Guest guest Posted February 25, 2001 Report Share Posted February 25, 2001 Harsha wrote: >Thanks American Dakini for hovering over us. >Love >Harsha ....And thank you Harshaji for opening up the space. Clouds do come and go but sun is always shining. Even when the children track mud into the sacred abode, I remember it as the blessed earth. I will keep witnessing, soaring and listening ... * * * * * Judi wrote: >******* *Hovering*, yes! You know Dakini, I had a dear friend >many years ago, who said of me, Judi is like the sky, you can't >put her into a milk carton, she simply doesn't fit! :-) Now I know >what he was talking about. :-) Well, that was then (many years ago); this is now. I have not been able to detect any sky-like spaciousness in your posted communications here, Judi. Au contrare, the cheap barbs and abusive language induce a profound contraction in people's hearts. Profanity doesn't shock me (I've worked with psychotics, the mentally ill and even the criminally insane for years) -- it's just so unskillful, unoriginal, inarticulate, uncivil and disrepsectful. Voice / words / speech carry the energy that links body and mind. Be mindful of all actions of body, speech and mind (to paraphrase the buddha's methods). Mind's nature being essentially empty, clear and luminous, mind will reflect and even magnify whatever we put into it. The life we each have and live today is essentially the sum total of the network of conversations we are having with our own heart/mind, and the conversations we are having with others in our environments. If that conversation is full of negativity, abuse, profanity and cynicism, one will have a life that is negative, abusive, profane and hopelessly cynical. This will manifest very quickly. Dear ones, always be careful about the power of your words and conversations! I invite you, Judi, or any considering the power of words to wound and injure (not yet convinced by your very own experience?) to look up the derivation (root) of the word "sarcasm" in your dictionary. Please report on what you find .... * * * * * I would also like to thank Wim for his timely words of wisdom, sharing the painful account of the power of words to inflict pain and damage. Harsha wrote: >Thanks American Dakini for hovering over us. >Love >Harsha ....And thank you Harshaji for opening up the space. Clouds do come and go but sun is always shining. Even when the children track mud into the sacred abode, I remember it as the blessed earth. I will keep witnessing, soaring and listening ... * * * * * Judi wrote: >******* *Hovering*, yes! You know Dakini, I had a dear friend >many years ago, who said of me, Judi is like the sky, you can't >put her into a milk carton, she simply doesn't fit! :-) Now I know >what he was talking about. :-) Well, that was then (many years ago); this is now. I have not been able to detect any sky-like spaciousness in your posted communications here, Judi. Au contrare, the cheap barbs and abusive language induce a profound contraction in people's hearts. Profanity doesn't shock me (I've worked with psychotics, the mentally ill and even the criminally insane for years) -- it's just so unskillful, unoriginal, inarticulate, uncivil and disrepsectful. Voice / words / speech carry the energy that links body and mind. Be mindful of all actions of body, speech and mind (to paraphrase the buddha's methods). Mind's nature being essentially empty, clear and luminous, mind will reflect and even magnify whatever we put into it. The life we each have and live today is essentially the sum total of the network of conversations we are having with our own heart/mind, and the conversations we are having with others in our environments. If that conversation is full of negativity, abuse, profanity and cynicism, one will have a life that is negative, abusive, profane and hopelessly cynical. This will manifest very quickly. Dear ones, always be careful about the power of your words and conversations! I invite you, Judi, or any considering the power of words to wound and injure (not yet convinced by your very own experience?) to look up the derivation (root) of the word "sarcasm" in your dictionary. Please report on what you find .... * * * * * I would also like to thank Wim for his timely words of wisdom, sharing the painful account of the power of words to inflict pain and damage. This is an aspect of our being that is so easily within our reach to transform. Each second we choose: no words, kind and helpful words, or harsh and hurting words. Words of love or words of fear and negativity. Yes, sometimes we must be firm. Boundaries must be set, whether you are focusing only on your own realization or the enlightenment of all beings. Let us not indulge people's victimhood or powerlessness; cynicism and resignation is a sneaky form of victimhood and projecting blame onto others and "circumstances beyond one's control". The