Guest guest Posted February 7, 2001 Report Share Posted February 7, 2001 Dear List, How come it feels, often, like trying to discuss on is like navigating through a minefield? As though one must tiptoe to avoid upsetting the 'spiritual agenda' of someone else... and the complaint is loud, indeed, if ever a toe is stepped on! This isn't present to nearly this degree on the NondualitySalon list, as an example. Somehow NDS has managed to avoid it (credit should be given to Jerry, perhaps). Here, what is called 'Satsangh' means: 'Act in such a way as others consider to be 'spiritual', entirely arbitrary and based on various emotional and conceptual notions of 'spirituality'. The lowest common denominator becomes 'acceptable behavior'. It is difficult to participate here without becoming like a sheep, grazing in the fields. Few 'contradictory' views are tolerated. The "peace" is to be kept above all else, the contracted egos must not be disturbed or given a way of thinking 'outside the norm'. To be blunt, reading/participating on this list is like walking through a graveyard. Namaste, Omkara ----- Tim's Websites -- WWW Hub: http://core.vdirect.net Radio Site: http://swlinks.webalias.com Spiritual: http://coresite.cjb.net Shareware: http://tshareware.webjump.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2001 Report Share Posted February 7, 2001 Omkara, > How come it feels, often, like trying to discuss on is like > navigating through a minefield? > It is difficult to participate here without becoming like a sheep, grazing > in the fields. Few 'contradictory' views are tolerated. The "peace" is to > be kept above all else, the contracted egos must not be disturbed or given > a way of thinking 'outside the norm'. I'm not sure if I was one of the "mines" you refer to, but I encourage you to disregard other people's egos and spiritual agendas and be the lion that you are, not a sheep. Why concern yourself if somebody does not tolerate your views? That is their problem, not yours. > To be blunt, reading/participating on this list is like walking through a > graveyard. A graveyard with land mines! Wow, is it really that bad? If so, maybe we should rename the list The Dead Zone? Kelvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2001 Report Share Posted February 7, 2001 Tim Gerchmez [coresite] Wednesday, February 07, 2001 3:17 PM Minefields... Dear List, How come it feels, often, like trying to discuss on is like navigating through a minefield? As though one must tiptoe to avoid upsetting the 'spiritual agenda' of someone else... and the complaint is loud, indeed, if ever a toe is stepped on! This isn't present to nearly this degree on the NondualitySalon list, as an example. Somehow NDS has managed to avoid it (credit should be given to Jerry, perhaps). Here, what is called 'Satsangh' means: 'Act in such a way as others consider to be 'spiritual', entirely arbitrary and based on various emotional and conceptual notions of 'spirituality'. The lowest common denominator becomes 'acceptable behavior'. It is difficult to participate here without becoming like a sheep, grazing in the fields. Few 'contradictory' views are tolerated. The "peace" is to be kept above all else, the contracted egos must not be disturbed or given a way of thinking 'outside the norm'. To be blunt, reading/participating on this list is like walking through a graveyard. Namaste, Omkara _____________ I love your bluntness Tim! Thank you. We support a diversity of spiritual perspectives here. I guess we are just a wild and crazy bunch in some ways. Perhaps what you are saying is that all the nicey nicey stuff here is contrived. I am not sure about that. The bottom line is that we are just genuinely decent and good people and like to have fun without going outside the bounds of common civility. Love you pal Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2001 Report Share Posted February 7, 2001 , "M.K. Hovila" <hovila@f...> wrote: > I'm not sure if I was one of the "mines" you refer to, but I > encourage you to disregard other people's egos and spiritual > agendas and be the lion that you are, not a sheep. Why concern > yourself if somebody does not tolerate your views? That is their > problem, not yours. It's not myself that's the concern, I'm concerned about the list. Being d to many other lists, I rarely even post here, and I don't care in the slightest what goes on here. There's always somewhere else to go. To blithly say "that is someone else's problem" is not my way. In pointing my the perception of how this list is, I *am* in fact disregarding the agendas of others. Love, Omkara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2001 Report Share Posted February 8, 2001 Hi Tim, I'm probably the only one who writes so outspokenly on this list sometimes. I have not seen other posts directed to you that were close to my, OK, "critical style of expression." It might be my Dutch descent, not sure, we have a way of saying things straight. Whether that is blunt or sharp I don't know. Rest assure though that it is meant well, but we have this bad habit of suggesting people strongly what they should do... The Dutch (Hollanders) share that with the Deutch (Germans). Am I generalizing? Well, at least it is a good form of self criticism. If you find me arrogant or if you think some other pejorative is applicable, imagine what I must have been... I'm a "prince of peace" now, compared to my combative style of proselytising so many many years ago.... Us Dutch people overall tend to take a critical exchange a little easier.... Maybe we thrive on it... It does sometimes lead to friendship... Sometimes also friendship proves to be real friendship when it can withstand a scrap or two. Criticism has nothing to do with personal rejection, we confuse that so often. As you said "attachment to a viewpoint" is not good, but I bet you, when an exchange feels uncomfortable to oneself, one is also attached to one's own viewpoint. A good exchange helps both parties to detach together... As long as one knows that one is not rejecting each other's being... (Ah, me the great paternalizer, in addition to being pedantic and a person who does perform unnatural acts of mental Narcissism. :-)) I had to learn from advice. I'm also on the K.list, and things, years ago, used to be rather vehement...and My God was it hard for me to learn from it... I think I have learned from it.... whether it shows is something else. I still have this Dutch accent on my character. Sorry if I hurt you somehow. But no, I do not have an agenda... Or is that something that all people with an agenda say...? Compassion, love, enlightenment, realization, clarity is on the agenda every minute portion of each day... Alright, there is an agenda... and at the end of the day there is always some unfinished business that I can work at when I have been alerted and after I have eventually found the tools to fix or work at it. Mindful mindlessness. Love , Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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