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Hi Gill,

 

I'm not an expert, but I am curious to know what happens if you sit in a

meditation posture, erect spine, lean your head back and allow yourself

to yawn? Trying it standing might be interesting too, but I recommend

the sitting first, as the risk of falling down is less. I've mentioned

this a few times on this and NDS, and never gotten any response, but I

find yawning to be very powerful in moving energy through my body, seems

cleansing, and as I have no teacher and know no one particularly

familiar with K, I don't really know if it is that or not. Anyway, I

would love to hear your reaction. It's a simple technique, and I find

that if I sit and do it repeatedly (actually I prefer standing - in the

shower if possible), it gets intense, and I usually stop before it gets

too intense. Again, no one has ever responded to my posts about this,

so I have absolutely no idea how this manifests in anyone other than

myself, so I recommend cautious experimentation. Holotropic breathwork

might also be a means to keep this going. It certainly is a powerful,

and yet perfectly legal way to access nonordinary states of

consciousness, which really works. Usually when I mention the breathing

on the lists, people pop up to question whether it is safe - because of

their concern that it will raise the kundalini. If you want to keep the

k going, that may well be a way to do so, and it's a safe container,

with knowledgable people right there, which may be better than doing

this alone. (trained facilitators all have done a week-long module on

spiritual emergency. I'm in the training and I head out to Sedona in

February for that module, so I don't really know what they cover, but I

presume that K is mentioned and people have been given guidance on

dealing with unwelcome spontaneous arisings. If the breathing caused

yours to flare up, you would be prepared for it, so I doubt that it

would be a problem. When I do the breathwork, I almost always yawn

during the process, which I think the folks there don't understand or

include in their models, but it pushes the breathwork up to a new

plane. The combination is delicious. (my body jerks and snaps, and I

often wonder why I don't break my neck, but it seems healing. I forget

who, but some famous guru commented sarcastically about this phenomenon

that it was "jerk yoga". Oh well, if I am a jerk, so be it...) Good

luck, Gill! Keep it flying!

 

love, Mark

 

Gill Collingwood wrote:

> hi everyone,

>

> I'd appreciate some advice... I had a kundalini awakening on

> Saturday night/Sunday morning <big grin>. Of course, the feeling

> has faded a lot, but it's still there if I sit quietly, but I'm a bit

> worried

> it might just die down again completely (especially as it was drug-

> triggered), so I'd like to know what I can do to make sure it keeps

> going.

>

> love,

> gill

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> nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always

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Hi Mark,

 

Thanks for the encouragement. I just tried the yawning, and it

made me a little lightheaded after a while, but didn't seem to do

anything else. I've been thinking about doing holotropic breathwork

for a while, so thanks for the reminder -- I've got the details of some

people who do it in this country, somewhere. I find it interesting

that holotropic breathwork was developed as a legal alternative to

LSD!

 

I guess I must be a jerk, too, as I was still getting them right

through to sunday afternoon... they went on long after the more

mental and emotional aspects had finished.

 

Angelique's grounding meditation seems to help, so I'm going to

keep doing that whenever I remember, as well.

 

love,

gill

 

> Hi Gill,

>

> I'm not an expert, but I am curious to know what happens if you sit in a

> meditation posture, erect spine, lean your head back and allow yourself to

> yawn? Trying it standing might be interesting too, but I recommend the

> sitting first, as the risk of falling down is less. I've mentioned this a

> few times on this and NDS, and never gotten any response, but I find

> yawning to be very powerful in moving energy through my body, seems

> cleansing, and as I have no teacher and know no one particularly familiar

> with K, I don't really know if it is that or not. Anyway, I would love to

> hear your reaction. It's a simple technique, and I find that if I sit and

> do it repeatedly (actually I prefer standing - in the shower if possible),

> it gets intense, and I usually stop before it gets too intense. Again, no

> one has ever responded to my posts about this, so I have absolutely no

> idea how this manifests in anyone other than myself, so I recommend

> cautious experimentation. Holotropic breathwork might also be a means to

> keep this going. It certainly is a powerful, and yet perfectly legal way

> to access nonordinary states of consciousness, which really works.

