Guest guest Posted January 24, 2001 Report Share Posted January 24, 2001 Hi Gill, I'm not an expert, but I am curious to know what happens if you sit in a meditation posture, erect spine, lean your head back and allow yourself to yawn? Trying it standing might be interesting too, but I recommend the sitting first, as the risk of falling down is less. I've mentioned this a few times on this and NDS, and never gotten any response, but I find yawning to be very powerful in moving energy through my body, seems cleansing, and as I have no teacher and know no one particularly familiar with K, I don't really know if it is that or not. Anyway, I would love to hear your reaction. It's a simple technique, and I find that if I sit and do it repeatedly (actually I prefer standing - in the shower if possible), it gets intense, and I usually stop before it gets too intense. Again, no one has ever responded to my posts about this, so I have absolutely no idea how this manifests in anyone other than myself, so I recommend cautious experimentation. Holotropic breathwork might also be a means to keep this going. It certainly is a powerful, and yet perfectly legal way to access nonordinary states of consciousness, which really works. Usually when I mention the breathing on the lists, people pop up to question whether it is safe - because of their concern that it will raise the kundalini. If you want to keep the k going, that may well be a way to do so, and it's a safe container, with knowledgable people right there, which may be better than doing this alone. (trained facilitators all have done a week-long module on spiritual emergency. I'm in the training and I head out to Sedona in February for that module, so I don't really know what they cover, but I presume that K is mentioned and people have been given guidance on dealing with unwelcome spontaneous arisings. If the breathing caused yours to flare up, you would be prepared for it, so I doubt that it would be a problem. When I do the breathwork, I almost always yawn during the process, which I think the folks there don't understand or include in their models, but it pushes the breathwork up to a new plane. The combination is delicious. (my body jerks and snaps, and I often wonder why I don't break my neck, but it seems healing. I forget who, but some famous guru commented sarcastically about this phenomenon that it was "jerk yoga". Oh well, if I am a jerk, so be it...) Good luck, Gill! Keep it flying! love, Mark Gill Collingwood wrote: > hi everyone, > > I'd appreciate some advice... I had a kundalini awakening on > Saturday night/Sunday morning <big grin>. Of course, the feeling > has faded a lot, but it's still there if I sit quietly, but I'm a bit > worried > it might just die down again completely (especially as it was drug- > triggered), so I'd like to know what I can do to make sure it keeps > going. > > love, > gill > > eGroups Sponsor [Choose 3 DVDs for $0.49 each!] Choose 3 DVDs for $0.49 each! > > // > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and > subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not > different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the > nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always > Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart > to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the > Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It > Self. Welcome all to a. > > To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at > www., and select the User Center link > from the menu bar > on the left. This menu will also let you change > your subscription > between digest and normal mode. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2001 Report Share Posted January 24, 2001 Hi Mark, Thanks for the encouragement. I just tried the yawning, and it made me a little lightheaded after a while, but didn't seem to do anything else. I've been thinking about doing holotropic breathwork for a while, so thanks for the reminder -- I've got the details of some people who do it in this country, somewhere. I find it interesting that holotropic breathwork was developed as a legal alternative to LSD! I guess I must be a jerk, too, as I was still getting them right through to sunday afternoon... they went on long after the more mental and emotional aspects had finished. Angelique's grounding meditation seems to help, so I'm going to keep doing that whenever I remember, as well. love, gill > Hi Gill, > > I'm not an expert, but I am curious to know what happens if you sit in a > meditation posture, erect spine, lean your head back and allow yourself to > yawn? Trying it standing might be interesting too, but I recommend the > sitting first, as the risk of falling down is less. I've mentioned this a > few times on this and NDS, and never gotten any response, but I find > yawning to be very powerful in moving energy through my body, seems > cleansing, and as I have no teacher and know no one particularly familiar > with K, I don't really know if it is that or not. Anyway, I would love to > hear your reaction. It's a simple technique, and I find that if I sit and > do it repeatedly (actually I prefer standing - in the shower if possible), > it gets intense, and I usually stop before it gets too intense. Again, no > one has ever responded to my posts about this, so I have absolutely no > idea how this manifests in anyone other than myself, so I recommend > cautious experimentation. Holotropic breathwork might also be a means to > keep this going. It certainly is a powerful, and yet