Guest guest Posted January 26, 2001 Report Share Posted January 26, 2001 Dear Mark, I once saw a bear with his head stuck in a honey jar. He thought he was seeing God because his eyes were covered with honey. When he got out of the jar, all he could talk about was how God is honey. I laughed and laughed, because who could ever say a bear is wrong for thinking God is honey? I love Winnie, and thanks for your pooh, too! Namaste, Eeyore >Hi Gang, > >I've been enjoying the discussion on Gill's experience, and am moved to >tell a short story of my own (past) exeriences with drug-related >openings. Well, maybe two stories. My experiences suggest that LSD can >facilitate deep openings, but that a certain degree of readiness is >necessary for the quick intense experiences to become integrated. I had >an experience of being peeled like a banana by the hand of God, which >left me with none of the tension in my body that I usually carry. This >was the first time I had any clue how MUCH tension there usually is. It >was numinous, and I spent considerable time laughing joyously at >discovering my name, and it was perfectly clear that all is right and >fine and there is no need whatsoever for fear of any kind. I consider >it a true immersion into my true self. Of course it wore off, and I >tried many times to recreate it in the way that I had come to it the >first time. Finally, the drug itself asked me to stop. I had an >experience of being an infinitely long string in an infinitely large >space of infinitely many, infinitely long strings, each of which was >perpendicular to every other one, and the use of the drug was revealed >to me as creating tension in the string that was me, which then was >pulling on every other string, causing it to not be straight. (is that >the source of the word straight meaning not using drugs? hmmm....). >Anyway, at the time, the point was very clear that the drug had given me >a true glimpse into my nature, but that it would not replace the >practice that would remove the layers of conditioning that hid it, and >that further use would actually add to those layers. The tension in the >string was named karma, and I was adding to it, not relieving it by my >explorations. I make no claims whatsoever about what this very personal >experience means for anyone else. I just mean to say that from my >perspective, the K opening, which I am confident that the first >experience was, was bone fide, but because of the means by which it was >elicited, it was temporary and I also mean to say that the drug itself >told me to stop using it. That was very clear while on the drug, but I >used it several more times afterward because the clarity wore off. > > >So to the naysayers who say there is no value in drug experiences, I say >pooh. And to anyone who says that drug use by itself is a sensible >spiritual practice, I say pooh. Finally, to those who suggest that any >experience that isn't the ultimate enlightenment experience isn't worth >having or talking about, I say pooh. If that were true, why would we >waste our time being alive? It's all grist for the mill, but I >certainly agree from where I'm sitting, that to label any experience as >the end all and be all, and to claim completion is silly. Surely this >will endlessly reveal itself to be deeper and deeper and more and more >marvelous. Yum! I say GOOD WORK, GOD!!! (and pat myself on the back) > >Love, Mark >ps Hear, hear, Michael. Well said. > >MHortling wrote: > > > Dear Gill, Swaminarayan ! > > > > Drugs can indeed trigger kundalini and make it rise through the > > psychic > > channels, giving you an expanded experience of yourself. Many, many > > people > > have had this happen to themselves in the past decades. > > > > My initial kundalini awakening also came about after smoking cannabis. > > > > However not all psychedelic experiences will automatically release > > shakti, > > but when it IS triggered and actually travels up through the spine, > > the > > sensations involved aren't easily overlooked. So, I'd say that if one > > feels > > the energy move, electric, orgasmic sensations crawling up the > > backbone, > > electrical tingling within the brain, visions of light in the spine > > etc, then > > it is a true awakening. The kundalini can go back to sleep for a while > > > > afterwards and one might have to deal with possibly unpleasant or even > > > > disastrous side-effects of the drug, but it's still just as real - > > or > > unreal - as anything else in these worlds we live in. Other > > experiences are > > equally real but then don't involve the active shakti. > > > > Believing mystical experience and kundalini-release will only come > > about > > after rigorous discipline within the framework of traditional > > teachings, is a > > limiting view and doesn't correspond to the way these things actually > > seem to > > happen - although having discipline and knowledge of the traditions > > can save > > one from a lot of hassles and definitely seem to be necessary at some > > point > > along the way. > > > > So many things come into play, what