> Usually when I mention the breathing on the lists, people pop up to

> question whether it is safe - because of their concern that it will raise

> the kundalini. If you want to keep the k going, that may well be a way to

> do so, and it's a safe container, with knowledgable people right there,

> which may be better than doing this alone. (trained facilitators all have

> done a week-long module on spiritual emergency. I'm in the training and I

> head out to Sedona in February for that module, so I don't really know

> what they cover, but I presume that K is mentioned and people have been

> given guidance on dealing with unwelcome spontaneous arisings. If the

> breathing caused yours to flare up, you would be prepared for it, so I

> doubt that it would be a problem. When I do the breathwork, I almost

> always yawn during the process, which I think the folks there don't

> understand or include in their models, but it pushes the breathwork up to

> a new plane. The combination is delicious. (my body jerks and snaps, and

> I often wonder why I don't break my neck, but it seems healing. I forget

> who, but some famous guru commented sarcastically about this phenomenon

> that it was "jerk yoga". Oh well, if I am a jerk, so be it...) Good luck,

> Gill! Keep it flying!

>

> love, Mark

>

> Gill Collingwood wrote:

>

> > hi everyone,

> >

> > I'd appreciate some advice... I had a kundalini awakening on

> > Saturday night/Sunday morning <big grin>. Of course, the feeling

> > has faded a lot, but it's still there if I sit quietly, but I'm a bit

> > worried it might just die down again completely (especially as it was

> > drug- triggered), so I'd like to know what I can do to make sure it

> > keeps going.

> >

> > love,

> > gill

> >

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> > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and

> > subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not

> > different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the

> > nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always

> > Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart

> > to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the

> > Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

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> All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

> perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and

> subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not

> different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the

> nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present.

> It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

> Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

> Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome

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On 1/24/01 at 12:04 PM Gill Collingwood wrote:

 

ºhi everyone,

º

ºI'd appreciate some advice... I had a kundalini awakening on

ºSaturday night/Sunday morning <big grin>. Of course, the feeling

ºhas faded a lot, but it's still there if I sit quietly, but I'm a bit

ºworried

ºit might just die down again completely (especially as it was drug-

ºtriggered), so I'd like to know what I can do to make sure it keeps

ºgoing.

º

ºlove,

ºgill

 

Hi Gill,

>From the "food" thread you could find out if "light diet" works for you :)

But from another angle, all that matters is what could be called "transformation

of emotive energy" - not the workouts of Hatha yoga and similar exercises - that

will only open channels temporarily, with a few exceptions: those who would

have "arrived" without those exercises nevertheless (LOL).

 

I hope it will be clear that among others, it is a matter of "temperament" too

as with a tamasic predisposition, even the transformation of all available

energy would remain without (noticeable) effect whereas with a

more "energetic" disposition, a little transformation would be noticeable

immediately, but not what caused it...

In tantra, regarding "temperament" or "disposition", there is a similar

classification as with the gunas (tamas, rajas, sattva): pashu, vira, divya.

 

Regarding transformation, in Rosicrucian circles I've known, there is the dictum

"the one who is ripe will understand immediately" - there isn't much to explain

to it... The whole "affair" is so natural/sensible etc. that without any

knowledge I could apply effortlessly :)

 

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Hi Gill:

Perhaps you could simply surrender to the "grace" of the experience.

Attachment to the action could get you into some difficult

reaction....do not know if the world needs another "awakened" human

being more than one that is "enlightened".

Linda

> > Gill Collingwood wrote:> > > hi everyone,> >> > I'd appreciate

some advice... I had a kundalini awakening on> > Saturday

night/Sunday morning <big grin>. Of course, the feeling> > has faded

a lot, but it's still there if I sit quietly, but I'm a bit> >

worried it might just die down again completely (especially as it

was> > drug- triggered), so I'd like to know what I can do to make

sure it> > keeps going.> >> > love,> > gill> >> >

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somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,> >

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and>

> subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are

not> > different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness

are of the> > nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but

is always> > Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis

know the Heart> > to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee

relishes in the> > Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from

within into It Self.> > Welcome all to a.> >> > To

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// > > All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,> perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and> subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not> different

than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the> nature

of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present.>

It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be

the> Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth

of> Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

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> // All paths go

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and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

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I dunno, Gil... Maybe you should stay out of North Dakota.

