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Hi

 

Feeling hurt,.. a reoccuring theme, almost daily.

And so I wonder, why I've never looked into it deeply enough.

It seems to me that if the arising of this 'thing' would be an

impossibility, it would also make it impossible for many other forms

of suffering to take root, grow and cripple life.

Anyone willing to look at this 'thorn' ?

 

We've heard and perhaps also seen, the self-image as a cause of hurt.

We've heard that if no 'ego'/I then there would'nt be any hurt.

We've heard and done it perhaps succesfully to a certain

extent/depth, the looking into it/awareness of it.

And yet, it is being reborn, again and again.

One might say that what is necessary is constant awareness..

But can you have awareness when drowning/frying in deep/intense

hurt ?

 

I do see that every moment, the thought structure fabricates stories

about 'me-me'.. I am like this/that, I am good because.. and somebody

drops in and tells me I am an ass.... or just ignores me, not even

looking at me (for reasons of dislike or whatever)as if I was non-

existant. And the 'thorn' instantly does its job.

 

Now the 'story of me', being recreated thru the day, taking different

forms... seems to be a very living business,.. it's not some

fixed/uniform hurt which once seen, (though it does bring a relief),

is uprooted for ever,.. is it ?

 

So that's about as far as I can go with this enquiry..

can you add, substract or bring a new observation to this ?

 

It might sound sentimental, but to me, if this 'number' could be

uprooted from our psychic, heaven might be just around the corner.

 

Hope to hear from you

jb.

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Amen, Jan, Amen!

 

This really is worthy of close inspection. (although close inspection

hurts) I've been noticing lately the way I hold tension in my body,

pretty much all the time. It feels like a chicken/egg question whether

the holding in of my stomach and the restriction of my breath is a

defense against feeling hurt, or the way in which I feel the hurt. All

I know is that it is constant, and that when I notice it, I can

consciously relax it (unless it is really strong in which case I need to

emote to get to where I can relax it - I'm a fan of emoting and letting

go because it makes the phenomenon I'm talking about particularly clear

for awhile.) Anyway, I can allow it to relax, which feels wonderful and

I think I'm on to something, and then seconds later I can do the whole

thing all over again. My body clenches up automatically and it's hard

to detect the clenching up itself - I usually notice it afterwards.

 

I had a powerful epiphany about 12 years ago now wherein ALL of the

tension in my body was gone. What an amazing difference!!! I realized

who I was then, but then the drug wore off, and I've been periodically

rediscovering the tension thing ever since. I'm thinking the time has

come to really work on it, being aware of it and reversing it until the

body learns a new habit.

 

Anyway, I'm not exactly sure what the relationship is between the body

tension I am describing and the feeling of personal hurt that you are

inquiring about, but I do believe they are closely related and are the

very conditioning that we would like to become free of.

 

Best of luck with it and love,

Mark

 

J B wrote:

> Hi

>

> Feeling hurt,.. a reoccuring theme, almost daily.

> And so I wonder, why I've never looked into it deeply enough.

> It seems to me that if the arising of this 'thing' would be an

> impossibility, it would also make it impossible for many other forms

> of suffering to take root, grow and cripple life.

> Anyone willing to look at this 'thorn' ?

>

> We've heard and perhaps also seen, the self-image as a cause of hurt.

> We've heard that if no 'ego'/I then there would'nt be any hurt.

> We've heard and done it perhaps succesfully to a certain

> extent/depth, the looking into it/awareness of it.

> And yet, it is being reborn, again and again.

> One might say that what is necessary is constant awareness..

> But can you have awareness when drowning/frying in deep/intense

> hurt ?

>

> I do see that every moment, the thought structure fabricates stories

> about 'me-me'.. I am like this/that, I am good because.. and somebody

> drops in and tells me I am an ass.... or just ignores me, not even

> looking at me (for reasons of dislike or whatever)as if I was non-

> existant. And the 'thorn' instantly does its job.

