Guest guest Posted January 24, 2001 Report Share Posted January 24, 2001 Hi Feeling hurt,.. a reoccuring theme, almost daily. And so I wonder, why I've never looked into it deeply enough. It seems to me that if the arising of this 'thing' would be an impossibility, it would also make it impossible for many other forms of suffering to take root, grow and cripple life. Anyone willing to look at this 'thorn' ? We've heard and perhaps also seen, the self-image as a cause of hurt. We've heard that if no 'ego'/I then there would'nt be any hurt. We've heard and done it perhaps succesfully to a certain extent/depth, the looking into it/awareness of it. And yet, it is being reborn, again and again. One might say that what is necessary is constant awareness.. But can you have awareness when drowning/frying in deep/intense hurt ? I do see that every moment, the thought structure fabricates stories about 'me-me'.. I am like this/that, I am good because.. and somebody drops in and tells me I am an ass.... or just ignores me, not even looking at me (for reasons of dislike or whatever)as if I was non- existant. And the 'thorn' instantly does its job. Now the 'story of me', being recreated thru the day, taking different forms... seems to be a very living business,.. it's not some fixed/uniform hurt which once seen, (though it does bring a relief), is uprooted for ever,.. is it ? So that's about as far as I can go with this enquiry.. can you add, substract or bring a new observation to this ? It might sound sentimental, but to me, if this 'number' could be uprooted from our psychic, heaven might be just around the corner. Hope to hear from you jb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2001 Report Share Posted January 24, 2001 Amen, Jan, Amen! This really is worthy of close inspection. (although close inspection hurts) I've been noticing lately the way I hold tension in my body, pretty much all the time. It feels like a chicken/egg question whether the holding in of my stomach and the restriction of my breath is a defense against feeling hurt, or the way in which I feel the hurt. All I know is that it is constant, and that when I notice it, I can consciously relax it (unless it is really strong in which case I need to emote to get to where I can relax it - I'm a fan of emoting and letting go because it makes the phenomenon I'm talking about particularly clear for awhile.) Anyway, I can allow it to relax, which feels wonderful and I think I'm on to something, and then seconds later I can do the whole thing all over again. My body clenches up automatically and it's hard to detect the clenching up itself - I usually notice it afterwards. I had a powerful epiphany about 12 years ago now wherein ALL of the tension in my body was gone. What an amazing difference!!! I realized who I was then, but then the drug wore off, and I've been periodically rediscovering the tension thing ever since. I'm thinking the time has come to really work on it, being aware of it and reversing it until the body learns a new habit. Anyway, I'm not exactly sure what the relationship is between the body tension I am describing and the feeling of personal hurt that you are inquiring about, but I do believe they are closely related and are the very conditioning that we would like to become free of. Best of luck with it and love, Mark J B wrote: > Hi > > Feeling hurt,.. a reoccuring theme, almost daily. > And so I wonder, why I've never looked into it deeply enough. > It seems to me that if the arising of this 'thing' would be an > impossibility, it would also make it impossible for many other forms > of suffering to take root, grow and cripple life. > Anyone willing to look at this 'thorn' ? > > We've heard and perhaps also seen, the self-image as a cause of hurt. > We've heard that if no 'ego'/I then there would'nt be any hurt. > We've heard and done it perhaps succesfully to a certain > extent/depth, the looking into it/awareness of it. > And yet, it is being reborn, again and again. > One might say that what is necessary is constant awareness.. > But can you have awareness when drowning/frying in deep/intense > hurt ? > > I do see that every moment, the thought structure fabricates stories > about 'me-me'.. I am like this/that, I am good because.. and somebody > drops in and tells me I am an ass.... or just ignores me, not even > looking at me (for reasons of dislike or whatever)as if I was non- > existant. And the 'thorn' instantly does its job. > > Now the 'story of me', being recreated thru the day, taking different > forms... seems to be a very living business,.. it's not some > fixed/uniform hurt which once seen, (though it does bring a relief), > is uprooted for ever,.. is it ? > > So that's about as far as I can go with this enquiry.. > can you add, substract or bring a new observation to this ? > > It might sound sentimental, but to me, if this 'number' could be > uprooted from our psychic, heaven might be just around the corner. > > Hope to hear from you > jb. > > > eGroups Sponsor [Get 3 CDs for ONLY $9.99!] Get 3 CDs for ONLY $9.99! > > // > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and > subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not > different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the > nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always > Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart > to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the > Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It > Self. Welcome all to a. > > To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at > www., and select the User Center link > from the menu bar > on the left. This menu will also let you change > your subscription > between digest and normal mode. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 Hi Mark, For the sake of a perhaps not so important record of correct identification, I am not 'Jan'. Since there are 2 jb's here, I assume that Jan is jb, while I, the writer of the 'hurt' post, is JB. I know I have signed jb, so from now on I'd better stick to JB ..?! :-) JB. , Mark Otter <mark.otter@s...> wrote: > Amen, Jan, Amen! > > This really is worthy of close inspection. (although close inspection > hurts) I've been noticing lately the way I hold tension in my body, > pretty much all the time. It feels like a chicken/egg question whether > the holding in of my stomach and the restriction of my breath is a > defense against feeling hurt, or the way in which I feel the hurt. All > I know is that it is constant, and that when I notice it, I can > consciously relax it (unless it is really strong in which case I need to > emote to get to where I can relax it - I'm a fan of emoting and letting > go because it makes the phenomenon I'm talking about particularly clear > for awhile.) Anyway, I can allow it to relax, which feels wonderful and > I think I'm on to something, and then seconds later I can do the whole > thing all over again. My body clenches up automatically and it's hard > to detect the clenching up itself - I usually notice it afterwards. > > I had a powerful epiphany about 12 years ago now wherein ALL of the > tension in my body was gone. What an amazing difference!!! I realized > who I was then, but then the drug wore off, and I've been periodically > rediscovering the tension thing ever since. I'm thinking the time has > come to really work on it, being aware of it and reversing it until the > body learns a new habit. > > Anyway, I'm not exactly sure what the relationship is between the body > tension I am describing and the feeling of personal hurt that you are > inquiring about, but I do believe they are closely related and are the > very conditioning that we would like to become free of. > > Best of luck with it and love, > Mark > > J B wrote: > > > Hi > > > > Feeling hurt,.. a reoccuring theme, almost daily. > > And so I wonder, why I've never looked into it deeply enough. > > It seems to me that if the arising of this 'thing' would be an > > impossibility, it would also make it impossible for many other forms > > of suffering to take root, grow and cripple life. > > Anyone willing to look at this 'thorn' ? > > > > We've heard and perhaps also seen, the self-image as a cause of hurt. > > We've heard that if no 'ego'/I then there would'nt be any hurt. > > We've heard and done it perhaps succesfully to a certain > > extent/depth, the looking into it/awareness of it. > > And yet, it is being reborn, again and again. > > One might say that what is necessary is constant awareness.. > > But can you have awareness when drowning/frying in deep/intense > > hurt ? > > > > I do see that every moment, the thought structure fabricates stories > > about 'me-me'.. I am like this/that, I am good because.. and somebody > > drops in and tells me I am an ass.... or just ignores me, not even > > looking at me (for reasons of dislike or whatever)as if I was non- > > existant. And the 'thorn' instantly does its job. > > > > Now the 'story of me', being recreated thru the day, taking different > > forms... seems to be a very living business,.. it's not some > > fixed/uniform hurt which once seen, (though it does bring a relief), > > is uprooted for ever,.. is it ? > > > > So that's about as far as I can go with this enquiry.. > > can you add, substract or bring a new observation to this ? > > > > It might sound sentimental, but to me, if this 'number' could be > > uprooted from our psychic, heaven might be just around the corner. > > > > Hope to hear from you > > jb. > > > > > > eGroups Sponsor > [Get 3 CDs for ONLY $9.99!] > Get 3 CDs for ONLY $9.99! > > > > > // > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and > > subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not > > different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the > > nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always > > Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart > > to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the > > Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It > > Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at > > www., and select the User Center link > > from the menu bar > > on the left. This menu will also let you change > > your subscription > > between digest and normal mode. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 On 1/25/01 at 1:22 PM J B wrote: ºHi Mark, ºFor the sake of a perhaps not so important record of correct ºidentification, I am not 'Jan'. Since there are 2 jb's here, I assume ºthat Jan is jb, while I, the writer of the 'hurt' post, is JB. ºI know I have signed jb, so from now on I'd better ºstick to JB ..?! :-) ºJB. [......] Two things: 1) Show a post that I signed with jb 2) JB, as a rule you sign as "JB" but not the one Mark responded to. And perhaps Amanda will have something else to add Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 Hi JB, oops. sorry about that. (no hurt intended) Love, Mark ps what are your thoughts on ending hurt, and is it at all related to body tension, or am I off my rocker? J B wrote: Hi Mark, For the sake of a perhaps not so important record of correct identification, I am not 'Jan'. Since there are 2 jb's here, I assume that Jan is jb, while I, the writer of the 'hurt' post, is JB. I know I have signed jb, so from now on I'd better stick to JB ..?! :-) JB. , Mark Otter <mark.otter@s...