only position of power is one of responsibility. Let us also not indulge melodramas. It is enabling, and not compassionate at all, to indulge verbal abuse. Set boundaries, set standards for civil, respectful communication and be an example. It is not necessary to sugar-coat your words or lie. This exhortaion is for the benefit of all. And remember the Law of Karma is alive and well in all of our lives!! (end of rant) Wishing you all pure and powerful speech, American Dakini Wim wrote: (on Humour or sniping) >Hi everyone, >I have a married couple as clients whose life together is quite peculiar. Now that humour has been brought up from various angles, I think it is worthwhile to bring this two-some up. I know it is extreme what they ended up with, but they started out very humorously in their relationship. I knew these people before they became clients as people who always left a raunchy kind of happiness behind with sour notes ringing in the background. As I got to know them better and observed their conversations it became clear to me that their way of communication was only through quips and clever remarks, often quite hilarious, they were really on the ball. But behind it was always some hurt that they did not seem to mind, gripes really, often cloaked in coarse laughter. They were very 'realistic'..."Such is life." They also smoked and drank quite on the heavy side. Their humour was primed, so to say, with sarcasm, little pricks and teases. That was not why they became clients though. The lady one morning came to our place as she had almost been strangled... while making love. Their humour was a gallows humour... quite nasty. Their love making eventually had them hanging from ropes and chains. Paining each other became their enjoyment, their eroticism had taken that turn. Now this is extreme as these two got to a point that only by being incredibly mean to each other could they get some form of warped bliss (?) going, and they needed more and more. They got into reading some pretty heavy stuff from the web and started experimenting with pain induced sex. Eventually they almost strangled each other. It started with humour? Was this humour? What is humour really...? If there is sniping in it, griping, a getting back at somebody with quick repartees, needling comments in the guise of teases etc... it ain't no humour. A :-) happy face does not do the job. These two are finally willing to check their language and take it from there. After some serious ultimatums were agreed upon. A long road... Yes we started with language... after all they tried to get at each other's throat... Love, Wim (off pulpit ...) Wishing you all pure and powerful speech, American Dakini * * * * * Wim wrote: (on Humour or sniping) >Hi everyone, >I have a married couple as clients whose life together is quite peculiar. Now that humour has been brought up from various angles, I think it is worthwhile to bring this two-some up. I know it is extreme what they ended up with, but they started out very humorously in their relationship. I knew these people before they became clients as people who always left a raunchy kind of happiness behind with sour notes ringing in the background. As I got to know them better and observed their conversations it became clear to me that their way of communication was only through quips and clever remarks, often quite hilarious, they were really on the ball. But behind it was always some hurt that they did not seem to mind, gripes really, often cloaked in coarse laughter. They were very 'realistic'..."Such is life." They also smoked and drank quite on the heavy side. Their humour was primed, so to say, with sarcasm, little pricks and teases. That was not why they became clients though. The lady one morning came to our place as she had almost been strangled... while making love. Their humour was a gallows humour... quite nasty. Their love making eventually had them hanging from ropes and chains. Paining each other became their enjoyment, their eroticism had taken that turn. Now this is extreme as these two got to a point that only by being incredibly mean to each other could they get some form of warped bliss (?) going, and they needed more and more. They got into reading some pretty heavy stuff from the web and started experimenting with pain induced sex. Eventually they almost strangled each other. It started with humour? Was this humour? What is humour really...? If there is sniping in it, griping, a getting back at somebody with quick repartees, needling comments in the guise of teases etc... it ain't no humour. A :-) happy face does not do the job. These two are finally willing to check their language and take it from there. After some serious ultimatums were agreed upon. A long road... Yes we started with language... after all they tried to get at each other's throat... Love, Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2001 