perfectly legal way > to access nonordinary states of consciousness, which really works. > Usually when I mention the breathing on the lists, people pop up to > question whether it is safe - because of their concern that it will raise > the kundalini. If you want to keep the k going, that may well be a way to > do so, and it's a safe container, with knowledgable people right there, > which may be better than doing this alone. (trained facilitators all have > done a week-long module on spiritual emergency. I'm in the training and I > head out to Sedona in February for that module, so I don't really know > what they cover, but I presume that K is mentioned and people have been > given guidance on dealing with unwelcome spontaneous arisings. If the > breathing caused yours to flare up, you would be prepared for it, so I > doubt that it would be a problem. When I do the breathwork, I almost > always yawn during the process, which I think the folks there don't > understand or include in their models, but it pushes the breathwork up to > a new plane. The combination is delicious. (my body jerks and snaps, and > I often wonder why I don't break my neck, but it seems healing. I forget > who, but some famous guru commented sarcastically about this phenomenon > that it was "jerk yoga". Oh well, if I am a jerk, so be it...) Good luck, > Gill! Keep it flying! > > love, Mark > > Gill Collingwood wrote: > > > hi everyone, > > > > I'd appreciate some advice... I had a kundalini awakening on > > Saturday night/Sunday morning <big grin>. Of course, the feeling > > has faded a lot, but it's still there if I sit quietly, but I'm a bit > > worried it might just die down again completely (especially as it was > > drug- triggered), so I'd like to know what I can do to make sure it > > keeps going. > > > > love, > > gill > > > > eGroups Sponsor > [Choose 3 DVDs for $0.49 each!] > Choose 3 DVDs for $0.49 each! > > > > > // > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and > > subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not > > different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the > > nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always > > Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart > > to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the > > Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. > > Welcome all to a. > > > > To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at > > www., and select the User Center link > > from the menu bar > > on the left. This menu will also let you change > > your subscription > > between digest and normal mode. > > > > > > > > > // > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and > subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not > different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the > nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. > It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the > Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of > Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome > all to a. > > To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at > www., and select the User Center link from > the menu bar on the left. This menu will also let you > change your subscription between digest and normal > mode. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2001 Report Share Posted January 24, 2001 On 1/24/01 at 12:04 PM Gill Collingwood wrote: ºhi everyone, º ºI'd appreciate some advice... I had a kundalini awakening on ºSaturday night/Sunday morning <big grin>. Of course, the feeling ºhas faded a lot, but it's still there if I sit quietly, but I'm a bit ºworried ºit might just die down again completely (especially as it was drug- ºtriggered), so I'd like to know what I can do to make sure it keeps ºgoing. º ºlove, ºgill Hi Gill, >From the "food" thread you could find out if "light diet" works for you But from another angle, all that matters is what could be called "transformation of emotive energy" - not the workouts of Hatha yoga and similar exercises - that will only open channels temporarily, with a few exceptions: those who would have "arrived" without those exercises nevertheless (LOL). I hope it will be clear that among others, it is a matter of "temperament" too as with a tamasic predisposition, even the transformation of all available energy would remain without (noticeable) effect whereas with a more "energetic" disposition, a little transformation would be noticeable immediately, but not what caused it... In tantra, regarding "temperament" or "disposition", there is a similar classification as with the gunas (tamas, rajas, sattva): pashu, vira, divya. Regarding transformation, in Rosicrucian circles I've known, there is the dictum "the one who is ripe will understand immediately" - there isn't much to explain to it... The whole "affair" is so natural/sensible etc. that without any knowledge I could apply effortlessly Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2001 Report Share Posted January 24, 2001 Hi Gill: Perhaps you could simply surrender to the "grace" of the experience. Attachment to the action could get you into some difficult reaction....do not know if the world needs another "awakened" human being more than one that is "enlightened". Linda > > Gill Collingwood wrote:> > > hi everyone,> >> > I'd appreciate some advice... I had a kundalini awakening on> > Saturday night/Sunday morning <big grin>. Of course, the feeling> > has faded a lot, but it's still there if I sit quietly, but I'm a bit> > worried it might just die down again completely (especially as it was> > drug- triggered), so I'd like to know what I can do to make sure it> > keeps going.