P29,30,T28: Who casts off the illusion of I? Effort is Essential and Indispensable. Eagerness. Aid of the Master. End of I is end of "Mine"

[Guest guest]

I thought the current posting at

the Ramana Nisargadatta e group was excellent

so I am posting it at Nonduality Salon, Advaitin etc.

 

It answers so many questions such as

who casts off the illusion of I?

 

It also states that your effort

is essential and indispensable.

Even the Aid of the Master is not indispensable

according to Bhagavan Ramana.

 

The importance of Eagerness and an excellent

description of just how intense your eagerness

must be is included in this Talk also.

 

It also shows why Poonjaji's "no effort"

approach was doomed to failure.

 

I much appreciated Bhagavan Ramana pointing out

that the 'I' is evil.

 

The above commentary was not included in the

Ramana Nisargadatta e group posting because

postings there are made with no commentary.

 

--uarelove

 

TALKS WITH SRI RAMANA MAHARSHI

P29,30: Talk 28 continued:

 

Devotee: If 'I' also be an illusion,

who then casts off the illusion?

 

Maharshi: "The 'I' casts off the illusion of 'I'

 

and yet remains as 'I'.

 

Such is the paradox of Self-Realisation.

 

The realised do not see any contradiction in it.

 

Take the case of the Bhakti (devotee):

 

I approach Iswara (God) and pray to be absorbed in

Him.

 

I then surrender myself in faith and by concentration.

 

What remains afterwards?

 

In place of the original 'I',

 

perfect self-surrender leaves a residuum of God

 

in which the 'I' is lost.

 

This is the highest form of devotion (parabhakti),

 

prapatti, surrender or the height of

 

dispassion (vairagya).

 

You give up this and that of 'my' possessions.

 

If you give up 'I' and 'Mine' instead,

 

all are given up at a stroke.

 

The very seed of possession is lost.

 

Thus the evil is nipped in the bud

 

or crushed in the germ itself.

 

Dispassion (vairagya) must be very strong to do this.

 

Eagerness to do it must be equal to that of

 

a man kept under water

 

trying to rise up to the surface for his life."

 

Devotee: Cannot this trouble and difficulty be

lessened with the aid of a Master or an

Istha Devata (God chosen for worship)?

Cannot they give the power to see our Self as it is-

-to change us into themselves-

to take us into Self-Realization?

 

Maharshi: "Ishta Devata and Guru are aids-

 

very powerful aids on this path.

 

But an aid to be effective requires your effort also.

 

Your effort is sine qua non (an indispensable

 

or essential condition, element, or factor).

 

It is you who should see the sun.

 

Can spectacles and the sun see for you?

 

You yourself have to see your true nature.

 

Not much aid is required for doing it!"

 

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The postings are only done between once per week

and once per month, therefore you can select the

individual e mail option without having to be

concerned

about your e mail box filling up.

 

--uarelove

 

 

 

 

 

 

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