Guest guest Posted January 18, 2001 Report Share Posted January 18, 2001 Dear Antoine You wrote: > Also there is a nice theory in physics that > goes that there is only one photon. And I have posted about that, as I experienced it some years ago, I call IT the "one article." The theory originated with John Wheeler and Richard Feynman of Princeton I believe, however in those days Wheeler thought it was the electron instead of the photon. They later on jokingly thought they should forget about it. In one of my experiential visions IT became abundantly SELF evident. Of course in science it is prudent to call it a theory etc. etc. I do not have enough scientific background to write about it in a lucid manner, but I have posted on it various times, accounting of it as a mystical visionary experience which is nevertheless as truthful as a proven scientific theory. This experience by the way is nothing special as it is what is... and is recoverable by anyone... as it is what is... Let me see if I can find the posts... Here's one: - Wim Borsboom <aurasphere Kundalini <Kundalini-Gateway >; ; December 25, 2000 9:10 PM Re: Happening Dear So and So, Your experiences are of course very wonderful and truthful... experiences of the holy, the mysterious, mystical and... physical... in the realities of the human body and our good and lovely earth. A watchful witnessing participation in its creative, generative even genetic processes. Instead of astral travel in the 'outside world', I also move into the 'inside worlds', the miniscule worlds inside the body, organs, cells, atoms, molecular structures, subnuclear particles. Of course size is only relative as ONE is really nothing of any size. If anything, one is the energetic presence of an electron (huh??) (more on that later). <snips> Do you remember, a little while ago, I wrote about the one particle concept, Richard Feynman and John Wheeler (Princeton) fantasizing that "there only be just one particle". Only one particle (no more) that figured out that when it moved (--- the first happening ---) and when it did that quickly enough, a hilarious divine cheat and feat occurred, it would be in two places at once, and then faster, in four, then eight, then sixteen etc. 'exponential'. (This is my experiential version of the event as R.F. and J.W. thought in terms of a worldline, my version is in multi dimensional time.) Then before 'it' knew - and that was 'its' game - it would be 'all over the place' as 'it' created space and time doing that --- just that one particle --- I call it the ONE ARTICLE, Leon Ledermann calls it the God Particle, although he does not mean exactly the same. There is something so fantastically great about that, we are not just 'all one', we are 'all just one', as we are 'one and all'. A timeless and spaceless divine presence and consciousness that is able to 'know' as well as 'not know' about its whereabouts. It can be momentarily aware or unaware at an any intersection of its own meandering roadways in the 'time and space grids' that it itself so playfully creates in the first place, 'right off the bat". When I went through this experience, it not being conceptual... "I witnesses and perceives as well as participates" (Sorry, hehehe, this is funny language. I will have to leave it like that.) I am the particle AND of course (between you and me) YOU are that as well... as WE participate in each other, are each other's artefact and sacrifact., artifice and sacrifice, artful and holy action in communicative embrace. This experience is the most primal and enduring, it is BEING BEEN actively and passively, creatively and surrenderingly. I have gone through other later (?) evolutionary stages of existence, all happening of course in this moment, but relatively we might consider them happening over time, such are our conceptual agreements. What is happening with you?! Might that not be of the same kind as my creational realizations? Your consciousness becoming at one with that 'particular / articular' divine consciousness, your participation in the natural energetic cosmic processes also on a physical level in addition to the conscious and spiritual one...? 'That all this is', in time and space, I consider the miracle. It is no sweat to be God. It is fascinating to be all this in its myriad of forms! If I were God (hehehe) I would do exactly what is happening now (heehee). I, at one point, stopped the intensity of my macro and micro cosmic watches as my functionality changed for the time being. Although still, all through the day I am aware of all these macro as well as micro happenings, Love, Wim http://www.aurasphere.dhs.