 

sorry, I'm feeling silly again,

Mark

 

Gill Collingwood wrote:

> Hi Linda,

>

> I'll try -- difficult tho it is...

> I'm sure the world will carry on quite happily whatever state I

> happen to be in!

>

> gill

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Mark, you never need to apologise for a good joke.

That, however, was a dreadful one! <g>

gill

> I dunno, Gil... Maybe you should stay out of North Dakota.

>

> sorry, I'm feeling silly again,

> Mark

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Hi Gill:

I'm sure the world will carry on but it will give me great joy if I do

not have to read posts from another "K" inspired, self-proclaimed

spiritual accomplished "one" :-).

Linda

Hi Linda,I'll try -- difficult tho it is...I'm sure the world will

carry on quite happily whatever state I happen to be

in!gill// All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

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Hey Linda,

 

How about a "Special-K" inspired, self-proclaimed spiritually

accomplished "one"? (I'm eating breakfast, and I think I am breaking

(through) fast...

 

Love, Mark

ps no, turned out just to be breaking wind.

pps just chant the special K mantra once or twice and you will be fooly

realized, just like me. JUST LIKE ME, I SAY!!!! Oooooh, I like this

spirituality stuff... he, he, he.

ppps now how do I start making money at this? Maybe Sahajman! Sahajman!

can teach me. He's in the 101st tax bracket.

 

LC wrote:

> Hi Gill: I'm sure the world will carry on but it will give me great

> joy if I do not have to read posts from another "K" inspired,

> self-proclaimed spiritual accomplished "one" :-). Linda

>

>

> Hi Linda,

>

> I'll try -- difficult tho it is...

> I'm sure the world will carry on quite happily whatever

> state I

> happen to be in!

>

> gill

>

>

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Dear gill,

 

Any experience that is triggered by an extrenious

agent (in your case-Drugs) is not worth repeating

since the original experience itself is 'fake'.You may

as well take five large scotch whiskies slowly sipping

the same over a period of one hour or more without any

eats to nibble and you will find after your third

drink is over that you are already floating in a state

of K-arousal!Actually it is not any such thing at

all!!!Except a case of your mind losing its sense of

sensing!In a stupor, so to say, which is the last

thing to be desired to become enlighteaned.The purpose

of Kundalini arousal is for self enlightenment of a

very high order and has nothing to do with our day to

day pleasures that our mind and body are acacustomed

to and are craving for!

 

Love and God Bless You!

 

Hari Om!

 

Swaminarayan

--- Gill Collingwood <gill wrote:

> hi everyone,

>

> I'd appreciate some advice... I had a kundalini

> awakening on

> Saturday night/Sunday morning <big grin>. Of course,

> the feeling

> has faded a lot, but it's still there if I sit

> quietly, but I'm a bit worried

> it might just die down again completely (especially

> as it was drug-

> triggered), so I'd like to know what I can do to

> make sure it keeps

> going.

>

> love,

> gill

>

 

 

 

 

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Dear Swaminarayan,

 

I'm intrigued to know how one can tell the difference between a

'real' K-awakening and a 'false' one that just happens to feel, in

every respect, like the real thing?

 

gill

ps I must disagree with the bit about the alcohol -- I have (a very

long time ago) been very drunk and never experienced anything

remotely similar...

>

> Dear gill,

>

> Any experience that is triggered by an extrenious

> agent (in your case-Drugs) is not worth repeating

> since the original experience itself is 'fake'.You may

> as well take five large scotch whiskies slowly sipping

> the same over a period of one hour or more without any

> eats to nibble and you will find after your third

> drink is over that you are already floating in a state

> of K-arousal!Actually it is not any such thing at

> all!!!Except a case of your mind losing its sense of

> sensing!In a stupor, so to say, which is the last

> thing to be desired to become enlighteaned.The purpose

> of Kundalini arousal is for self enlightenment of a

> very high order and has nothing to do with our day to

> day pleasures that our mind and body are acacustomed

> to and are craving for!

>

> Love and God Bless You!

>

> Hari Om!

>

> Swaminarayan

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On 1/25/01 at 6:28 PM Gill Collingwood wrote:

 

ºDear Swaminarayan,

º

ºI'm intrigued to know how one can tell the difference between a

º'real' K-awakening and a 'false' one that just happens to feel,

in

ºevery respect, like the real thing?

