture on 20th February 2009, at Mayapur:Radhanath Maharaja told me a very blissful story the other day and he said I could use it. So here goes! There was that Taj Hotel where the terrorists attacked. They were fighting in there for three days, complete carnage. The terrorists had arranged in such a way that they would always be up higher. They would shoot from a lower vantage point down. Radhanath Maharaja told me this. They had all these grenades and they would throw the grenades and the grenades would create so much smoke that if you were down looking up you couldn’t see anything.Picture that you are one of these soldiers or police officers and you are in this cloud of smoke and up above you there is this hail of bullets from the terrorists shooting at you. One of those soldiers was one of our devotees. At one point, they were trying to chase these people through the hotel. They are trapped. The terrorist were throwing all these grenades, they are in a complete cloud of smoke. They cannot see one foot in front of their face. They can’t see left, right or anything and this hail of bullets is being fired at them. Just a wall of bullets coming at them.This devotee police officer, with two other police officers on either side, he is in the middle, he actually was completely helpless. He couldn’t see left, right, he couldn’t see his colleagues. He remembered that he had on his ring tone on his phone Nrsimhadeva prayers. He began playing the Nrsimhadeva prayers and praying intently to Lord Nrsimhadeva, “Please I am absolutely helpless. I am going to die. Save me, I'm in an absolutelyhopeless state.â€When the shooting stopped, the smoke cleared, his friend to the right and his friend to the left were completely killed, riddled with bullets and he was unscathed. In front of him, which he couldn’t see at the time, was a giant pillar. And because they were shooting at him the pillar protectedhim.He thought, “Just as Lord Nrsimhadev came out of the pillar to save Prahlada, He put a pillar here to save me!†------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.46/2046 - Release 04/07/09 17:53:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009  Dear Ramesh garu :-) You are indeed a metallic man, with a soft heart. I just want to tell you what a pleasure it is to have you on this list. Most of us who post have been here for years, and it is so nice that you joined the family, and Dr. Raju also. You both bring some new insights to the group and more bhakti is always welcome. Do not worry about my use of the computer...that problem was a few weeks ago...now I am much better and it is OK to use it now. I have to smile at the perfection of your suggestion to chant simple mantras...my whole day is in and out of chanting...I sing to Him all day long really. When I sing I soar!!! He must get tired of hearing me :-) Love to you, Titanium man;-) In His Service, Radhe - ramesh chivukula Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:20 AM Re: FW: A true story Dear Radhe , A beautiful story .. I can very well undestand the intensity of the cervical pain ..having undergone two cervical spine surgery including a Titanium collar implant ( have 4 screws in the hip joint as well .. a very metallic person indeed ! ) .. You ought not to be using the computer atleast for a while .. as it is bound to increase the pain.. Am sure that even when "immersed " with your present state .. your soul must be soaring high ..Even a simple mantra like Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya .. will do wonders ! Wish you speedy recovery .. In his JOY ramesh --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Radhe <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: Radhe <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> FW: A true story Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 4:12 AM This had been posted in another group. When I read it I was moved by it and reminded just how easy my life is. Sometimes it is hard not to get "immersed." When the moment is there and things are happening, sometimes the cry for help comes before you can think about surrender to His will; then again, if He did not want to, He would not grant such requests :-) I myself had to stop myself a few weeks ago because I was in such physical pain from a herniated cervical disc. I found myself asking Him to take away the pain so I could play my harmonium again and then I had to take it back because I realized that I needed to surrender to whatever reason He had for this pain for me. Now I am doing much better but I realize that it is easy to say that I will endure whatever He sends my way until it comes my way :-) With love to all... In His Service, Radhe ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---- This is about an ISKCON devotee police officer who fought the terrorists during the siege of the Taj last year. Excerpted from Badrinarayan prabhu'slecture on 20th February 2009, at Mayapur:Radhanath Maharaja told me a very blissful story the other day and he said I could use it. So here goes! There was that Taj Hotel where the terrorists attacked. They were fighting in there for three days, complete carnage. The terrorists had arranged in such a way that they would always be up higher. They would shoot from a lower vantage point down. Radhanath Maharaja told me this. They had all these grenades and they would throw the grenades and the grenades would create so much smoke that if you were down looking up you couldn’t see anything.Picture that you are one of these