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2001 Report Share Posted January 18, 2001 Hi Wim, I don't know if you are trying to be ironic here, but I hear this as irony... Wim Borsboom wrote: > I do not have enough scientific background to write about it in a > lucid > manner, but I have posted on it various times, accounting of it as a > mystical visionary experience which is nevertheless as truthful as a > proven scientific theory. The whole point of science is that one can never prove a scientific theory. It's impossible. What happens is that scientific theories are conditionally accepted so long as there is no hard evidence against them. Once there is agreement that a theory does not fit the facts, no matter how long people have believed in it, it gets chucked. Newton's law of gravity held up for hundreds of years before Einstein shot it down. So, I either read your comments as saying that this mystical visionary experience is NOT true, or that you (as many others - no judgement here at all on this score) don't appreciate the way science works. I find it frustrating when people assume that science deals in proof and authority, when in reality, it is just the opposite. Science has been so successful in ferreting out the material secrets of the world by doubting itself. (Kind of an "anti-faith" principle.) Anyway, I think your mystical experience stands on its own and doesn't need the false propping up against some "authoritative" science. People who have had mystical experiences will easily grant you yours and those who have not and are skeptical won't believe you no matter what you say. I like the way you describe the one particle hypothesis in your early posts. That guy really gets around, huh? Yum! Love, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2001 Report Share Posted January 18, 2001 Mark W. Otter [mark.otter] comment to Wim: The whole point of science is that one can never prove a scientific theory. It's impossible. What happens is that scientific theories are conditionally accepted so long as there is no hard evidence against them. Once there is agreement that a theory does not fit the facts, no matter how long people have believed in it, it gets chucked. Newton's law of gravity held up for hundreds of years before Einstein shot it down. So, I either read your comments as saying that this mystical visionary experience is NOT true, or that you (as many others - no judgement here at all on this score) don't appreciate the way science works. I find it frustrating when people assume that science deals in proof and authority, when in reality, it is just the opposite. Science has been so successful in ferreting out the material secrets of the world by doubting itself. (Kind of an "anti-faith" principle.) Anyway, I think your mystical experience stands on its own and doesn't need the false propping up against some "authoritative" science. People who have had mystical experiences will easily grant you yours and those who have not and are skeptical won't believe you no matter what you say. I like the way you describe the one particle hypothesis in your early posts. That guy really gets around, huh? Yum! Love, Mark Thanks for contributing this Mark. I don't know if everyone here has been introduced. Mark Otter is one of the most brilliant people I have met on the internet. His background in both science, breathwork and mysticism allows him to see things in perspective. Mark's students at the SUNY are fortunate to have him as a professor for a semester. We are even more fortunate. We have this genius for our whole life to learn from! Love Harsha // All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2001 Report Share Posted January 18, 2001 Just quickly Mark, Haven't read all your comments, But I love science. Love, Wim - Mark W. Otter <mark.otter January 18, 2001 6:26 AM Re: The Preposterous P - Article > Hi Wim, > > I don't know if you are trying to be ironic here, but I hear this as > irony... > > Wim Borsboom wrote: > > > I do not have enough scientific background to write about it in a > > lucid > > manner, but I have posted on it various times, accounting of it as a > > mystical visionary experience which is nevertheless as truthful as a > > proven scientific theory. > > The whole point of science is that one can never prove a scientific > theory. It's impossible. What happens is that scientific theories are > conditionally accepted so long as there is no hard evidence against > them. Once there is agreement that a theory does not fit the facts, no > matter how long people have believed in it, it gets chucked. Newton's > law of gravity held up for hundreds of years before Einstein shot it > down. So, I either read your comments as saying that this mystical > visionary experience is NOT true, or that you (as many others - no > judgement here at all on this score) don't appreciate the way science > works. I find it frustrating when people assume that science deals in > proof and authority, when in reality, it is just the opposite. Science > has been so successful in ferreting out the material secrets of the > world by doubting itself. (Kind of an "anti-faith" principle.) Anyway, > I think your mystical experience stands on its own and doesn't need the > false propping up against some "authoritative" science. People who have > had mystical experiences will easily grant you yours and those who have > not and are skeptical won't believe you no matter what you say. I like > the way you describe the one particle hypothesis in your early posts. > That guy really gets around, huh? Yum! > > Love, Mark > > > // > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at > www., and select the User Center link from the menu bar > on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription > between digest and normal mode. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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