> wrote: > Amen, Jan, Amen! > > This really is worthy of close inspection. (although close inspection > hurts) I've been noticing lately the way I hold tension in my body, > pretty much all the time. It feels like a chicken/egg question whether > the holding in of my stomach and the restriction of my breath is a > defense against feeling hurt, or the way in which I feel the hurt. All > I know is that it is constant, and that when I notice it, I can > consciously relax it (unless it is really strong in which case I need to > emote to get to where I can relax it - I'm a fan of emoting and letting > go because it makes the phenomenon I'm talking about particularly clear > for awhile.) Anyway, I can allow it to relax, which feels wonderful and > I think I'm on to something, and then seconds later I can do the whole > thing all over again. My body clenches up automatically and it's hard > to detect the clenching up itself - I usually notice it afterwards. > > I had a powerful epiphany about 12 years ago now wherein ALL of the > tension in my body was gone. What an amazing difference!!! I realized > who I was then, but then the drug wore off, and I've been periodically > rediscovering the tension thing ever since. I'm thinking the time has > come to really work on it, being aware of it and reversing it until the > body learns a new habit. > > Anyway, I'm not exactly sure what the relationship is between the body > tension I am describing and the feeling of personal hurt that you are > inquiring about, but I do believe they are closely related and are the > very conditioning that we would like to become free of. > > Best of luck with it and love, > Mark > > J B wrote: > > > Hi > > > > Feeling hurt,.. a reoccuring theme, almost daily. > > And so I wonder, why I've never looked into it deeply enough. > > It seems to me that if the arising of this 'thing' would be an > > impossibility, it would also make it impossible for many other forms > > of suffering to take root, grow and cripple life. > > Anyone willing to look at this 'thorn' ? > > > > We've heard and perhaps also seen, the self-image as a cause of hurt. > > We've heard that if no 'ego'/I then there would'nt be any hurt. > > We've heard and done it perhaps succesfully to a certain > > extent/depth, the looking into it/awareness of it. > > And yet, it is being reborn, again and again. > > One might say that what is necessary is constant awareness.. > > But can you have awareness when drowning/frying in deep/intense > > hurt ? > > > > I do see that every moment, the thought structure fabricates stories > > about 'me-me'.. I am like this/that, I am good because.. and somebody > > drops in and tells me I am an ass.... or just ignores me, not even > > looking at me (for reasons of dislike or whatever)as if I was non- > > existant. And the 'thorn' instantly does its job. > > > > Now the 'story of me', being recreated thru the day, taking different > > forms... seems to be a very living business,.. it's not some > > fixed/uniform hurt which once seen, (though it does bring a relief), > > is uprooted for ever,.. is it ? > > > > So that's about as far as I can go with this enquiry.. > > can you add, substract or bring a new observation to this ? > > > > It might sound sentimental, but to me, if this 'number' could be > > uprooted from our psychic, heaven might be just around the corner. > > > > Hope to hear from you > > jb. > > > > > > eGroups Sponsor > [Get 3 CDs for ONLY $9.99!] > Get 3 CDs for ONLY $9.99! > > > > > // > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and > > subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not > > different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the > > nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always > > Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart > > to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the > > Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It > > Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at > > www., and select the User Center link > > from the menu bar > > on the left. This menu will also let you change > > your subscription > > between digest and normal mode. > > > > > > // All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at www., and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription between digest and normal mode. Attachment: (image/gif) C:\windows\TEMP\nsmail5E.gif [not stored] Attachment: (image/gif) C:\windows\TEMP\nsmail1A.gif [not stored] Attachment: (image/gif) C:\windows\TEMP\nsmail0K.gif [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 Hey guys, (or Dear Alphonse as the case may be) yOU knnow it's entirelyy possible that Mark had no clue there were two jBs and was just trying to be polite by using a first name, any first name... I'm sure that if this wer e true, he woudl aplogyze very nicely as he's a decent sort fo chap, but I can't find him anywhere. He's hiding in shame. Hey, maybe he won't come back! that'd bee col. cours, he's in chareg of spelling, so I guess hes nee'ded Love, Mark's cruel shadow (aka Harsha, the hoodlum) ps I remember an old Peanuts cartoon, where Snoopy was asked to hold Lucy's balloon while she went to the movies, and he fell asleep and yawned, which released the balloon. The last panel was Snoopy with a bandanna tied to the end of a pole, imagining himself saying "You make one mistake, and you pay for it the rest of your life..." I love Charles Schultz. I love you too. jb wrote: > On 1/25/01 at 1:22 PM J B wrote: > > ºHi Mark, > ºFor the sake of a perhaps not so important record of correct > ºidentification, I am not 'Jan'. Since there are 2 jb's here, I assume > ºthat Jan is jb, while I, the writer of the 'hurt' post, is