Report Share Posted February 25, 2001 On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:14:20 -0000 dakini writes: > Harsha wrote: > > >Thanks American Dakini for hovering over us. > > >Love > >Harsha > > ...And thank you Harshaji for opening up the space. Clouds do > come and go but sun is always shining. Even when the children > track mud into the sacred abode, I remember it as the blessed > earth. > > I will keep witnessing, soaring and listening ... > > * * * * * > Judi wrote: > > >******* *Hovering*, yes! You know Dakini, I had a dear friend > >many years ago, who said of me, Judi is like the sky, you can't > >put her into a milk carton, she simply doesn't fit! :-) Now I know > >what he was talking about. :-) > > Well, that was then (many years ago); this is now. I have not > been able to detect any sky-like spaciousness in your posted > communications here, Judi. Ah, but is this perhaps a failure of detection rather than an actual absence of "spaciousness?" > Au contrare, the cheap barbs and > abusive language induce a profound contraction in people's > hearts. I view such generalizations as extremely suspect. Many of those whom we venerate as masters today were extremely controversial is their times for their unswerving willingness to confront people's habitual comfort zones in ways that would "induce a profound contraction in people's hearts" -- except for those lucky few who were ready to gaze back into the mirror that was the master. > Profanity doesn't shock me (I've worked with psychotics, > the mentally ill and even the criminally insane for years) -- it's > just > so unskillful, unoriginal, inarticulate, uncivil and disrepsectful. Well then, now we know know your opinion -- thanks for sharing! > > Voice / words / speech carry the energy that links body and mind. Nah, "mind" is a fiction created by thought to deceive itself into believing it is an ongoing entity rather than the transient phenomenon it actually is. Body is inexorably linked to "mind" because thought itself has a physiological basis -- with or without "Voice / words / speech." > Be mindful of all actions of body, speech and mind (to > paraphrase the buddha's methods). Mind's nature being > essentially empty, clear and luminous, mind will reflect and even > magnify whatever we put into it. That which is empty, clear, and luminous can neither reflect nor magnify -- it can only illuminate. When we confuse the "mind" which reacts and consciousness which abides we foist our own confusion upon our readers. > The life we each have and live > today is essentially the sum total of the network of conversations > we are having with our own heart/mind, and the conversations > we are having with others in our environments. If that > conversation is full of negativity, abuse, profanity and cynicism, > one will have a life that is negative, abusive, profane and > hopelessly cynical. This will manifest very quickly. Dear ones, > always be careful about the power of your words and > conversations! I didn't know the lecture lamp was lit! Let us distill this lovely speech to it's essence, shall we? Translation: "To do no harm is to walk on eggshells. Any words that do not fall within my preconceptions of correct speech will earn one or more pejoratives including (but not limited to) 'negative, abusive, profane and hopelessly cynical'. I have spoken!" > > I invite you, Judi, or any considering the power of words to wound > and injure (not yet convinced by your very own experience?) to > look up the derivation (root) of the word "sarcasm" in your > dictionary. Please report on what you find .... > I invite you, who call yourself "Dakini," to rediscover the Dakini essence, to whit: "Superficially, the Dakini embodies the spirit of female wrath, she appears to dance in a wild frenzy, bent on destruction, chaos, and transformation. She is naked except for a necklace of skulls around her neck. The skulls are those of her slain victims. In her right hand she holds a vajra or knife. In the left she caries a skullcup, it is filled with blood which shedrinks. In most images of the Dakini she is seen dancing on the corpse of a human." Does this sound like tiptoeing civility to you? Like Whitman, we all "contain multitudes," but surely "Dakini" evokes the dance of Shiva and not the rote scolding of "Miss Manners" or some inveterately affirmative twelve-stepper! I would respectfully advise you not to impersonate she whom you are unwilling to embody. In deference to Harshadeva, who is my brother and whose satsangha we attend here, I now return to my usual silence on such matters -- this is Harsha's house, and to step in is to agree to his rules. Peace! > * * * * * > > * * * * * [mucho snippage] http://come.to/realization http://www.atman.net/realization http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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