> >> > love,> > gill> >> > eGroups Sponsor> [Choose 3 DVDs for $0.49 each!]> Choose 3 DVDs for $0.49 each!> > >> > //> >> > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,> > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and> > subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not> > different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the> > nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always> > Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart> > to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the> > Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.> > Welcome all to a.> >> > To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at> > www., and select the User Center link> > from the menu bar> > on the left. This menu will also let you change> > your subscription> > between digest and normal mode.> >> >> >> > > // > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,> perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and> subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not> different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the> nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present.> It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the> Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of> Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome> all to a.> > To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at> www., and select the User Center link from> the menu bar on the left. This menu will also let you> change your subscription between digest and normal> mode.> > > > // All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at www., and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription between digest and normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2001 Report Share Posted January 24, 2001 Hi Linda, I'll try -- difficult tho it is... I'm sure the world will carry on quite happily whatever state I happen to be in! gill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2001 Report Share Posted January 24, 2001 I dunno, Gil... Maybe you should stay out of North Dakota. sorry, I'm feeling silly again, Mark Gill Collingwood wrote: > Hi Linda, > > I'll try -- difficult tho it is... > I'm sure the world will carry on quite happily whatever state I > happen to be in! > > gill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2001 Report Share Posted January 24, 2001 Mark, you never need to apologise for a good joke. That, however, was a dreadful one! <g> gill > I dunno, Gil... Maybe you should stay out of North Dakota. > > sorry, I'm feeling silly again, > Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 Hi Gill: I'm sure the world will carry on but it will give me great joy if I do not have to read posts from another "K" inspired, self-proclaimed spiritual accomplished "one" :-). Linda Hi Linda,I'll try -- difficult tho it is...I'm sure the world will carry on quite happily whatever state I happen to be in!gill// All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at www., and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription between digest and normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 Hey Linda, How about a "Special-K" inspired, self-proclaimed spiritually accomplished "one"? (I'm eating breakfast, and I think I am breaking (through) fast... Love, Mark ps no, turned out just to be breaking wind. pps just chant the special K mantra once or twice and you will be fooly realized, just like me. JUST LIKE ME, I SAY!!!! Oooooh, I like this spirituality stuff... he, he, he. ppps now how do I start making money at this? Maybe Sahajman! Sahajman! can teach me. He's in the 101st tax bracket. LC wrote: > Hi Gill: I'm sure the world will carry on but it will give me great > joy if I do not have to read posts from another "K" inspired, > self-proclaimed spiritual accomplished "one" :-). Linda > > > Hi Linda, > > I'll try -- difficult tho it is... > I'm sure the world will carry on quite happily whatever > state I > happen to be in! > > gill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 Dear gill, Any experience that is triggered by an extrenious agent (in your case-Drugs) is not worth repeating since the original experience itself is 'fake'.You may as well take five large scotch whiskies slowly sipping the same over a period of one hour or more without any eats to nibble and you will find after your third drink is over that you are already floating in a state of K-arousal!Actually it is not any such thing at all!!!Except a case of your mind losing its sense of sensing!In a stupor, so to say, which is the last thing to be desired to become enlighteaned.The purpose of Kundalini arousal is for self enlightenment of a very high order and has nothing to do with our day to day pleasures that our mind and body are acacustomed to and are craving for! Love and God Bless You! Hari Om! Swaminarayan --- Gill Collingwood <gill wrote: > hi everyone, > > I'd appreciate some advice... I had a kundalini > awakening on > Saturday night/Sunday morning <big grin>. Of course, > the feeling > has faded a lot, but it's still there if I sit > quietly, but I'm a bit worried > it might just die down again completely (especially > as it was drug- > triggered), so I'd like to know what I can do to > make sure it keeps > going. > > love, > gill > Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 Dear Swaminarayan, I'm intrigued