>

> Now the 'story of me', being recreated thru the day, taking different

> forms... seems to be a very living business,.. it's not some

> fixed/uniform hurt which once seen, (though it does bring a relief),

> is uprooted for ever,.. is it ?

>

> So that's about as far as I can go with this enquiry..

> can you add, substract or bring a new observation to this ?

>

> It might sound sentimental, but to me, if this 'number' could be

> uprooted from our psychic, heaven might be just around the corner.

>

> Hope to hear from you

> jb.

>

>

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> perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and

> subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not

> different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the

> nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always

> Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart

> to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the

> Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It

> Self. Welcome all to a.

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Hi Mark,

For the sake of a perhaps not so important record of correct

identification, I am not 'Jan'. Since there are 2 jb's here, I assume

that Jan is jb, while I, the writer of the 'hurt' post, is JB.

I know I have signed jb, so from now on I'd better

stick to JB ..?! :-)

JB.

 

 

, Mark Otter <mark.otter@s...> wrote:

> Amen, Jan, Amen!

>

> This really is worthy of close inspection. (although close

inspection

> hurts) I've been noticing lately the way I hold tension in my body,

> pretty much all the time. It feels like a chicken/egg question

whether

> the holding in of my stomach and the restriction of my breath is a

> defense against feeling hurt, or the way in which I feel the hurt.

All

> I know is that it is constant, and that when I notice it, I can

> consciously relax it (unless it is really strong in which case I

need to

> emote to get to where I can relax it - I'm a fan of emoting and

letting

> go because it makes the phenomenon I'm talking about particularly

clear

> for awhile.) Anyway, I can allow it to relax, which feels

wonderful and

> I think I'm on to something, and then seconds later I can do the

whole

> thing all over again. My body clenches up automatically and it's

hard

> to detect the clenching up itself - I usually notice it afterwards.

>

> I had a powerful epiphany about 12 years ago now wherein ALL of the

> tension in my body was gone. What an amazing difference!!! I

realized

> who I was then, but then the drug wore off, and I've been

periodically

> rediscovering the tension thing ever since. I'm thinking the time

has

> come to really work on it, being aware of it and reversing it until

the

> body learns a new habit.

>

> Anyway, I'm not exactly sure what the relationship is between the

body

> tension I am describing and the feeling of personal hurt that you

are

> inquiring about, but I do believe they are closely related and are

the

> very conditioning that we would like to become free of.

>

> Best of luck with it and love,

> Mark

>

> J B wrote:

>

> > Hi

> >

> > Feeling hurt,.. a reoccuring theme, almost daily.

> > And so I wonder, why I've never looked into it deeply enough.

> > It seems to me that if the arising of this 'thing' would be an

> > impossibility, it would also make it impossible for many other

forms

> > of suffering to take root, grow and cripple life.

> > Anyone willing to look at this 'thorn' ?

> >

> > We've heard and perhaps also seen, the self-image as a cause of

hurt.

> > We've heard that if no 'ego'/I then there would'nt be any hurt.

> > We've heard and done it perhaps succesfully to a certain

> > extent/depth, the looking into it/awareness of it.

> > And yet, it is being reborn, again and again.

> > One might say that what is necessary is constant awareness..

> > But can you have awareness when drowning/frying in deep/intense

> > hurt ?

> >

> > I do see that every moment, the thought structure fabricates

stories

> > about 'me-me'.. I am like this/that, I am good because.. and

somebody

> > drops in and tells me I am an ass.... or just ignores me, not even

> > looking at me (for reasons of dislike or whatever)as if I was non-

> > existant. And the 'thorn' instantly does its job.

> >

> > Now the 'story of me', being recreated thru the day, taking

different

> > forms... seems to be a very living business,.. it's not some

> > fixed/uniform hurt which once seen, (though it does bring a

relief),

> > is uprooted for ever,.. is it ?

> >

> > So that's about as far as I can go with this enquiry..