JB. > ºI know I have signed jb, so from now on I'd better > ºstick to JB ..?! :-) > ºJB. > [......] > Two things: > 1) Show a post that I signed with jb > 2) JB, as a rule you sign as "JB" but not the one Mark responded to. > > And perhaps Amanda will have something else to add > > Jan > > // > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at > www., and select the User Center link from the menu bar > on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription > between digest and normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2001 Report Share Posted January 29, 2001 Hi Mark This is the other JB. You seem to be a quite humorous person. But now to less funny stuff: you write: "what are your thoughts on ending hurt, and is it at all related to body tension, or am I off my rocker?" As I am a polite chap, I would'nt say you are 'off your rocker', even if I thought so, but I do not think so. On the other hand, if 'off one's rocker' means 'out of one's mind', there is a possibility that this is so, in the positive sense of the word,.. awareness free of thought. You perceive tension in the body along with hurt. It seems that all mental/emotional states have an effect on the body. Hurt too. But I do not know whether the body tension can cause emotional hurt. I just see that verbally one says 'I am hurt, because...'. The be-causes can vary but the hurt 'I' is common. You have probably also read much on the 'I'/ego, and how far out would be without it,.. we could probably give a long lecture about it... But... So why does the final release not happen ? What's missing ? And I am not looking for a new 'trick'. It does not seem to do the 'job', except for short periods of absorption into the object of the 'trick'. When you find out what's missing, or in what way _I_ am off -my- rocker, please let me know... :-) Take care, JB-the-2nd appologizing for possible inconvenience to jb-the-1st. , "Mark W. Otter" <mark.otter@s...> wrote: > Hi JB, > > oops. sorry about that. (no hurt intended) > > Love, Mark > ps what are your thoughts on ending hurt, and is it at all related to > body tension, or am I off my rocker? > > J B wrote: > > > Hi Mark, > > For the sake of a perhaps not so important record of correct > > identification, I am not 'Jan'. Since there are 2 jb's here, I assume > > that Jan is jb, while I, the writer of the 'hurt' post, is JB. > > I know I have signed jb, so from now on I'd better > > stick to JB ..?! :-) > > JB. > > > > > > , Mark Otter <mark.otter@s...> wrote: > > > > > Amen, Jan, Amen! > > > > > > This really is worthy of close inspection. (although close > > inspection > > > hurts) I've been noticing lately the way I hold tension in my body, > > > > > pretty much all the time. It feels like a chicken/egg question > > whether > > > the holding in of my stomach and the restriction of my breath is a > > > defense against feeling hurt, or the way in which I feel the hurt. > > All > > > I know is that it is constant, and that when I notice it, I can > > > consciously relax it (unless it is really strong in which case I > > need to > > > emote to get to where I can relax it - I'm a fan of emoting and > > letting > > > go because it makes the phenomenon I'm talking about particularly > > clear > > > for awhile.) Anyway, I can allow it to relax, which feels > > wonderful and > > > I think I'm on to something, and then seconds later I can do the > > whole > > > thing all over again. My body clenches up automatically and it's > > hard > > > to detect the clenching up itself - I usually notice it afterwards. > > > > > > I had a powerful epiphany about 12 years ago now wherein ALL of the > > > tension in my body was gone. What an amazing difference!!! I > > realized > > > who I was then, but then the drug wore off, and I've been > > periodically > > > rediscovering the tension thing ever since. I'm thinking the time > > has > > > come to really work on it, being aware of it and reversing it until > > the > > > body learns a new habit. > > > > > > Anyway, I'm not exactly sure what the relationship is between the > > body > > > tension I am describing and the feeling of personal hurt that you > > are > > > inquiring about, but I do believe they are closely related and are > > the > > > very conditioning that we would like to become free of. > > > > > > Best of luck with it and love, > > > Mark > > > > > > J B wrote: > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > Feeling hurt,.. a reoccuring theme, almost daily. > > > > And so I wonder, why I've never looked into it deeply enough. > > > > It seems to me that if the arising of this 'thing' would be an > > > > impossibility, it would also make it impossible for many other > > forms > > > > of suffering to take root, grow and cripple life. > > > > Anyone willing to look at this 'thorn' ? > > > > > > > > We've heard and perhaps also seen, the self-image as a cause of > > hurt. > > > > We've heard that if no 'ego'/I then there would'nt be any hurt. > > > > We've heard and done it perhaps succesfully to a certain > > > > extent/depth, the looking into it/awareness of it. > > > > And yet, it is being reborn, again and again. > > > > One might say that what is necessary is constant awareness.. > > > > But can you have awareness when drowning/frying in deep/intense > > > > hurt ? > > > > > > > > I do see that every moment, the thought structure fabricates > > stories > > > > about 'me-me'.. I am like this/that, I am good because.. and > > somebody > > > > drops in and tells me I am an ass.... or just ignores me, not even > > > > > > looking at me (for reasons of dislike or whatever)as if I was non- > > > > > > existant. And the 'thorn' instantly does its