soldiers or police officers and you are in this cloud of smoke and up above you there is this hail of bullets from the terrorists shooting at you. One of those soldiers was one of our devotees. At one point, they were trying to chase these people through the hotel. They are trapped. The terrorist were throwing all these grenades, they are in a complete cloud of smoke. They cannot see one foot in front of their face. They can’t see left, right or anything and this hail of bullets is being fired at them. Just a wall of bullets coming at them.This devotee police officer, with two other police officers on either side, he is in the middle, he actually was completely helpless. He couldn’t see left, right, he couldn’t see his colleagues. He remembered that he had on his ring tone on his phone Nrsimhadeva prayers. He began playing the Nrsimhadeva prayers and praying intently to Lord Nrsimhadeva, “Please I am absolutely helpless. I am going to die. Save me, I'm in an absolutelyhopeless state.â€When the shooting stopped, the smoke cleared, his friend to the right and his friend to the left were completely killed, riddled with bullets and he was unscathed. In front of him, which he couldn’t see at the time, was a giant pillar. And because they were shooting at him the pillar protectedhim.He thought, “Just as Lord Nrsimhadev came out of the pillar to save Prahlada, He put a pillar here to save me!†------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.46/2046 - Release 04/07/09 17:53:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009  What he said :-)@<'-> joycie- Michael Bindel Wednesday, April 08, 2009 2:41 PMRe: FW: A true story GREAT GREAT GREAT tksmichaelfaith and knowledgereal faithis what remainswhen all beliefsare lost.substitutes for knowing, like a scaffoldingwhich is dismountedonce the job is done;so are beliefs abandonedwhen experiencedawns.butin the presenceof the realno faithnor faithfulremain.true knowing and being is ever one.@}->'->,--yosy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 My dear Radhe, How true, Thank you for all your comments- to which I agree heartily. All love, In His Grace, Alan --- On Fri, 10/4/09, Radhe <shaantih wrote: Radhe <shaantihRe: FW: A true story Date: Friday, 10 April, 2009, 1:31 AM  Dear Alanji: Thank you for sharing your insights. While the ordinary mind may not be able to understand the Divine Ways, it is helpful if the ordinary mind realizes it is ordinary and trusts the ways of the Higher or Divine Wisdom. That is where Surrender comes in. And you are so right in saying that it may be a long time before the "reason" may become clear...sometimes years, perhaps a lifetime. Sometimes things happen just to push you in a certain direction you would not otherwise go. I often see people saying that this or that thing which happens is someone's bad karma. For people to think that all "bad" things which happen is a result of someone's bad karma is so judgmental and foolhardy. It is not for us to attempt to divinate the reasons behind Divine Wisdom. And Mirabai is one of my favorite saints. I have learned two of her bhajans so far and hope to add more in the future. She did not always ask for tribulation, though... here is one of my personal favorites... Guide this little boat over the waters, what can I give you for fare? Our mutable world holds nothing but grief, bear me away from it. Eight bonds of karma have gripped me, the whole of creation swirls through eight million wombs, through eight million birth-forms we flicker. Mira cries. Dark One take this little boat to the far shore, put an end to coming and going. In His Service and throwing the oars into the water, Radhe - Alan Jacobs Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:13 AM Re: FW: A true story Dear Rhadhe, After similar, but not such severe circumstances, I came to the conclusion that the ordinary mind cannot understand the ways of the Higher or Divine Wisdom which is always doing everything possible for our spiritual development, but we don't realise it at the time- yet, sooner or later it dawns on us, a long time afterwards. Even if we knew the reason it would only satisfy the mind. Faith, like love, conquers all things.Bhagavan said somewhere that 'all suffering is good- it leads to God Realisation' . I think through suffering we develop courage, equanimity and other virtues, leading to compassion for others. Mirabai used to pray for tribulation, because she said it brought her closer to Thou. I like the story about Narahimsa at the end. The LIon-Man has always intrigued me. Anyway I am glad to read that you are feeling somewhat better now. All Love, In His Ultimate Grace, Alan --- On Tue, 7/4/09, Radhe <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: Radhe <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> FW: A true storyTuesday, 7 April, 2009, 11:42 PM This had been posted in another group. When I read it I was moved by it and reminded just how easy my life is. Sometimes it is hard not to get "immersed." When the moment is there and things are happening, sometimes the cry for help comes before you can think about surrender to His will; then again, if He did not want to, He would not grant such requests :-) I myself had to stop myself a few weeks ago because I was in such physical pain from a herniated cervical disc. I found myself asking Him to take away the pain so I could play my harmonium again and then I had to take it back because I realized that I needed to surrender to whatever reason He had for this pain