> > can you add, substract or bring a new observation to this ?

> >

> > It might sound sentimental, but to me, if this 'number' could be

> > uprooted from our psychic, heaven might be just around the corner.

> >

> > Hope to hear from you

> > jb.

> >

> >

> > eGroups Sponsor

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> >

> > //

> >

> > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places,

sights,

> > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in

and

> > subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are

not

> > different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are

of the

> > nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always

> > Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the

Heart

> > to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in

the

> > Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It

> > Self. Welcome all to a.

> >

> > To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at

> > www., and select the User Center

link

> > from the menu bar

> > on the left. This menu will also let you change

> > your subscription

> > between digest and normal mode.

> >

> >

> >

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On 1/25/01 at 1:22 PM J B wrote:

 

ºHi Mark,

ºFor the sake of a perhaps not so important record of correct

ºidentification, I am not 'Jan'. Since there are 2 jb's here, I assume

ºthat Jan is jb, while I, the writer of the 'hurt' post, is JB.

ºI know I have signed jb, so from now on I'd better

ºstick to JB ..?! :-)

ºJB.

[......]

Two things:

1) Show a post that I signed with jb

2) JB, as a rule you sign as "JB" but not the one Mark responded to.

 

And perhaps Amanda will have something else to add :)

 

Jan

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Hi JB,

oops. sorry about that. (no hurt intended)

Love, Mark

ps what are your thoughts on ending hurt, and is it at all related

to body tension, or am I off my rocker?

J B wrote:

Hi Mark,

For the sake of a perhaps not so important record of correct

identification, I am not 'Jan'. Since there are 2 jb's here, I

assume

that Jan is jb, while I, the writer of the 'hurt' post, is JB.

I know I have signed jb, so from now on I'd better

stick to JB ..?! :-)

JB.

, Mark Otter <mark.otter@s...>

wrote:

> Amen, Jan, Amen!

>

> This really is worthy of close inspection. (although close

inspection

> hurts) I've been noticing lately the way I hold tension

in my body,

> pretty much all the time. It feels like a chicken/egg question

whether

> the holding in of my stomach and the restriction of my breath

is a

> defense against feeling hurt, or the way in which I feel the

hurt.

All

> I know is that it is constant, and that when I notice it, I can

> consciously relax it (unless it is really strong in which case

I

need to

> emote to get to where I can relax it - I'm a fan of emoting and

letting

> go because it makes the phenomenon I'm talking about particularly

clear

> for awhile.) Anyway, I can allow it to relax, which feels

wonderful and

> I think I'm on to something, and then seconds later I can do

the

whole

> thing all over again. My body clenches up automatically

and it's

hard

> to detect the clenching up itself - I usually notice it afterwards.

>

> I had a powerful epiphany about 12 years ago now wherein ALL

of the

> tension in my body was gone. What an amazing difference!!!

I

realized

> who I was then, but then the drug wore off, and I've been

periodically

> rediscovering the tension thing ever since. I'm thinking

the time

has

> come to really work on it, being aware of it and reversing it

until

the

> body learns a new habit.

>

> Anyway, I'm not exactly sure what the relationship is between

the

body

> tension I am describing and the feeling of personal hurt that

you

are

> inquiring about, but I do believe they are closely related and

are

the

> very conditioning that we would like to become free of.

>

> Best of luck with it and love,

> Mark

>

> J B wrote:

>

> > Hi

> >

> > Feeling hurt,.. a reoccuring theme, almost daily.

> > And so I wonder, why I've never looked into it deeply enough.

> > It seems to me that if the arising of this 'thing' would be

an

> > impossibility, it would also make it impossible for many other

forms

> > of suffering to take root, grow and cripple life.

> > Anyone willing to look at this 'thorn' ?

> >

> > We've heard and perhaps also seen, the self-image as a cause

of

hurt.

> > We've heard that if no 'ego'/I then there would'nt be any hurt.