to know how one can tell the difference between a 'real' K-awakening and a 'false' one that just happens to feel, in every respect, like the real thing? gill ps I must disagree with the bit about the alcohol -- I have (a very long time ago) been very drunk and never experienced anything remotely similar... > > Dear gill, > > Any experience that is triggered by an extrenious > agent (in your case-Drugs) is not worth repeating > since the original experience itself is 'fake'.You may > as well take five large scotch whiskies slowly sipping > the same over a period of one hour or more without any > eats to nibble and you will find after your third > drink is over that you are already floating in a state > of K-arousal!Actually it is not any such thing at > all!!!Except a case of your mind losing its sense of > sensing!In a stupor, so to say, which is the last > thing to be desired to become enlighteaned.The purpose > of Kundalini arousal is for self enlightenment of a > very high order and has nothing to do with our day to > day pleasures that our mind and body are acacustomed > to and are craving for! > > Love and God Bless You! > > Hari Om! > > Swaminarayan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 On 1/25/01 at 6:28 PM Gill Collingwood wrote: ºDear Swaminarayan, º ºI'm intrigued to know how one can tell the difference between a º'real' K-awakening and a 'false' one that just happens to feel, in ºevery respect, like the real thing? Hi Gill, An "easy" response, even I can give, is that many if not all "real" K. awakenings have been described in literature, veiled, in such a way that recognition is possible "after", whereas "before", such a story would be "just" a nice though rather meaningless story. A striking example to me, was from an Evans-Wentz translation regarding the life of Padma Sambhava: at a certain moment, a bird of prey inflicts a painful wound at his chest. And from there, the consort enters his life and the story gets somewhat "complicated"... So I could put the question "who can recognize one's K. awakening in Padma Sambhava's biography as translated by Evans-Wentz?" Or in the "Alchemical wedding" by Christian Rosenkreutz, or a story like Snow White, or the Sleeping Beauty, to name a few more... And these are just some Western sources... - nothing to add, apart from the much needed affirmation one isn't losing one's mind or getting crazy, as everything that is known/believed/felt etc. will be uprooted in the process - in other words, one will be "left" without any reference, whether "internal" or "external", utterly "alone" and unless one is fearless, that will be frightening... The above is not to state there are "false" K. awakenings, only that when a "real" awakening has taken place, one will know, as "the bird of prey will strike again" and nothing could prevent that Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 Hi Mark: If you are looking for pictures to go on the box if the $ is right I'm sure there more than a few who would apply :-). Linda >Hey Linda,>How about a "Special-K" >inspired, self-proclaimed >spiritually>accomplished "one"? (I'm eating >breakfast, and I think I am >breaking>(through) fast...Love, Markps no, turned out just to be breaking wind.pps just chant the special K mantra once or twice and you will be foolyrealized, just like me. JUST LIKE ME, I SAY!!!! Oooooh, I like thisspirituality stuff... he, he, he.ppps now how do I start making money at this? Maybe Sahajman! Sahajman!can teach me. He's in the 101st tax bracket.LC wrote:> Hi Gill: I'm sure the world will carry on but it will give me great> joy if I do not have to read posts from another "K" inspired,> self-proclaimed spiritual accomplished "one" :-). Linda>>> Hi Linda,>> I'll try -- difficult tho it is...> I'm sure the world will carry on quite happily whatever> state I> happen to be in!>> gill>>>// All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at www., and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription between digest and normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 Hi Gill: I'm not angry at all....just poking fun at the spiritual community....nothing personal intended. Linda Well, then, I hereby proclaim that I am not spiritually accomplished, enlightened, awakened, or K-inspired.OK?I'd quite like to know, though -- is it me you're angry with?If it is, please tell me why...gill> Hi Gill:> I'm sure the world will carry on but it will give me great joy if I > do not have to read posts from another "K" inspired, self-> proclaimed spiritual accomplished "one" :-).> Linda// All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at www., and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription between digest and normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 On 1/25/01 at 6:28 PM Gill Collingwood wrote: ºDear Swaminarayan, º ºI'm intrigued to know how one can tell the difference between a º'real' K-awakening and a 'false' one that just happens to feel, in ºevery respect, like the real thing? Hi Gill, An "easy" response, even I can give, is that many if not all "real" K. awakenings have been described in literature, veiled, in such a way that recognition is possible "after", whereas "before", such a story would be "just" a nice though rather meaningless story. A striking example to me, was from an Evans-Wentz translation regarding the life of Padma Sambhava: at a certain moment, a bird of prey inflicts a painful wound at his chest. And from there, the consort enters his life and the story gets somewhat "complicated"... So I could