Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 Hi William, I think you bring up good points here. Language is a vibration and the quality of language can have a negative impact....whether or not it's meant to be funny. I remember being told a long time ago that laughter is always another form of tears and is always at the expense of someone else. Being very young at the time I disagreed and was challenged to give one example of a funny situation or joke that was not at the expense of another person....I lost the argument :-). I am a native New Yorker who spent 9 years in FL and then moved back to NY. I've been really surprised to find myself put off by the roughness of NY language. I'm also dealing with a truckload of difficult family situations and sometimes find myself speaking in the same manner I did prior to living in FL....however, those times are times of stress and frustration.... not when I'm feeling peaceful or balanced.....the language does not really work as a release but rather seems to enhance the negative. It seems that when I pull back and consciously choose my words my whole attitude and vibration seems to smooth out. Thanks for sharing that story....in this time of a difficult new moon combined with mercury retrograde it is a good reminder. Linda > > I have a married couple as clients whose life together is quite peculiar. > Now that humour has been brought up from various angles, I think it is > worthwhile to bring this two-some up. > I know it is extreme what they ended up with, but they started out very > humorously in their relationship. > I knew these people before they became clients as people who always left a > snip > The lady one morning came to > our place as she had almost been strangled... while making love. > Their humour was a gallows humour... quite nasty. Their love making > eventually had them hanging from ropes and chains. Paining each other became > their enjoyment, snip > These two are finally willing to check their language and take it from > there. After some serious ultimatums were agreed upon. > A long road... > > Yes we started with language... after all they tried to get at each other's > throat... > > Love, Wim > > > > /join > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at > www., and select the User Center link from the menu bar > on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription > between digest and normal mode. > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 On 2/22/01 at 7:41 PM LC wrote: ºHi William, º ºI think you bring up good points here. Language is a vibration and the ºquality of language can have a negative impact....whether or not it's ºmeant ºto be funny. I remember being told a long time ago that laughter is always ºanother form of tears and is always at the expense of someone else. Being ºvery young at the time I disagreed and was challenged to give one example ºof ºa funny situation or joke that was not at the expense of another ºperson....I ºlost the argument :-). [...] I recently met a situation where laughing was possible at no one's expense (pun intended) and that was a good laugh, still continuing. One of my chat-friends gets disconnected regularly and during the time of waiting, I wrote poems... This friend being a poet, had to laugh loud as it was exactly how she felt each time... For those, familiar with the problem, perhaps it will aid to relax when "Murphy" strikes again... ----------------------------- No matter how I try My connection soon will die Trying more and even more Makes connecting such a bore I was trying oh so hard Connecting such an awful art But at last I'm back again I'm just waiting when.... CLICK):< Disconnect Oh what an act Shall I get mad Or go to bed And it happened once again Connecting - that must be a job for men... This dial-up is not my cup And there's no way of backing-up Oh what the heck I'll give the telephone a whack Coz whining wasn't meant for me Another try and see... Hurray - I'm back ----------------------------- Keep laughing, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2001 Report Share Posted February 24, 2001 Hi Jan: When one has to ability to relax as "Murphy" is striking one most likely has the ability to see the comedy of existence and life itself can be amusing. Often I have thought that life on earth could easily be the cosmic "comedy channel". Taken a step further laughing at the expense of another simply means that an ego has been hurt and of course, the ego is all part of the non-real. Back in the days when I lost that argument it would not have occurred to me that one's feelings and pride were not the reality of existence as I was very much into the healthy individual ego :-). Nowadays, I know better, but I also am of the opinion that most beings do respond to negative words in a hurtful way and that choosing to communicate with compassion does uplift others. Without getting into another teacher/guru thread it is also observed that many who think they are somewhere higher up choose to believe that they can use words to tear apart others with a false sense of "teaching". Unfortunately, many of these teachers are actually coming from unresolved anger and ego and their snipping humor does not hit the mark. Linda > I recently met a situation where laughing was possible at no one's expense (pun intended) and that was a good laugh, still continuing. One of my chat-friends gets disconnected regularly and during the time of waiting, I wrote poems... This friend being a poet, had to laugh loud as it was exactly how she felt each time... For