for me. Now I am doing much better but I realize that it is easy to say that I will endure whatever He sends my way until it comes my way :-) With love to all... In His Service, Radhe ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---- This is about an ISKCON devotee police officer who fought the terrorists during the siege of the Taj last year. Excerpted from Badrinarayan prabhu'slecture on 20th February 2009, at Mayapur:Radhanath Maharaja told me a very blissful story the other day and he said I could use it. So here goes! There was that Taj Hotel where the terrorists attacked. They were fighting in there for three days, complete carnage. The terrorists had arranged in such a way that they would always be up higher. They would shoot from a lower vantage point down. Radhanath Maharaja told me this. They had all these grenades and they would throw the grenades and the grenades would create so much smoke that if you were down looking up you couldn’t see anything.Picture that you are one of these soldiers or police officers and you are in this cloud of smoke and up above you there is this hail of bullets from the terrorists shooting at you. One of those soldiers was one of our devotees. At one point, they were trying to chase these people through the hotel. They are trapped. The terrorist were throwing all these grenades, they are in a complete cloud of smoke. They cannot see one foot in front of their face. They can’t see left, right or anything and this hail of bullets is being fired at them. Just a wall of bullets coming at them.This devotee police officer, with two other police officers on either side, he is in the middle, he actually was completely helpless. He couldn’t see left, right, he couldn’t see his colleagues. He remembered that he had on his ring tone on his phone Nrsimhadeva prayers. He began playing the Nrsimhadeva prayers and praying intently to Lord Nrsimhadeva, “Please I am absolutely helpless. I am going to die. Save me, I'm in an absolutelyhopeless state.â€When the shooting stopped, the smoke cleared, his friend to the right and his friend to the left were completely killed, riddled with bullets and he was unscathed. In front of him, which he couldn’t see at the time, was a giant pillar. And because they were shooting at him the pillar protectedhim.He thought, “Just as Lord Nrsimhadev came out of the pillar to save Prahlada, He put a pillar here to save me!†------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.46/2046 - Release 04/07/09 17:53:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009  Dear Radhe Namaste please help an ignorant one what is a metallic titanic man? in Sri Ramana Maharshi michael - Radhe Friday, April 10, 2009 2:32 AM Re: FW: A true story  Dear Ramesh garu :-) You are indeed a metallic man, with a soft heart. I just want to tell you what a pleasure it is to have you on this list. Most of us who post have been here for years, and it is so nice that you joined the family, and Dr. Raju also. You both bring some new insights to the group and more bhakti is always welcome. Do not worry about my use of the computer...that problem was a few weeks ago...now I am much better and it is OK to use it now. I have to smile at the perfection of your suggestion to chant simple mantras...my whole day is in and out of chanting...I sing to Him all day long really. When I sing I soar!!! He must get tired of hearing me :-) Love to you, Titanium man;-) In His Service, Radhe - ramesh chivukula Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:20 AM Re: FW: A true story Dear Radhe , A beautiful story .. I can very well undestand the intensity of the cervical pain ..having undergone two cervical spine surgery including a Titanium collar implant ( have 4 screws in the hip joint as well .. a very metallic person indeed ! ) .. You ought not to be using the computer atleast for a while .. as it is bound to increase the pain.. Am sure that even when "immersed " with your present state .. your soul must be soaring high ..Even a simple mantra like Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya .. will do wonders ! Wish you speedy recovery .. In his JOY ramesh --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Radhe <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: Radhe <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> FW: A true story Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 4:12 AM This had been posted in another group. When I read it I was moved by it and reminded just how easy my life is. Sometimes it is hard not to get "immersed." When the moment is there and things are happening, sometimes the cry for help comes before you can think about surrender to His will; then again, if He did not want to, He would not grant such requests :-) I myself had to stop myself a few weeks ago because I was in such physical pain from a herniated cervical disc. I found myself asking Him to take away the pain so I could play my harmonium again and then I had to take it back because I realized that I needed to surrender to whatever reason He had for this pain for me. Now I am doing much better but I realize that it is easy to say that I will endure whatever He sends my way until it comes my way :-) With love to all... In His Service, Radhe ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---- This is about an ISKCON devotee police officer who fought the terrorists during the siege of the Taj last year. Excerpted from Badrinarayan prabhu'slecture on 20th February 2009, at Mayapur:Radhanath Maharaja told