teachers, was: Yogi Jerrysan Rinpoche

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On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:57:12

Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar) wrote:

 

Linda wrote:

>challenge, especially when

>one moves into the realm of working with those teachers who have achieved a

>level of being able to work with shakti energy. If those teachers have not

>cleaned up their own act, have not faced their own issues/samskaras the

>danger of their egos being huge is very much present. Personally, I believe

>that an active kundalini combined with many unresolved psychological

>problems

>can leave the teacher/guru actually unable to see how irrational they have

>become. This speaks of the core issue itself - teacher/guru found some

>techniques and, without the proper guidance, unleashed "energy voltage" and

>proceeds to pump him/herself up by presenting teachings.

 

 

Jerry:

> So, l have to

>admit that l don't know of any teacher who l would trust with my process. l

>must add that l have heard of teachers who have helped people with

>*problems*, and l do believe that good ones are out there, but as you say,

>they're extremely rare. And l don't believe that even the best of them can

>smooth out everyone's k difficulties. For many of us, simply alot of

>nurturing and patience over a long period of time is required IMO.

 

Not at all to disbelieve or disrespect Linda and Jerrysan (the Tulku of

Tulkus)'s words in any way,

 

but merely to express my own surprise and thoughts on this

as it seems to me

judging from my own experience with the Shakti energy

odd

that teachers should at all be able to "pump themselves up" with energy and have

their egos dominate the continuation of direct energy "teaching" (guidance)

 

as I see it, the more ego and assumptions how things should and should not be

(as in desire for power)

the more of a person is still in there

the more impulse for control in the human sense

the less the probability that shakti will awaken in the other

and the less probability the process being one of efficiency

 

I guess we are saying the same thing in many ways

 

 

Love,

 

Amanda.

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Amanda:

I understand your viewpoint and a few years ago I agreed with it. It

was hard for me to imagine shakti working through a person who still

had ego and power issues. That belief led me to pain and a life

changing situation. As I look back I realize that many signs with my

teacher were there and on one level I was seeing what was happening

and running into conflict with the teacher because of it. On another

level my belief in his ability with kundalini energy had me convinced

that no matter how bizarre and cruel he had become there was a higher

purpose because the shakti energy could not be wrong. One could even

say that the shakti energy was on target within my self because I was

pulled out of the situation so that I could continue my journey before

it was too late.

Since then I have fully come to understand that just like electrical

force will light a room safely or cause a fire in the same room

through faulty wiring kundalini energy can also run in a negative

fashion. Robert Svaboda and David Frawely both write of this in the

context of the balance of yoga and ayurveda. Ramana Mahrishi

explains it very clearly when he speaks of the kundalini having to go

through the crown but then come back into the heart for the process to

be complete. Others who have also run into crisis with the teacher

all speak of how over the years he lost his heart and has no

compassion for anyone. My theory is that he has not brought the

energy back into his heart but the energy is still strong and still

active.

Namaste,

Linda

>Not at all to disbelieve or disrespect Linda and Jerrysan (the Tulku

of >Tulkus)'s words in any way, >but merely to express my own

surprise and thoughts on this>as it seems to me>judging from my own

experience with the Shakti energy>odd>that teachers should at all be

able to "pump themselves up" with energy >and have their egos

dominate the continuation of direct energy >"teaching" (guidance) >as

I see it, the more ego and assumptions how things should and should

>not be (as in desire for power)>the more of a person is still in

there >the more impulse for control in the human sense>the less the

probability that shakti will awaken in the other >and the less

probability the process being one of efficiency>I guess we are saying

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