about the past-life factor ? If > > you spent > > a whole incarnation doing asanas and pranayama and then decided you > > needed a > > break and became a wine-drinking and meat-eating gourmet, smoking > > hashish-cigars in this lifetime, you could possibly be closer to a > > kundalini > > awakening than someone who's spent only 20 years in an ashram in the > > here & > > now. > > > > If heart and feelings are pure and one is in tune with oneself and the > > world, > > I think there's a bigger chance of having a mystical experience than > > if one's > > a grumpy, self- and narrow-minded so-called yogi. (been there, done > > that ) > > > > And what about grace ? > > > > Probably no one knows these things, in the end everything > > mysteriously seems > > to happen within God according to plan - so, in that respect, > > everything is > > always alright. If everything is always God or Self experiencing > > itself, > > there are no true or false experiences - just whatever is. > > > > As far as I can tell, there's a big difference in the way the various > > drugs > > and alcohol act upon the body-mind system and this probably has a lot > > to do > > with the predominant tendency within the substance itself. > > > > Psilocybin mushrooms and cannabis for instance seem to contain a fair > > amount > > of sattva (spiritual purity - although cannabis at least has a lot of > > tamas > > in it as well). So, for a sattvic consciousness, these substances, in > > the > > proper circumstances, seem to enable the unlocking of the inner > > gateway to > > the greater self. > > > > Alcohol on the other hand seems to increase rajoguna (activity, > > agression) > > and then quickly turns tamasic and makes one drowsy and less > > conscious. > > > > So, I'd say, having a kundalini experience while downing cocktails > > could only > > happen to those of an extremely sattvic or pure disposition, who are > > able to > > convert the darkness and restricting quality of their vodka & lemon > > into > > light - and most probably people like that wouldn't be seen drinking > > cocktails in the first place ) > > > > Take care, > > > > Michael > > >// > >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, >perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and >subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not >different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the >nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. >It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the >Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of >Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome >all to a. > >To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at > www., and select the User Center link from > the menu bar > on the left. This menu will also let you change your > subscription > between digest and normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2001 Report Share Posted January 26, 2001 Hey Dan, You are a honey yourself! Love, Mark Daniel Berkow wrote: > Dear Mark, > > I once saw a bear > with his head > stuck in a honey > jar. > > He thought he was > seeing God because > his eyes were covered > with honey. > > When he got out of > the jar, all he could > talk about was how > God is honey. > > I laughed and laughed, > because who could > ever say a bear > is wrong for thinking > God is honey? > > I love Winnie, > and thanks for > your pooh, > too! > > Namaste, > Eeyore > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2001 Report Share Posted January 26, 2001 DEar EeYore, You are so very wise not to pooh-pooh Mark, He is so bouncy, he must be a Tigger, Who would bounce all over you, 'Cause that's what Tiggers do Best. We are getting up an expotition to look for God, so you can go too and tell us when we are there. Love, Piglet PS. I am just a small animal, but I remebered to snip! - Daniel Berkow Friday, January 26, 2001 1:47 PM Re: invoking the name of Winnie Dear Mark,I once saw a bear with his head stuck in a honey jar.He thought he was seeing God because his eyes were covered with honey.When he got out of the jar, all he could talk about was how God is honey.I laughed and laughed, because who could ever say a bear is wrong for thinking God is honey?I love Winnie, and thanks for your pooh, too!Namaste,Eeyore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2001 Report Share Posted January 26, 2001 Dear Piglet, You are there. Now, we don't have to go on an exposition. You can snip and do whatever Piglets do best. Eeyores eat thistles best. Love, Eeyore P.S. I am just a grumpy animal, but I remember the nice taste of thistles. >DEar EeYore, > >You are so very wise > not to pooh-pooh Mark, >He is so bouncy, > he must be a Tigger, >Who would bounce all over you, > 'Cause that's what Tiggers do >Best. > >We are getting up >an expotition >to look for God, so you can go too >and tell us >when we are there. > >Love, >Piglet > >PS. I am just a small animal, but I remebered to snip! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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