me a very blissful story the other day and he said I could use it. So here goes! There was that Taj Hotel where the terrorists attacked. They were fighting in there for three days, complete carnage. The terrorists had arranged in such a way that they would always be up higher. They would shoot from a lower vantage point down. Radhanath Maharaja told me this. They had all these grenades and they would throw the grenades and the grenades would create so much smoke that if you were down looking up you couldn’t see anything.Picture that you are one of these soldiers or police officers and you are in this cloud of smoke and up above you there is this hail of bullets from the terrorists shooting at you. One of those soldiers was one of our devotees. At one point, they were trying to chase these people through the hotel. They are trapped. The terrorist were throwing all these grenades, they are in a complete cloud of smoke. They cannot see one foot in front of their face. They can’t see left, right or anything and this hail of bullets is being fired at them. Just a wall of bullets coming at them.This devotee police officer, with two other police officers on either side, he is in the middle, he actually was completely helpless. He couldn’t see left, right, he couldn’t see his colleagues. He remembered that he had on his ring tone on his phone Nrsimhadeva prayers. He began playing the Nrsimhadeva prayers and praying intently to Lord Nrsimhadeva, “Please I am absolutely helpless. I am going to die. Save me, I'm in an absolutelyhopeless state.â€When the shooting stopped, the smoke cleared, his friend to the right and his friend to the left were completely killed, riddled with bullets and he was unscathed. In front of him, which he couldn’t see at the time, was a giant pillar. And because they were shooting at him the pillar protectedhim.He thought, “Just as Lord Nrsimhadev came out of the pillar to save Prahlada, He put a pillar here to save me!†------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.46/2046 - Release 04/07/09 17:53:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.49/2050 - Release 04/09/09 10:27:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009  Dear Radhe again "throwing the oars in the water" w o n d e r f u l "bad karma" in michaels personal experience in this life all catastrophes and all terrible happenings have proved afterwards to be real blessing so the ways of GD are of course unknown to us independent of our real IQ even if this is one of the highest possible so throwing everything in the water is that what this person excepted finally and by doing this thru Grace blossoms.... in ITS Grace michael - Radhe Friday, April 10, 2009 2:31 AM Re: FW: A true story  Dear Alanji: Thank you for sharing your insights. While the ordinary mind may not be able to understand the Divine Ways, it is helpful if the ordinary mind realizes it is ordinary and trusts the ways of the Higher or Divine Wisdom. That is where Surrender comes in. And you are so right in saying that it may be a long time before the "reason" may become clear...sometimes years, perhaps a lifetime. Sometimes things happen just to push you in a certain direction you would not otherwise go. I often see people saying that this or that thing which happens is someone's bad karma. For people to think that all "bad" things which happen is a result of someone's bad karma is so judgmental and foolhardy. It is not for us to attempt to divinate the reasons behind Divine Wisdom. And Mirabai is one of my favorite saints. I have learned two of her bhajans so far and hope to add more in the future. She did not always ask for tribulation, though... here is one of my personal favorites... Guide this little boat over the waters, what can I give you for fare? Our mutable world holds nothing but grief, bear me away from it. Eight bonds of karma have gripped me, the whole of creation swirls through eight million wombs, through eight million birth-forms we flicker. Mira cries. Dark One take this little boat to the far shore, put an end to coming and going. In His Service and throwing the oars into the water, Radhe - Alan Jacobs Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:13 AM Re: FW: A true story Dear Rhadhe, After similar, but not such severe circumstances, I came to the conclusion that the ordinary mind cannot understand the ways of the Higher or Divine Wisdom which is always doing everything possible for our spiritual development, but we don't realise it at the time- yet, sooner or later it dawns on us, a long time afterwards. Even if we knew the reason it would only satisfy the mind. Faith, like love, conquers all things.Bhagavan said somewhere that 'all suffering is good- it leads to God Realisation'. I think through suffering we develop courage, equanimity and other virtues, leading to compassion for others. Mirabai used to pray for tribulation, because she said it brought her closer to Thou. I like the story about Narahimsa at the end. The LIon-Man has always intrigued me. Anyway I am glad to read that you are feeling somewhat better now. All Love, In His Ultimate Grace, Alan --- On Tue, 7/4/09, Radhe <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: Radhe <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> FW: A true story Date: Tuesday, 7 April, 2009, 11:42 PM This had been posted in another group. When I read it I was moved by it and reminded just how easy my life is. Sometimes it is hard not to get "immersed." When the moment is there and things are