> > We've heard and done it perhaps succesfully to a certain

> > extent/depth, the looking into it/awareness of it.

> > And yet, it is being reborn, again and again.

> > One might say that what is necessary is constant awareness..

> > But can you have awareness when drowning/frying in deep/intense

> > hurt ?

> >

> > I do see that every moment, the thought structure fabricates

stories

> > about 'me-me'.. I am like this/that, I am good because.. and

somebody

> > drops in and tells me I am an ass.... or just ignores me, not

even

> > looking at me (for reasons of dislike or whatever)as if I was

non-

> > existant. And the 'thorn' instantly does its job.

> >

> > Now the 'story of me', being recreated thru the day, taking

different

> > forms... seems to be a very living business,.. it's not some

> > fixed/uniform hurt which once seen, (though it does bring a

relief),

> > is uprooted for ever,.. is it ?

> >

> > So that's about as far as I can go with this enquiry..

> > can you add, substract or bring a new observation to this ?

> >

> > It might sound sentimental, but to me, if this 'number' could

be

> > uprooted from our psychic, heaven might be just around the

corner.

> >

> > Hope to hear from you

> > jb.

> >

> >

> >

eGroups Sponsor

> [Get 3 CDs for ONLY $9.99!]

> Get 3 CDs for ONLY $9.99!

>

> >

> > //

> >

> > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places,

sights,

> > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist

in

and

> > subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising

are

not

> > different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness

are

of the

> > nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is

always

> > Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know

the

Heart

> > to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes

in

the

> > Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within

into It

> > Self. Welcome all to a.

> >

> > To from this list, go to the ONElist web site,

at

> >

www., and select the User Center

link

> > from the menu bar

> >

on the left. This menu will also let you change

> > your subscription

> >

between digest and normal mode.

> >

> >

> >

//

All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside

back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home

is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal

Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously

arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at

www., and select the User Center link from the menu bar

on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription

between digest and normal mode.

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Hey guys, (or Dear Alphonse as the case may be)

 

yOU knnow it's entirelyy possible that Mark had no clue there were two jBs and

was just trying to be polite by using a first name, any first name... I'm sure

that if this wer e true, he woudl aplogyze very nicely as he's a decent sort fo

chap, but I can't find him anywhere. He's hiding in shame.

 

Hey, maybe he won't come back! that'd bee col.

 

cours, he's in chareg of spelling, so I guess hes nee'ded

 

Love, Mark's cruel shadow (aka Harsha, the hoodlum)

ps I remember an old Peanuts cartoon, where Snoopy was asked to hold Lucy's

balloon while she went to the movies, and he fell asleep and yawned, which

released the balloon. The last panel was Snoopy with a bandanna tied to the end

of a pole, imagining himself saying "You make one mistake, and you pay for it

the rest of your life..." I love Charles Schultz. I love you too.

 

jb wrote:

> On 1/25/01 at 1:22 PM J B wrote:

>

> ºHi Mark,

> ºFor the sake of a perhaps not so important record of correct

> ºidentification, I am not 'Jan'. Since there are 2 jb's here, I assume

> ºthat Jan is jb, while I, the writer of the 'hurt' post, is JB.

> ºI know I have signed jb, so from now on I'd better

> ºstick to JB ..?! :-)

> ºJB.

> [......]

> Two things:

> 1) Show a post that I signed with jb

> 2) JB, as a rule you sign as "JB" but not the one Mark responded to.

>

> And perhaps Amanda will have something else to add :)

>

> Jan

>

> //

>

> All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean,

all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does

not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is.

Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee

relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into

It Self. Welcome all to a.

>

> To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at

> www., and select the User Center link from the

menu bar

> on the left. This menu will also let you change your

subscription

> between digest and normal mode.

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Hi Mark

This is the other JB.

You seem to be a quite humorous person.

But now to less funny stuff:

you write: "what are your thoughts on ending hurt, and is it at all

related to body tension, or am I off my rocker?"