 

 

Hi Gill,

 

An "easy" response, even I can give, is that many if not all "real"

K. awakenings have been described

in literature, veiled, in such a way that recognition is

possible "after", whereas "before",

such a story would be "just" a nice though rather meaningless story.

 

A striking example to me, was from an Evans-Wentz translation

regarding the life of

Padma Sambhava: at a certain moment, a bird of prey inflicts a

painful wound at his chest.

And from there, the consort enters his life and the story gets

somewhat "complicated"...

 

So I could put the question "who can recognize one's K. awakening in

Padma Sambhava's biography as translated by Evans-Wentz?"

 

Or in the "Alchemical wedding" by Christian Rosenkreutz, or a story

like Snow White, or the Sleeping Beauty, to name a few more... And

these are just some Western sources... - nothing to add, apart from

the much needed affirmation one isn't losing one's mind or getting

crazy, as everything that is known/believed/felt etc. will be

uprooted in the process - in other words, one will be "left" without

any reference, whether "internal" or "external", utterly "alone" and

unless one is fearless, that will be frightening...

 

The above is not to state there are "false" K. awakenings, only that

when a "real" awakening has taken place, one will know, as "the bird

of prey will strike again" and nothing could prevent that :)

 

Jan

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Hi Mark:

If you are looking for pictures to go on the box if the $ is right I'm

sure there more than a few who would apply :-).

Linda

>Hey Linda,>How about a "Special-K" >inspired, self-proclaimed

>spiritually>accomplished "one"? (I'm eating >breakfast, and I think

I am >breaking>(through) fast...Love, Markps no, turned out just to be

breaking wind.pps just chant the special K mantra once or twice and

you will be foolyrealized, just like me. JUST LIKE ME, I SAY!!!!

Oooooh, I like thisspirituality stuff... he, he, he.ppps now how do I

start making money at this? Maybe Sahajman! Sahajman!can teach me.

He's in the 101st tax bracket.LC wrote:> Hi Gill: I'm sure the world

will carry on but it will give me great> joy if I do not have to read

posts from another "K" inspired,> self-proclaimed spiritual

accomplished "one" :-). Linda>>> Hi Linda,>> I'll try --

difficult tho it is...> I'm sure the world will carry on quite

happily whatever> state I> happen to be in!>>

gill>>>// All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

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Hi Gill:

I'm not angry at all....just poking fun at the spiritual community....nothing personal intended.

Linda

Well, then, I hereby proclaim that I am not spiritually accomplished,

enlightened, awakened, or K-inspired.OK?I'd quite like to know,

though -- is it me you're angry with?If it is, please tell me

why...gill> Hi Gill:> I'm sure the world will carry on but it will

give me great joy if I > do not have to read posts from another "K"

inspired, self-> proclaimed spiritual accomplished "one" :-).>

Linda// All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

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On 1/25/01 at 6:28 PM Gill Collingwood wrote:

 

ºDear Swaminarayan,

º

ºI'm intrigued to know how one can tell the difference between a

º'real' K-awakening and a 'false' one that just happens to feel, in

ºevery respect, like the real thing?

 

 

Hi Gill,

 

An "easy" response, even I can give, is that many if not all "real"

K. awakenings have been described

in literature, veiled, in such a way that recognition is

possible "after", whereas "before",

such a story would be "just" a nice though rather meaningless story.

 

A striking example to me, was from an Evans-Wentz translation

regarding the life of

Padma Sambhava: at a certain moment, a bird of prey inflicts a

painful wound at his chest.

And from there, the consort enters his life and the story gets

somewhat "complicated"...

 

So I could put the question "who can recognize one's K. awakening in

Padma Sambhava's biography as translated by Evans-Wentz?"

 

Or in the "Alchemical wedding" by Christian Rosenkreutz, or a story

like Snow White, or the Sleeping Beauty, to name a few more... And

these are just some Western sources... - nothing to add, apart from

the much needed affirmation one isn't losing one's mind or getting

crazy, as everything that is known/believed/felt etc. will be

uprooted in the process - in other words, one will be "left" without

any reference, whether "internal" or "external", utterly "alone" and

unless one is fearless, that will be frightening...