happening, sometimes the cry for help comes before you can think about surrender to His will; then again, if He did not want to, He would not grant such requests :-) I myself had to stop myself a few weeks ago because I was in such physical pain from a herniated cervical disc. I found myself asking Him to take away the pain so I could play my harmonium again and then I had to take it back because I realized that I needed to surrender to whatever reason He had for this pain for me. Now I am doing much better but I realize that it is easy to say that I will endure whatever He sends my way until it comes my way :-) With love to all... In His Service, Radhe ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---- This is about an ISKCON devotee police officer who fought the terrorists during the siege of the Taj last year. Excerpted from Badrinarayan prabhu'slecture on 20th February 2009, at Mayapur:Radhanath Maharaja told me a very blissful story the other day and he said I could use it. So here goes! There was that Taj Hotel where the terrorists attacked. They were fighting in there for three days, complete carnage. The terrorists had arranged in such a way that they would always be up higher. They would shoot from a lower vantage point down. Radhanath Maharaja told me this. They had all these grenades and they would throw the grenades and the grenades would create so much smoke that if you were down looking up you couldn’t see anything.Picture that you are one of these soldiers or police officers and you are in this cloud of smoke and up above you there is this hail of bullets from the terrorists shooting at you. One of those soldiers was one of our devotees. At one point, they were trying to chase these people through the hotel. They are trapped. The terrorist were throwing all these grenades, they are in a complete cloud of smoke. They cannot see one foot in front of their face. They can’t see left, right or anything and this hail of bullets is being fired at them. Just a wall of bullets coming at them.This devotee police officer, with two other police officers on either side, he is in the middle, he actually was completely helpless. He couldn’t see left, right, he couldn’t see his colleagues. He remembered that he had on his ring tone on his phone Nrsimhadeva prayers. He began playing the Nrsimhadeva prayers and praying intently to Lord Nrsimhadeva, “Please I am absolutely helpless. I am going to die. Save me, I'm in an absolutelyhopeless state.â€When the shooting stopped, the smoke cleared, his friend to the right and his friend to the left were completely killed, riddled with bullets and he was unscathed. In front of him, which he couldn’t see at the time, was a giant pillar. And because they were shooting at him the pillar protectedhim.He thought, “Just as Lord Nrsimhadev came out of the pillar to save Prahlada, He put a pillar here to save me!†------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.46/2046 - Release 04/07/09 17:53:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.49/2050 - Release 04/09/09 10:27:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 Dear Radheji, Nice to note that you are better now...It was by sheer accident that I bumped into Prof VK and he had advised me to join this group ..Ever since it has been a kind of a pleasant sojourn .. coupled with fact that there is a lean period at office and hence the possibility to read and write many mails..Otherwise ofcourse have to contend with silent prayers/ constant remambrance.. always a JOY to share with those who understand ..always learning from others' experiences and view points..It is great to note that you sing.. . My wife is trained carnatic vocalist , she can sing very soulful divine songs.. but she is not YET into the path or may be am mistaken , one never knows.. Mirabai is one of my favourites too ..She was the one who said that there is only ONE MAN in the whole universe and that is LORD KRISHNA and all the rest are women only ...ALL Beings have to bow to HIM...What a lovely thought !!! HE never gets TIRED at all .. even bathroom singers like me are DEAR to HIM ! In HIS LOVE and JOY ramesh --- On Fri, 4/10/09, Radhe <shaantih wrote: Radhe <shaantihRe: FW: A true story Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 6:02 AM  Dear Ramesh garu :-) You are indeed a metallic man, with a soft heart. I just want to tell you what a pleasure it is to have you on this list. Most of us who post have been here for years, and it is so nice that you joined the family, and Dr. Raju also. You both bring some new insights to the group and more bhakti is always welcome. Do not worry about my use of the computer...that problem was a few weeks ago...now I am much better and it is OK to use it now. I have to smile at the perfection of your suggestion to chant simple mantras...my whole day is in and out of chanting...I sing to Him all day long really. When I sing I soar!!! He must get tired of hearing me :-) Love to you, Titanium man;-) In His Service, Radhe - ramesh chivukula Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:20 AM Re: FW: A true story Dear Radhe , A beautiful story .. I can very well undestand the intensity of the cervical pain ..having undergone two cervical spine surgery including a Titanium collar implant ( have 4 screws in the hip joint as well .. a very metallic person indeed ! ) .. You ought not to be using the computer atleast for a while .. as it is bound to increase the pain.. Am sure that even when "immersed " with your present state .. your soul