children/meat-eating

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:32:24 Gregory Goode wrote:

>About the substitutes -- don't know the name, but my Chinese Buddhist

>friends have turned me on to a wonderful Taiwanese soy product that has the

>same visual appearance and consistency as a kind of sliceable lunch meat.

>It tastes like sliced ham or turkey, and is great cold as a lunch-meat

>substitute, or fried as a sausage substitute, or cooked in faux-meat and

>vegetable dishes. Never rubbery like so many other substitutes. It tastes

>better than the thing it stands in for! Great entre' to vegetarianism. If

>anyone is interested, I'll try to find the name.

>

 

There is also something to be said for raw foods, as others have mentioned here

before.

 

My personal experience is that was difficult to stop eating meat as vegetarian

food felt like it didn't afford enough energy for long work days (and little sun

light).

 

The energy contained in raw, uncooked vegetables and fruits is much higher than

in cooked food. This extra energy content in raw foods can make for an easier

transition from meat based to vegetarian if the body system has a high rate of

metabolism.

 

 

Love,

 

Amanda.

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I agree with the problems w/ soy and wheat. Soy produces some the the same

allergic reactions as does dairy (sinus, mucous and intestinal

inflammation). Wheat can create bloating and the swelling of the stomach,

the face, and the sockets around the eyes. I love wheat, not crazy about

soy, and eat both in moderation.

 

Many of my friends have gone on and off raw food diets. Not always the

same good results as in Stoycoff's book - sometimes just emaciation and

irritability.

 

Love,

 

--Greg

 

At 11:03 AM 1/19/01 -0800, Mark Hovila wrote:

>>>>

I prefer my kids eating meat substitutes to meat, but soy and wheat have

their problems, too. Most of these products are highly processed and

usually have a very high salt content. I think it's more important to get

them to eat as many raw fruits and vegetables as possible. Stick a salad

in front of them at mealtime no matter how much they complain. Let them

get their fat and protein from nuts, avocados, young coconuts, flax and

olive oils, etc. Cooked fats and proteins, even of plant origin, have

problems.

 

I have a very informative book called Raw Kids: Transitioning Children to a

Raw Food Diet, by Cheryl Stoycoff

(<http://www.cherylstoycoff.com>www.cherylstoycoff.com). You also might

want to check out Raw Family (<http://www.rawfamily.com>www.rawfamily.com).

I heard the two kids speak here in Seattle during a raw food class taught

by their mother. At age 9 the boy was diagnosed with diabetes, which

prompted his mother to switch the family to a 100% raw food diet. Within a

few weeks all of his symptoms disappeared. The other members of the family

had incredible improvements, too.

 

Mark

[Guest guest]

Greg,

> Many of my friends have gone on and off raw food diets. Not always the

> same good results as in Stoycoff's book - sometimes just emaciation and

> irritability.

 

Few people stick to a 100% raw plant food diet, for a variety of reasons.

And even fewer people are able to raise their children that way. But if

people would eat just 50% raw, it would make a world of difference. I

suspect that the average person in this country eats less than 5% raw, and a

large percentage of the rest of the food they eat is highly processed. No

wonder we have huge problems with heart disease, diabetes, cancer, obesity,

etc.

 

One thing that has helped me to increase my raw food consumtpion

is an Internet support group: www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html. Also, many

cities now have raw food groups which hold raw potlucks.

 

Harsha,

>society. That is not easy and that is why I liked Greg's suggestion for

that soy product. If you are being able to >raised your children most on raw

foods smoothly, that is wonderful Mark. You are our inspiration! By the way,

>how to you keep grandma and grandpa from sneaking candies to them.

 

Yes, I did not mean to be critical of Greg's suggestion, but to offer

another point of view. I should have praised him for it. If people would

stop eating meat and dairy it would be wonderful for them, the environment

and, last but not least, the animals. Unfortunately, I am a failure when it

comes to raising my children on raw foods. My wife handles the majority of

the child raising duties and she does not agree with my views on this. The

kids tend to follow her habits rather than mine. I do what I can to

influence them, but it is a work in progress. Mostly, I am trying to set an

example of vibrant health for my wife and kids.