 

The above is not to state there are "false" K. awakenings, only that

when a "real" awakening has taken place, one will know, as "the bird

of prey will strike again" and nothing could prevent that :)

 

Jan

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hi Jan,

 

Thanks for this response. In my case, having read and understood

(on an intellectual level) about K, it was more like having seen and

studied a map and then finding myself *there* -- the feeling of

recognition was so strong. So I don't think anyone will be able to

convince me that it wasn't K.

 

As for feeling like I'm going crazy... if I hadn't known what was

happening, then I probably would be thinking that! (And if it wasn't

K, then I really am crazy, because there's no other logical

explanation.)

 

Practically my first words afterwards were 'I've learnt something...

I've never had a clue about anything, and I still don't have a clue,

but at least I *know* that I don't have a clue'. I'm tempted to make

that into a poster and stick it on my wall, so I don't forget. :-)

 

gill

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On 1/25/01 at 9:37 PM Gill Collingwood wrote:

 

ºhi Jan,

º

ºThanks for this response. In my case, having read and understood

º(on an intellectual level) about K, it was more like having seen and

ºstudied a map and then finding myself *there* -- the feeling of

ºrecognition was so strong. So I don't think anyone will be able to

ºconvince me that it wasn't K.

 

Hi Gill,

 

When the map and the "stations" on it are known, there doesn't remain

the slightest doubt. And to my knowledge, the map has been drawn completely.

But the danger of such an approach lies in raising expectations.

º

ºAs for feeling like I'm going crazy... if I hadn't known what was

ºhappening, then I probably would be thinking that! (And if it wasn't

ºK, then I really am crazy, because there's no other logical

ºexplanation.)

 

Yes, I could add there are two forms of "craziness" related to K.:

the one of "not knowing what is happening", the other one when the limitations

of the linear mind start to fade and the "impossible" becomes "thinkable" to the

extent of "realizable".

That is where some "discipline of the mind" could be useful.. And caution as

well - only the "like-minded"

will understand...

º

ºPractically my first words afterwards were 'I've learnt something...

ºI've never had a clue about anything, and I still don't have a clue,

ºbut at least I *know* that I don't have a clue'. I'm tempted to make

ºthat into a poster and stick it on my wall, so I don't forget. :-)

º

ºgill

 

My favorite dictum that also kept the mind quiet was "I know absolutely nothing"

- pun intended...

What can be known "for sure"?

 

Jan

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Hi Jan,

> When the map and the "stations" on it are known, there doesn't remain the

> slightest doubt. And to my knowledge, the map has been drawn completely.

> But the danger of such an approach lies in raising expectations.

 

I see your point, but I feel that I'm being pretty realistic. I know I've

got a long way to go (looking at it from a non-non-dual perspective),

and this may just be a flash in the pan... and of course there are

enough people on this list who've had problems, so I know I'm

playing with fire. I'm not expecting instant enlightenment. If I get

there in this lifetime, that would be wonderful.

 

º ºAs for

> feeling like I'm going crazy... if I hadn't known what was ºhappening,

> then I probably would be thinking that! (And if it wasn't ºK, then I

> really am crazy, because there's no other logical ºexplanation.)

>

> Yes, I could add there are two forms of "craziness" related to K.:

> the one of "not knowing what is happening", the other one when the

> limitations of the linear mind start to fade and the "impossible" becomes

> "thinkable" to the extent of "realizable". That is where some

"discipline

> of the mind" could be useful.. And caution as well - only the

> "like-minded" will understand...

 

Well, I've always been cautious, or at least I think ten times before

jumping in the deep end! (Maybe cautious is the wrong word. <g>)

I'll bear it in mind, anyway, tho at the moment it seems a long way

off in the distance...

 

º ºPractically my first words afterwards

> were 'I've learnt something... ºI've never had a clue about anything, and

> I still don't have a clue, ºbut at least I *know* that I don't have a

> clue'. I'm tempted to make ºthat into a poster and stick it on my wall, so

> I don't forget. :-) º ºgill

>

> My favorite dictum that also kept the mind quiet was "I know absolutely

> nothing" - pun intended... What can be known "for sure"?

 

LOL! Nothing can be known 'for sure', I think. Maybe a few things

that can't be expressed. Opinions and beliefs can be fun to play

around with, to talk about... toys for the ego!

 

gill

> Jan

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