must be soaring high ..Even a simple mantra like Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya .. will do wonders ! Wish you speedy recovery .. In his JOY ramesh --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Radhe <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: Radhe <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> FW: A true storyWednesday, April 8, 2009, 4:12 AM This had been posted in another group. When I read it I was moved by it and reminded just how easy my life is. Sometimes it is hard not to get "immersed." When the moment is there and things are happening, sometimes the cry for help comes before you can think about surrender to His will; then again, if He did not want to, He would not grant such requests :-) I myself had to stop myself a few weeks ago because I was in such physical pain from a herniated cervical disc. I found myself asking Him to take away the pain so I could play my harmonium again and then I had to take it back because I realized that I needed to surrender to whatever reason He had for this pain for me. Now I am doing much better but I realize that it is easy to say that I will endure whatever He sends my way until it comes my way :-) With love to all... In His Service, Radhe ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---- This is about an ISKCON devotee police officer who fought the terrorists during the siege of the Taj last year. Excerpted from Badrinarayan prabhu'slecture on 20th February 2009, at Mayapur:Radhanath Maharaja told me a very blissful story the other day and he said I could use it. So here goes! There was that Taj Hotel where the terrorists attacked. They were fighting in there for three days, complete carnage. The terrorists had arranged in such a way that they would always be up higher. They would shoot from a lower vantage point down. Radhanath Maharaja told me this. They had all these grenades and they would throw the grenades and the grenades would create so much smoke that if you were down looking up you couldn’t see anything.Picture that you are one of these soldiers or police officers and you are in this cloud of smoke and up above you there is this hail of bullets from the terrorists shooting at you. One of those soldiers was one of our devotees. At one point, they were trying to chase these people through the hotel. They are trapped. The terrorist were throwing all these grenades, they are in a complete cloud of smoke. They cannot see one foot in front of their face. They can’t see left, right or anything and this hail of bullets is being fired at them. Just a wall of bullets coming at them.This devotee police officer, with two other police officers on either side, he is in the middle, he actually was completely helpless. He couldn’t see left, right, he couldn’t see his colleagues. He remembered that he had on his ring tone on his phone Nrsimhadeva prayers. He began playing the Nrsimhadeva prayers and praying intently to Lord Nrsimhadeva, “Please I am absolutely helpless. I am going to die. Save me, I'm in an absolutelyhopeless state.â€When the shooting stopped, the smoke cleared, his friend to the right and his friend to the left were completely killed, riddled with bullets and he was unscathed. In front of him, which he couldn’t see at the time, was a giant pillar. And because they were shooting at him the pillar protectedhim.He thought, “Just as Lord Nrsimhadev came out of the pillar to save Prahlada, He put a pillar here to save me!†------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.46/2046 - Release 04/07/09 17:53:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 Michael Bindel wrote: > > >  > > Dear Radhe > again > > " throwing the oars in the water " > > w o n d e r f u l > > > " bad karma " > > in michaels personal experience in this life > > all catastrophes and all terrible happenings have proved afterwards to > be real blessing > so the ways of GD are of course unknown to us > independent of our real IQ even if this is one of the highest possible > > so throwing everything in the water is that what this person excepted > finally and by doing this thru Grace blossoms.... > > in ITS Grace > > michael abandoning yourself corpse-like to the ever running river of life, you appear as moving fast to those watching from the shore… but when you submit fully to the current, merging with the flow - reposing whole in the present you do not move at all in love, yosy > > > > - > ** Radhe <shaantih > *To:* > > *Sent:* Friday, April 10, 2009 2:31 AM > *Subject:* Re: FW: A true story > >  > > Dear Alanji: > > Thank you for sharing your insights. While the ordinary mind may not > be able to understand the Divine Ways, it is helpful if the > ordinary mind realizes > it is ordinary and trusts the ways of the Higher or Divine Wisdom. > That is > where Surrender comes in. And you are so right in saying that it > may be > a long time before the " reason " may become clear...sometimes years, > perhaps a lifetime. Sometimes things happen just to push you in a > certain > direction you would not otherwise go. I often see people saying > that this > or that thing which happens is someone's bad karma. For people to > think that all " bad " > things which happen is a result of someone's bad karma is so > judgmental > and foolhardy. It is not for us to attempt to divinate the > reasons behind > Divine Wisdom. > > And Mirabai is one of my favorite saints. I have learned two of > her bhajans so far > and hope to add more in the future. She did not always ask for > tribulation, though... > > here is one of my personal favorites... > > Guide this little boat > over the waters, > what can I give you for fare? > > Our mutable world holds nothing but grief, > bear me away from it. > Eight bonds of karma > have gripped me, > the whole of creation > swirls through eight million wombs, > through eight million birth-forms we flicker. > > Mira cries. > Dark One > take this little boat to the far shore, > put an end to coming > and going. > > In His Service and throwing the oars into the water, > > Radhe > > > > > - > ** Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs > *To:* > > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:13 AM > *Subject:* Re: FW: A true story > > > > > Dear Rhadhe, > > After similar, but not such severe circumstances, I came to > the conclusion that the ordinary mind cannot understand the > ways of the Higher or Divine Wisdom which is always doing > everything possible for our spiritual development, but we > don't realise it at the time- yet, sooner or later it dawns on > us, a long time afterwards. Even if we knew the reason it > would only satisfy the mind. Faith, like love, conquers all > things.Bhagavan said somewhere that 'all suffering is good- it > leads to God Realisation'. I think through suffering we > develop courage, equanimity and other virtues, leading to > compassion for others. Mirabai used to pray for tribulation, > because she said it brought her closer to Thou. > > I like the story about Narahimsa at the end. The LIon-Man has > always intrigued me. > > Anyway I am glad to read that you are feeling somewhat better now. > > All Love, > > In His Ultimate Grace, > > Alan > > --- On *Tue, 7/4/09, Radhe /<shaantih/* wrote: > > > Radhe <shaantih > FW: A true story > > Tuesday, 7 April, 2009, 11:42 PM > > This had been posted in another group. When I read it > I was moved by it and reminded just how easy my life > is. Sometimes it is hard not to get " immersed. " > When the moment is there and things are happening, > sometimes the cry for help comes before you can think > about surrender to His will; then again, if He did not > want to, He would not grant such requests :-) > > I myself had to stop myself a few weeks ago because > I was in such physical pain from a herniated cervical > disc. I found myself asking Him to take away the pain > so I could play my harmonium again and then I had to > take it back because I realized that I needed to > surrender to whatever reason He had for this pain > for me. Now I am doing much better but I realize > that it is easy to say that I will endure whatever > He sends my way until it comes my way :-) > > With love to all... > > In His Service, > > Radhe > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- > --------- --------- ---- > > This is about an ISKCON devotee police officer > who fought the terrorists during the siege of the > Taj last year. Excerpted from Badrinarayan prabhu's > lecture on 20th February 2009, at Mayapur: > > Radhanath Maharaja told me a very blissful story > the other day and he said I could use it. So here goes! > There was that Taj Hotel where the terrorists attacked. > They were fighting in there for three days, complete > carnage. The terrorists had arranged in such a way > that they would always be up higher. They would shoot > from a lower vantage point down. Radhanath Maharaja > told me this. They had all these grenades and they would > throw the grenades and the grenades would create so > much smoke that if you were down looking up you > couldn’t see anything. > > Picture that you are one of these soldiers or police > officers and you are in this cloud of smoke and up > above you there is this hail of bullets from the terrorists > shooting at you. One of those soldiers was one of our > devotees. At one point, they were trying to chase these > people through the hotel. They are trapped. The terrorist > were throwing all these grenades, they are in a complete > cloud of smoke. They cannot see one foot in front of > their face. They can’t see left, right or anything and > this hail of bullets is being fired at them. Just a wall > of bullets coming at them. > > This devotee police officer, with two other police > officers on either side, he is in the middle, he actually > was completely helpless. He couldn’t see left, right, he > couldn’t see his colleagues. He remembered that he had > on his ring tone on his phone Nrsimhadeva prayers. > He began playing the Nrsimhadeva prayers and praying > intently to Lord Nrsimhadeva, “Please I am absolutely > helpless. I am going to die. Save me, I'm in an absolutely > hopeless state.†> > When the shooting stopped, the smoke cleared, his friend > to the right and his friend to the left were completely > killed, > riddled with bullets and he was unscathed. In front of him, > which he couldn’t see at the time, was a giant pillar. And > because they were shooting at him the pillar protected > him. > > He thought, “Just as Lord Nrsimhadev came out of the > pillar to save Prahlada, He put a pillar here to save me!†> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- > --------- -------- > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009  Namaste dear Michael: If you look below at Ramesh's post you will see him mention all of the surgeries he has had and the plates and screws, some of them Titanium, which have been placed into his body to stabilize his spine or perhaps replace lost parts :-( So he referred to himself as a metallic man and I was just picking up on that and affectionately teasing him in my response. Nothing profound, other than the miracles of modern medicine. Mundanely in His Service, Radhe Hare Krishna!!! - Michael Bindel Friday, April 10, 2009 1:52 AM Re: FW: A true story  Dear Radhe Namaste please help an ignorant one what is a metallic titanic man? in Sri Ramana Maharshi michael - Radhe Friday, April 10, 2009 2:32 AM Re: FW: A true story  Dear Ramesh garu :-) You are indeed a metallic man, with a soft heart. I just want to tell you what a pleasure it is to have you on this list. Most of us who post have been here for years, and it is so nice that you joined the family, and Dr. Raju also. You both bring some new insights to the group and more bhakti is always welcome. Do not worry about my use of the computer...that problem was a few weeks ago...now I am much better and it is OK to use it now. I have to smile at the perfection of your suggestion to chant simple mantras...my whole day is in and out of chanting...I sing to Him all day long really. When I sing I soar!!! He must get tired of hearing me :-) Love to you, Titanium man;-) In His Service, Radhe - ramesh chivukula Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:20 AM Re: FW: A true story Dear Radhe , A beautiful story .. I can very well undestand the intensity of the cervical pain ..having undergone two cervical spine surgery including a Titanium collar implant ( have 4 screws in the hip joint as well .. a very metallic person indeed ! ) .. You ought not to be using the computer atleast for a while .. as it is bound to increase the pain.. Am sure that even when "immersed " with your present state .. your soul must be soaring high ..Even a simple mantra like Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya .. will do wonders ! Wish you speedy recovery .. In his JOY ramesh --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Radhe <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: Radhe <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> FW: A true story Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 4:12 AM This had been posted in another group. When I read it I was moved by it and reminded just how easy my life is. Sometimes it is hard not to get "immersed." When the moment is there and things are happening, sometimes the cry for help comes before you can think about surrender to His will; then again, if He did not want to, He would not grant such requests :-) I myself had to stop myself a few weeks ago because I was in such physical pain from a herniated cervical disc. I found myself asking Him to take away the pain so I could play my harmonium again and then I had to take it back because I realized that I needed to surrender to whatever reason He had for this pain for me. Now I am doing much better but I realize that it is easy to say that I will endure whatever He sends my way until it comes my way :-) With love to all... In His Service, Radhe ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---- This is about an ISKCON devotee police officer who fought the terrorists during the siege of the Taj last year. Excerpted from Badrinarayan prabhu'slecture on 20th February 2009, at Mayapur:Radhanath Maharaja told me a very blissful story the other day and he said I could use it. So here goes! There was that Taj Hotel where the terrorists attacked. They were fighting in there for three days, complete carnage. The terrorists had arranged in such a way that they would always be up higher. They would shoot from a lower vantage point down. Radhanath Maharaja told me this. They had all these grenades and they would throw the grenades and the grenades would create so much smoke that if you were down looking up you couldn’t see anything.Picture that you are one of these soldiers or police officers and you are in this cloud of smoke and up above you there is this hail of bullets from the terrorists shooting at you. One of those soldiers was one of our devotees. At one point, they were trying to chase these people through the hotel. They are trapped. The terrorist were throwing all these grenades, they are in a complete cloud of smoke. They cannot see one foot in front of their face. They can’t see left, right or anything and this hail of bullets is being fired at them. Just a wall of bullets coming at them.This devotee police officer, with two other police officers on either side, he is in the middle, he actually was completely helpless. He couldn’t see left, right, he couldn’t see his colleagues. He remembered that he had on his ring tone on his phone Nrsimhadeva prayers. He began playing the Nrsimhadeva prayers and praying intently to Lord Nrsimhadeva, “Please I am absolutely helpless. I am going to die. Save me, I'm in an absolutelyhopeless state.â€When the shooting stopped, the smoke cleared, his friend to the right and his friend to the left were completely killed, riddled with bullets and he was unscathed. In front of him, which he couldn’t see at the time, was a giant pillar. And because they were shooting at him the pillar protectedhim.He thought, “Just as Lord Nrsimhadev came out of the pillar to save Prahlada, He put a pillar here to save me!†------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.46/2046 - Release 04/07/09 17:53:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.49/2050 - Release 04/09/09 10:27:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.48/2048 - Release 04/08/09 19:02:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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