As I am a polite chap, I would'nt say you are 'off your rocker', even

if I thought so, but I do not think so.

On the other hand, if 'off one's rocker' means 'out of one's mind',

there is a possibility that this is so, in the positive sense of the

word,.. awareness free of thought.

You perceive tension in the body along with hurt. It seems that all

mental/emotional states have an effect on the body. Hurt too. But I

do not know whether the body tension can cause emotional hurt.

I just see that verbally one says 'I am hurt, because...'.

The be-causes can vary but the hurt 'I' is common.

You have probably also read much on the 'I'/ego, and how far out

would be without it,.. we could probably give a long lecture about

it... But...

So why does the final release not happen ?

What's missing ?

And I am not looking for a new 'trick'. It does not seem to do

the 'job', except for short periods of absorption into the object of

the 'trick'.

When you find out what's missing, or in what way _I_ am off -my-

rocker, please let me know... :-)

Take care,

JB-the-2nd

appologizing for possible inconvenience to jb-the-1st.

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "Mark W. Otter" <mark.otter@s...> wrote:

> Hi JB,

>

> oops. sorry about that. (no hurt intended)

>

> Love, Mark

> ps what are your thoughts on ending hurt, and is it at all related

to

> body tension, or am I off my rocker?

>

> J B wrote:

>

> > Hi Mark,

> > For the sake of a perhaps not so important record of correct

> > identification, I am not 'Jan'. Since there are 2 jb's here, I

assume

> > that Jan is jb, while I, the writer of the 'hurt' post, is JB.

> > I know I have signed jb, so from now on I'd better

> > stick to JB ..?! :-)

> > JB.

> >

> >

> > , Mark Otter <mark.otter@s...>

wrote:

> >

> > > Amen, Jan, Amen!

> > >

> > > This really is worthy of close inspection. (although close

> > inspection

> > > hurts) I've been noticing lately the way I hold tension in my

body,

> >

> > > pretty much all the time. It feels like a chicken/egg question

> > whether

> > > the holding in of my stomach and the restriction of my breath

is a

> > > defense against feeling hurt, or the way in which I feel the

hurt.

> > All

> > > I know is that it is constant, and that when I notice it, I can

> > > consciously relax it (unless it is really strong in which case I

> > need to

> > > emote to get to where I can relax it - I'm a fan of emoting and

> > letting

> > > go because it makes the phenomenon I'm talking about

particularly

> > clear

> > > for awhile.) Anyway, I can allow it to relax, which feels

> > wonderful and

> > > I think I'm on to something, and then seconds later I can do the

> > whole

> > > thing all over again. My body clenches up automatically and

it's

> > hard

> > > to detect the clenching up itself - I usually notice it

afterwards.

> > >

> > > I had a powerful epiphany about 12 years ago now wherein ALL of

the

> > > tension in my body was gone. What an amazing difference!!! I

> > realized

> > > who I was then, but then the drug wore off, and I've been

> > periodically

> > > rediscovering the tension thing ever since. I'm thinking the

time

> > has

> > > come to really work on it, being aware of it and reversing it

until

> > the

> > > body learns a new habit.

> > >

> > > Anyway, I'm not exactly sure what the relationship is between

the

> > body

> > > tension I am describing and the feeling of personal hurt that

you

> > are

> > > inquiring about, but I do believe they are closely related and

are

> > the

> > > very conditioning that we would like to become free of.

> > >

> > > Best of luck with it and love,

> > > Mark

> > >

> > > J B wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hi

> > > >

> > > > Feeling hurt,.. a reoccuring theme, almost daily.

> > > > And so I wonder, why I've never looked into it deeply enough.

> > > > It seems to me that if the arising of this 'thing' would be an

> > > > impossibility, it would also make it impossible for many other

> > forms

> > > > of suffering to take root, grow and cripple life.

> > > > Anyone willing to look at this 'thorn' ?