 

Mark

[Guest guest]

On 1/21/01 at 12:12 AM Mark Hovila wrote:

 

[...]

º

ºYes, I did not mean to be critical of Greg's suggestion, but to offer

ºanother point of view. I should have praised him for it. If people would

ºstop eating meat and dairy it would be wonderful for them, the environment

ºand, last but not least, the animals. Unfortunately, I am a failure when

ºit

ºcomes to raising my children on raw foods. My wife handles the majority of

ºthe child raising duties and she does not agree with my views on this. The

ºkids tend to follow her habits rather than mine. I do what I can to

ºinfluence them, but it is a work in progress. Mostly, I am trying to set

ºan

ºexample of vibrant health for my wife and kids.

º

ºMark

 

Hi Mark,

 

Don't consider yourself a failure - despite the fact of being an example of

"abundant health and energy", not once in my life did that convince anyone to

adopt raw food veganism or "just" vegetarianism. And of course, arguments never

had any effect either... And from the many talks on the subject, a few of the

funniest responses I got

 

1) The joy of meat and fast food is worth all the colds and flu I get...

2) What works for your body, doesn't work for mine...

3) Humans do have teeth as a predator...

4) In a cold climate one must consume hot food...

5) You are an example no one can follow...

6) Eating is a pleasant social activity and I'm willing to pay the price of

disease...

 

One could remark a controversy about a triviality like "optimum" food could be

easily "solved" but this would require "enough" rationality to be the impartial

witness of oneself - anyone capable of that will automatically find his/her way

without assistance and for those, not capable, examples, books, studies, it will

be moot until suffering starts to remove the "inner resistance".

 

As a consolation, there can be even a rift in a family - one or more members "in

the world but not of it", the other members making a mockery out of that...

 

Hence the favorite dictum "things can always get worse"

 

Jan

[Guest guest]

Hi Harsha,

 

One thing Americans can do to eat more raw foods is eat salads! I love

salads and have about 5 or 6 a week. Sometimes a salad is the only thing I

have for dinner that day.

 

Love,

 

--Greg

 

At 12:12 AM 1/21/01 -0800, Mark Hovila wrote:

>Greg,

>

>> Many of my friends have gone on and off raw food diets. Not always the

>> same good results as in Stoycoff's book - sometimes just emaciation and

>> irritability.

>

>Few people stick to a 100% raw plant food diet, for a variety of reasons.

>And even fewer people are able to raise their children that way. But if

>people would eat just 50% raw, it would make a world of difference. I

>suspect that the average person in this country eats less than 5% raw, and a

>large percentage of the rest of the food they eat is highly processed. No

>wonder we have huge problems with heart disease, diabetes, cancer, obesity,

>etc.

>

>One thing that has helped me to increase my raw food consumtpion

>is an Internet support group: www.rawtimes.com/rawlife.html. Also, many

>cities now have raw food groups which hold raw potlucks.

[Guest guest]

 

Gregory Goode [goode]

Tuesday, January 23, 2001 12:27 PM

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Re: children/meat-eating

 

 

Hi Harsha,

 

One thing Americans can do to eat more raw foods is eat salads! I love

salads and have about 5 or 6 a week. Sometimes a salad is the only thing I

have for dinner that day.

 

Love,

__-

Good advice Greg! I will try to have one before my class tonight.

 

I just want the raw foodists to know that I had four oranges and two apples

in the last 4 hours.

 

I also want the cooked food people to know that I had garbanzo beans soup

with vegetables last night.

 

Just want everyone to be happy and get along! :-).

 

Great poem by Swami Yogananda, Mazie. Nice pictures and poetry Mace. You

have got an eye for beauty!

 

Thanks Robert for Sengtsan. Enjoying it immensly.

 

The discussion on food is great Jan, Amanda, Mark, Jill, David, Andrew. I

would join it but am too busy eating. Ha, Ha.

 

Will write more later. HS Magazine coming out soon.

 

Love

Harsha