Welcome to the new members

[Guest guest]

We want to welcome the new members who joined. Thanks for the joke Luan.

Thanks Jerry for telling me to put the http in front of the a

website so the e-mail programs can read it like

. I never could figure out what that http stood

for. Thanks Jeff for that note from the academe on the Department of

Redundancy. We could use a few of those to help people stay out of trouble!

Thanks Dakini for hovering above us.

 

Here is an exchange and comments below on the nature of Realization.

 

Dennis Waite [dwaite]

 

In the same way, once realisation is attained, the scripture is no longer

needed. If realisation has indeed taken place in a particular body-mind

mechanism, where is the need to go to the Vedas or any other pramaaNa for

verification? Surely only the ego could want to check to see if the 'state'

experienced corresponds with a description given in the Vedas? If there is

genuine realisation, there would no longer be any ego or state.

 

There can be no need to go and look to check in which direction the finger

is pointing if he is now looking directly at the moon himself.

 

Dennis

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Well put Dennis and you raise an important issue and I will pass this on to

HarshaSatsanga as well.

 

Confirmation is relevant for those who are in the "in-between" stage. We can

see this in the conversation between Sri Ramana and Kunju Swami. When Kunju

Swami experienced the Self in the presence of the Sage, he was satisfied and

went home. He was, however, unable to become steady in his knowledge. Upon

going back to Arunachala, he asked to have his doubts clarified. I believe

Sri Ramana asked Kunju Swami to get the scripture "Kaivalya Navneeta" from

the shelf and read a particular verse which means that the experience of the

Self, even when gained once, can be lost due to the strength of vasanas

(latent tendencies). To steady oneself in the Supreme Knowledge one has to

hear the truth again and again from the Guru and reflect on it and remain

aware of it holding on to it. When the vasanas have substantially thinned

out, Self-Awareness dominates and no room is left for doubt, thoughts,

questions, etc.

 

As Ramana Maharshi has stated again and again, while Kevala Nirvikalpa

Samadhi gives Direct Knowledge in Total Clarity of The Self, the latent

tendencies will at times appear to draw the mind of the Yogi out again.

Therefore, the Sage of Arunachala has said that the aim should be to become

aware fundamentally of one's true primal state. This is the easy and natural

state our sages refer to as Sahaj Samadhi. Here the question of the mind

being drawn out of its source does not exist at all and therefore all talk

about confirmation of Self etc., is moot. Self is the Self. It is beyond all

concepts and scriptures. The Guru disappears in the Self. Self Refers to It

Self as Pure Consciousness That Is Whole. It Reveals It Self Continuously as

It Is. Once Realized, who remains to confirm or deny it?

 

Love to all

Harsha