those, familiar with the problem, perhaps it will aid to relax when "Murphy" strikes again... > ----------------------------- > No matter how I try > My connection soon will die > Trying more and even more > Makes connecting such a bore > > I was trying oh so hard > Connecting such an awful art > But at last I'm back again > I'm just waiting when.... CLICK):< > > Disconnect > Oh what an act > Shall I get mad > Or go to bed > > And it happened once again > Connecting - that must be a job for men... > This dial-up is not my cup > And there's no way of backing-up > > Oh what the heck > I'll give the telephone a whack > Coz whining wasn't meant for me > Another try and see... > Hurray - I'm back > ----------------------------- > > Keep laughing, > Jan /join > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at > www., and select the User Center link from the menu bar > on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription > between digest and normal mode. > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2001 Report Share Posted February 24, 2001 On 2/24/01 at 11:50 AM LC wrote: ºHi Jan: º ºWhen one has to ability to relax as "Murphy" is striking one most likely ºhas ºthe ability to see the comedy of existence and life itself can be amusing. ºOften I have thought that life on earth could easily be the cosmic "comedy ºchannel". It certainly has that quality of "comedy channel", as the consequence of knowing it has the reality of an image of a soap bubble reflected in a soap bubble, would be to lay on one's back and be happy. Instead, the contrary happens - and to no other avail but the production of many a "blooper". º ºTaken a step further laughing at the expense of another simply means that ºan ºego has been hurt and of course, the ego is all part of the non-real. Back ºin the days when I lost that argument it would not have occurred to me that ºone's feelings and pride were not the reality of existence as I was very ºmuch into the healthy individual ego :-). Strictly speaking, there is no laughing at the expense of another - it is possible to instantly change the opinion of someone, hurt this way, by showing gratitude for providing such joyous laughter - I've seen icy egos defrosting by such a remark... º ºNowadays, I know better, but I also am of the opinion that most beings do ºrespond to negative words in a hurtful way and that choosing to communicate ºwith compassion does uplift others. Without getting into another ºteacher/guru thread it is also observed that many who think they are ºsomewhere higher up choose to believe that they can use words to tear apart ºothers with a false sense of "teaching". Unfortunately, many of these ºteachers are actually coming from unresolved anger and ego and their ºsnipping humor does not hit the mark. º ºLinda Regarding "worldly life", there is no other way but to be compassionate - the opportunity to communicate at all being limited already... And regarding the "guru threads" I can only laugh - there are good reasons for the Indian "institutionalized" guru but that doesn't hold in the West - all one can hope for is a friend, able to eliminate insecurity and fears or eventually, matters like Shakti-pat. And to end with some "disconnecties": Oh - not again And always waiting when But irrespective of connection tide I sure did learn how to abide Oh yes - another disconnect As if there is a secret pact Once again thrown off the line But it's almost rise and shine Time to take a little nap Have some wine at dreamer's tap Will be back at - I don't know But I'm leaving from the show Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2001 Report Share Posted February 24, 2001 Dear Linda, You wrote: > it is also observed that many who think they are > somewhere higher up choose to believe that they can use words to tear apart > others with a false sense of "teaching". Unfortunately, many of these > teachers are actually coming from unresolved anger and ego and their > snipping humor does not hit the mark. Some of them don't even know that they use this teacher / guru attitude. Oh dear, do I remember what ass I made of myself in those days... funny though, I don't think that many noticed, they were into their own games putting prancing asses on pompous pedestals... hehehe... And who knows I am still doing it, hard to say, the only thing I know is that my anger has gone... and there are plenty of reasons(?) still to have anger, cannot take those reasons seriously anymore... reasoning being illusive) There maybe vestiges of old behaviour... Oh well it will be gone in due time... Love, Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2001 Report Share Posted February 25, 2001 Dear Jan You wrote: >>>And regarding the "guru threads" I can only laugh - there are good reasons for the Indian "institutionalized" guru >>>but that doesn't hold in the West >>>- all one can hope for is a friend, >>>able to eliminate insecurity and fears or eventually, matters like Shakti-pat. A friend are it ! Vrindaban (?) Hmmm? Love, Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2001 Report Share Posted February 25, 2001 On 2/25/01 at 9:37 AM Wim Borsboom wrote: ºDear Jan [...] ºA friend are it ! º ºVrindaban (?) Hmmm? º ºLove, Wim A boatman? Quite appropriate an image for an islander but no thanks, I'll leave that to Mark laying on the back of that beach where the sun neither rises nor sets a grain of sand the outskirts of the universe what is the difference Love, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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