job. > > > > > > > > Now the 'story of me', being recreated thru the day, taking > > different > > > > forms... seems to be a very living business,.. it's not some > > > > fixed/uniform hurt which once seen, (though it does bring a > > relief), > > > > is uprooted for ever,.. is it ? > > > > > > > > So that's about as far as I can go with this enquiry.. > > > > can you add, substract or bring a new observation to this ? > > > > > > > > It might sound sentimental, but to me, if this 'number' could be > > > > uprooted from our psychic, heaven might be just around the corner. > > > > > > > > > > Hope to hear from you > > > > jb. > > > > > > > > > > > > eGroups Sponsor > > > [Get 3 CDs for ONLY $9.99!] > > > Get 3 CDs for ONLY $9.99! > > > > > > > > > > > // > > > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, > > sights, > > > > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in > > and > > > > subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are > > not > > > > different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are > > of the > > > > nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always > > > > Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the > > Heart > > > > to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in > > the > > > > Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It > > > > > > Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > > > > > To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at > > > > www., and select the User Center > > link > > > > from the menu bar > > > > on the left. This menu will also let you change > > > > > > your subscription > > > > between digest and normal mode. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eGroups Sponsor > [image] > [image] > www. > > > > > > // > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and > > subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not > > different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the > > nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always > > Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart > > to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the > > Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It > > Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at > > www., and select the User Center link > > from the menu bar > > on the left. This menu will also let you change > > your subscription > > between digest and normal mode. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2001 Report Share Posted January 29, 2001 Greetings JB-the-2nd, you wrote: ->So why does the final release not happen ? ->What's missing ? ->And I am not looking for a new 'trick'. It does not seem to do ->the 'job', except for short periods of absorption into the object of ->the 'trick'. ->When you find out what's missing, or in what way _I_ am off -my- ->rocker, please let me know... :-) Have not seen a good rocker in years. But....... release from the bondage of psychosomatic physical tension is the release from the bondage of the defiling programs contained in the mind. An un-tensed mind results in an un-tensed body, and visa versa. Such tension can and does Cause many seeming ailments and perhaps hurt in general. It does not start in the body however. So, I would say, that it is not in what is missing but rather what is added to Cause such tension. What has been added starting with when we first embarked on this adventure we call Life is the foundation for this tension. Then when one little notion is further added, the straw that broke the camel's back so to speak, TILT. No mystery or trick about that, nor is a rocket scientist needed to work out the physics behind it. Just a simple matter of freeing up Space on the hard drive and defragmenting it. v^v^v^v^v^v^}{^v^v^v^v One of the old masters was asked "What is the Way ?" the old master took his brush and wrote the character for "attention". The monks ask, "is there anything else ?" The master wrote: "attention, attention". The monks say, "that's it !?!" The master writes: "Attention ! Attention ! Attention !" Let There Be Light -- Always in All Ways, }^-^{ http://www.Light-Mission.org Light Mission Spiritual Books http://www.Light-Mission.org/LM_Books.html Mission Of Light Retreat Center http://www.Mission-Of-Light-Retreat-Center.org "A mind that is stretched to a new idea never returns to it's original dimension." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2001 Report Share Posted January 29, 2001 << This is the other JB. (...) Take care, JB >> Welcome on this list JB, It is nice to read you. And don't worry each one typing leaves behind the signature of the place and time from where it was typed, but mostly of the warmth of there heart. And yours is most welcome... I like reading you. Antoine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2001 Report Share Posted January 29, 2001 << Release from thebondage of psychosomatic physical tension is the release from the bondageof the defiling programs contained in the mind. An un-tensed mind resultsin an un-tensed body, and visa versa. Such tension can and does Causemany seeming ailments and perhaps hurt in general. It does not start inthe body however. Let There Be Light -- Always in All Ways, }^-^{ >> Hello ejLight, and it is nice to read you also, My wife who is an orthopedic surgeon is amazed on how breaking a bone changes the life of her patient. The mind talks in all ways, even starting with the body or solid objects, one only need to listen to find the only Mind. Enjoy Antoine Attachment: (image/gif) dead_cat-live_cat.gif [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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