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Once I, Chuang Chou, dreamed I was a butterfly and was happy as a

butterfly. I was conscious that I was quite pleased with myself, but

I did not know that I was Chuang Chou.

Suddenly I awoke, and there was I, visibly Chuang Chou. I do not know

whether it was Chuang Chou dreaming that he was a butterfly or the

butterfly dreaming that he was Chuang Chou. Between Chuang Chou and

the butterfly there must be some distinction. This is called the

transformation of things.

- Chuang Tzu, Chapter 2

Mace Mealer <mmealer (AT) arc (DOT) net>To:

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Dzogchen <Dzogchen >; Illuminata

<Illuminata >Friday, December 29, 2000 3:34

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Understanding Beyond Knowledge The Dream within a Dream

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Maybe the good old excentric taoist Chuang Tzu would have pondered: Is it me

thinking the butterfly is nice - or is someone admiring me as the butterfly?

 

"What's here is everywhere;

what isn't here is nowhere"

(Tantra)

 

"Everything exists in our mind;

there isn't anything out there"

(Yogachara Buddhism)

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Hi Magne,

 

Your quote:

> "Everything exists in our mind;

> there isn't anything out there"

> (Yogachara Buddhism)

 

You remember that I find such a statement symptomatic of some kind of

mental pathology. Now I definitely do not want to put Sri Ramana

Maharshi, the Buddha, or Avalokiteshvara Bodhisattva in the same

category as other Advaitins, Buddhist or Hindi yogic approaches that

to the above statement. But after a lot of deep thinking and

based on some intense experiences I think my viewpoint warrants

consideration.

 

http://aurasphere.dhs.org/Kundalini%20Posts/PathologyOfIllusion

 

I could go into this some more, but so far I think I have written enough

about it. Anyway it is a start.

I will add more posts (still editing and sorting) on that subject to the

above web page.

 

Love,

Wim

 

http://www.aurasphere.dhs.org

 

"Indirect knowledge gathered from books or teachers can never set a

human free until its truth is investigated, applied, experimented with

and experienced. Only direct, factual and actual realization does that.

Realize your whole self, reintegrate your mind and body." - Tripura

Rahasya, 18: 89-90

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