> > > >

> > > > We've heard and perhaps also seen, the self-image as a cause

of

> > hurt.

> > > > We've heard that if no 'ego'/I then there would'nt be any

hurt.

> > > > We've heard and done it perhaps succesfully to a certain

> > > > extent/depth, the looking into it/awareness of it.

> > > > And yet, it is being reborn, again and again.

> > > > One might say that what is necessary is constant awareness..

> > > > But can you have awareness when drowning/frying in

deep/intense

> > > > hurt ?

> > > >

> > > > I do see that every moment, the thought structure fabricates

> > stories

> > > > about 'me-me'.. I am like this/that, I am good because.. and

> > somebody

> > > > drops in and tells me I am an ass.... or just ignores me, not

even

> >

> > > > looking at me (for reasons of dislike or whatever)as if I was

non-

> >

> > > > existant. And the 'thorn' instantly does its job.

> > > >

> > > > Now the 'story of me', being recreated thru the day, taking

> > different

> > > > forms... seems to be a very living business,.. it's not some

> > > > fixed/uniform hurt which once seen, (though it does bring a

> > relief),

> > > > is uprooted for ever,.. is it ?

> > > >

> > > > So that's about as far as I can go with this enquiry..

> > > > can you add, substract or bring a new observation to this ?

> > > >

> > > > It might sound sentimental, but to me, if this 'number' could

be

> > > > uprooted from our psychic, heaven might be just around the

corner.

> >

> > > >

> > > > Hope to hear from you

> > > > jb.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > eGroups Sponsor

> > > [Get 3 CDs for ONLY $9.99!]

> > > Get 3 CDs for ONLY $9.99!

> > >

> > > >

> > > > //

> > > >

> > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places,

> > sights,

> > > > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist

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> > and

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Greetings JB-the-2nd, you wrote:

->So why does the final release not happen ?

->What's missing ?

->And I am not looking for a new 'trick'. It does not seem to do

->the 'job', except for short periods of absorption into the object of

->the 'trick'.

->When you find out what's missing, or in what way _I_ am off -my-

->rocker, please let me know... :-)

 

Have not seen a good rocker in years. But....... release from the

bondage of psychosomatic physical tension is the release from the bondage

of the defiling programs contained in the mind. An un-tensed mind results

in an un-tensed body, and visa versa. Such tension can and does Cause

many seeming ailments and perhaps hurt in general. It does not start in

the body however. So, I would say, that it is not in what is missing but

rather what is added to Cause such tension. What has been added starting

with when we first embarked on this adventure we call Life is the

foundation for this tension. Then when one little notion is further

added, the straw that broke the camel's back so to speak, TILT. No

mystery or trick about that, nor is a rocket scientist needed to work out

the physics behind it. Just a simple matter of freeing up Space on the

hard drive and defragmenting it.

 

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the old master took his brush and wrote the character

for "attention".

The monks ask, "is there anything else ?"

The master wrote: "attention, attention".

The monks say, "that's it !?!"

The master writes: "Attention ! Attention ! Attention !"

 

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This is the other JB.

 

(...)

 

Take care,

JB

>>

 

Welcome on this list JB,

 

It is nice to read you. And don't worry each one typing leaves behind the

signature of the place and time from where it was typed, but mostly of the

warmth of there heart. And yours is most welcome... I like reading you.

 

Antoine

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Release from thebondage of psychosomatic physical tension is the

release from the bondageof the defiling programs contained in the

mind. An un-tensed mind resultsin an un-tensed body, and visa

versa. Such tension can and does Causemany seeming ailments and

perhaps hurt in general. It does not start inthe body however.

Let There Be Light -- Always in All Ways, }^-^{

>>

Hello ejLight, and it is nice to read you also,

My wife who is an orthopedic surgeon is amazed on how breaking a bone

changes the life of her patient. The mind talks in all ways, even

starting with the body or solid objects, one only need to listen to

find the only Mind.

Enjoy

Antoine

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