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On Sat, 3 Feb 2001 18:23:09

 

Wim Borsboom wrote:

>Tim, hi

>

>Why not just trying to understand what I wrote? You don't even give yourself

>half a chance. :-)

>

>Why am I so stubborn here, if I am stubborn at all?

>Attachment to my point of view?

>

>I know already what you say, but I'm trying to talk you out of it.

>I know already that confusion (which seems clear to you) comes from and

>leads to suffering...

>

>But we need to pass humour 101 as well.

 

Hmmm.... Wim, I rather think Tim / Omkara has stopped listening to you and

participating in this discussion.

But it's up to you if you want to continue it of course.

 

Also, last time we had a list members being a little too eager to talk about

their sex lives and show off their cool by swearing, the moderators deemed those

behavior modes bad form for the list.

 

So Tim and Wim, please keep the swearing and the sex lives a secret for the rest

of us, hm ? We try to have some style in here and take ourselves as seriously as

possible befitting our status as enlightened advaitins.

 

 

Love,

 

Amanda.

 

 

 

 

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Dear Amanda,

 

You wrote:

> Hmmm.... Wim, I rather think Tim / Omkara has

> stopped listening to you and participating in this discussion.

> But it's up to you if you want to continue it of course.

 

Appreciated, that about listening may be true, but what do we know at this

point? I will not try to make up Tim's mind. He may have stopped

answering... but listening is a totally different matter, there are

different ways of participation as our appreciated lurkers attest to...

> So Tim and Wim, please keep the swearing and

> the sex lives a secret for the rest of us, hm ?

> We try to have some style in here and take ourselves

> as seriously as possible befitting

> our status as enlightened advaitins.

 

An advaitin or non-dualist I am not, I am Wim who appreciates Ramana

Maharshi very much, especially his silence when certain subjects were

broached... This though is email.... (try to do that in without words :-) I

am not afraid of some well meant duelling, that is fun, a kind of egroup

martial arts maybe, sure it can be boisterous but there is no breakable

furniture or glassware around.

And... and... and... and... status (?) that is not what we aim for... or is

it? :-)

 

Anyway, the two of us did not swear, except maybe for the word "Hell" that

was used once. The sex life part, of course, I see what you mean, but then a

Satsangh could allow a bit of openness. Why not? Are we not whole human

beings, nothing wrong with sexuality, last time I asked my mom. That is why

I answered to that in a humorous vein.

 

What Tim does with all this is OK with me. He is a strong enough person who

can handle me, and he will also handle a few of the things I threw at him...

in some serious jest...

 

When I was 24, I was at an important art exhibition opening, (sculpting

being my artistic endeavour) and out of the blue came a gentleman who had

some seriously harsh words for me... Those words did not make any sense to

me at all because I happened to be in the counteractive, recalcitrant

mode... I withdrew to the Museum Gardens and let my reactionary behaviour

subside... All of a sudden, I saw what he meant... I never saw that man

again... He was my greatest teacher though. Not that I claim or aim to be

such a person for Tim... That depends totally on him. I have no influence on

that... I might even be a bastardly "bleh blah bloh" guy.

 

However, I hope that Tim will be a bit more observant with language...

Language, the greatest invention since we became human beings... it has to

be safeguarded... (you do it your way by sending this note). I do it my way,

so far the only way I know... but there is hope for me... I hope...

 

Most misunderstanding indeed, comes from misuse and abuse of language. So

Amanda, thanks for your note...

 

Love, Wim

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