put the question "who can recognize one's K. awakening in Padma Sambhava's biography as translated by Evans-Wentz?" Or in the "Alchemical wedding" by Christian Rosenkreutz, or a story like Snow White, or the Sleeping Beauty, to name a few more... And these are just some Western sources... - nothing to add, apart from the much needed affirmation one isn't losing one's mind or getting crazy, as everything that is known/believed/felt etc. will be uprooted in the process - in other words, one will be "left" without any reference, whether "internal" or "external", utterly "alone" and unless one is fearless, that will be frightening... The above is not to state there are "false" K. awakenings, only that when a "real" awakening has taken place, one will know, as "the bird of prey will strike again" and nothing could prevent that Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 hi Jan, Thanks for this response. In my case, having read and understood (on an intellectual level) about K, it was more like having seen and studied a map and then finding myself *there* -- the feeling of recognition was so strong. So I don't think anyone will be able to convince me that it wasn't K. As for feeling like I'm going crazy... if I hadn't known what was happening, then I probably would be thinking that! (And if it wasn't K, then I really am crazy, because there's no other logical explanation.) Practically my first words afterwards were 'I've learnt something... I've never had a clue about anything, and I still don't have a clue, but at least I *know* that I don't have a clue'. I'm tempted to make that into a poster and stick it on my wall, so I don't forget. :-) gill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 On 1/25/01 at 9:37 PM Gill Collingwood wrote: ºhi Jan, º ºThanks for this response. In my case, having read and understood º(on an intellectual level) about K, it was more like having seen and ºstudied a map and then finding myself *there* -- the feeling of ºrecognition was so strong. So I don't think anyone will be able to ºconvince me that it wasn't K. Hi Gill, When the map and the "stations" on it are known, there doesn't remain the slightest doubt. And to my knowledge, the map has been drawn completely. But the danger of such an approach lies in raising expectations. º ºAs for feeling like I'm going crazy... if I hadn't known what was ºhappening, then I probably would be thinking that! (And if it wasn't ºK, then I really am crazy, because there's no other logical ºexplanation.) Yes, I could add there are two forms of "craziness" related to K.: the one of "not knowing what is happening", the other one when the limitations of the linear mind start to fade and the "impossible" becomes "thinkable" to the extent of "realizable". That is where some "discipline of the mind" could be useful.. And caution as well - only the "like-minded" will understand... º ºPractically my first words afterwards were 'I've learnt something... ºI've never had a clue about anything, and I still don't have a clue, ºbut at least I *know* that I don't have a clue'. I'm tempted to make ºthat into a poster and stick it on my wall, so I don't forget. :-) º ºgill My favorite dictum that also kept the mind quiet was "I know absolutely nothing" - pun intended... What can be known "for sure"? Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2001 Report Share Posted January 26, 2001 Hi Jan, > When the map and the "stations" on it are known, there doesn't remain the > slightest doubt. And to my knowledge, the map has been drawn completely. > But the danger of such an approach lies in raising expectations. I see your point, but I feel that I'm being pretty realistic. I know I've got a long way to go (looking at it from a non-non-dual perspective), and this may just be a flash in the pan... and of course there are enough people on this list who've had problems, so I know I'm playing with fire. I'm not expecting instant enlightenment. If I get there in this lifetime, that would be wonderful. º ºAs for > feeling like I'm going crazy... if I hadn't known what was ºhappening, > then I probably would be thinking that! (And if it wasn't ºK, then I > really am crazy, because there's no other logical ºexplanation.) > > Yes, I could add there are two forms of "craziness" related to K.: > the one of "not knowing what is happening", the other one when the > limitations of the linear mind start to fade and the "impossible" becomes > "thinkable" to the extent of "realizable". That is where some "discipline > of the mind" could be useful.. And caution as well - only the > "like-minded" will understand... Well, I've always been cautious, or at least I think ten times before jumping in the deep end! (Maybe cautious is the wrong word. <g>) I'll bear it in mind, anyway, tho at the moment it seems a long way off in the distance... º ºPractically my first words afterwards > were 'I've learnt something... ºI've never had a clue about anything, and > I still don't have a clue, ºbut at least I *know* that I don't have a > clue'. I'm tempted to make ºthat into a poster and stick it on my wall, so > I don't forget. :-) º ºgill > > My favorite dictum that also kept the mind quiet was "I know absolutely > nothing" - pun intended... What can be known "for sure"? LOL! Nothing can be known 'for sure', I think. Maybe a few things that can't be expressed. Opinions and beliefs can be fun to play around with, to talk about... toys for the ego! gill > Jan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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