Guest guest Posted March 14, 2001 Report Share Posted March 14, 2001 - GCWein1111 (AT) aol (DOT) com Tuesday, March 13, 2001 4:21 PM Re: SOS The guy who did the acupuncture is an excellent MD, and he also advised me to avoid conventional doctors, saying they have no understanding of my condition. Some of you know that l've been struggling with side effects of k for many years. Over 5 yrs ago after intense energy work l became terribly ill and couldn't eat for 4 months, losing a whole lot of weight and thinking l was going to die. Altho l feel my process has progressed as a whole, certain debilitating effects have persisted, including: excessive stomach gas (especially at nite) and low back/buttock pain which has severly limited activites. The stomach stuff has slightly improved during this time except when my energy is overstimulated. l've learned over time what foods to eat and what my best comfort foods are when the energy's really moving. As l've stated in the past, l feel this subject of food is mostly an individual thing for each of us. What always works for me is soft bland foods, usually with a dairy component, such as cream of wheat, cream of tomato soup, cottage cheese, yogurt, etc. Dear Jerry, Since you meantioned the dairy, it does make me wonder if you may be lactose intolerant. Gas and pain is the main symptom of this. Sometimes people may tolerate smaller amounts and only react at higher levels of lactose, such as you up dairy content when in distress. Its a a wild stab..but just thought to ask. http://www.niddk.nih.gov/health/digest/pubs/lactose/lactose.htm LOve, Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2001 Report Share Posted March 14, 2001 On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:41:48 -0500 "Gloria Lee" <glee (AT) intrepid (DOT) net> writes: - GCWein1111 (AT) aol (DOT) com Tuesday, March 13, 2001 4:21 PM Re: SOS The guy who did the acupuncture is an excellent MD, and he also advised me to avoid conventional doctors, saying they have no understanding of my condition. Some of you know that l've been struggling with side effects of k for many years. Over 5 yrs ago after intense energy work l became terribly ill and couldn't eat for 4 months, losing a whole lot of weight and thinking l was going to die. Altho l feel my process has progressed as a whole, certain debilitating effects have persisted, including: excessive stomach gas (especially at nite) and low back/buttock pain which has severly limited activites. The stomach stuff has slightly improved during this time except when my energy is overstimulated. l've learned over time what foods to eat and what my best comfort foods are when the energy's really moving. As l've stated in the past, l feel this subject of food is mostly an individual thing for each of us. What always works for me is soft bland foods, usually with a dairy component, such as cream of wheat, cream of tomato soup, cottage cheese, yogurt, etc. Dear Jerry, Since you meantioned the dairy, it does make me wonder if you may be lactose intolerant. Gas and pain is the main symptom of this. Sometimes people may tolerate smaller amounts and only react at higher levels of lactose, such as you up dairy content when in distress. Its a a wild stab..but just thought to ask. http://www.niddk.nih.gov/health/digest/pubs/lactose/lactose.htm LOve, Gloria Lactose intolerance is more common among folks of Arab, Berber, and Jewish extraction as well those with Mediterranean heritage -- Greece, Italy, southern Iberia, the Balkans, coastal northern Africa, etc., as well as those with African bloodlines. I haven't been able to handle whole milk (a dubious food for humans in any case) since my early '20s, so it seems to be something that can worsen with age. If you have an ulcer or a pre-ulcerous condition involving infection, dairy foods are among the worst things you can consume, whether you're lactose intolerant or not -- the bacteria involved *feast* on the high protein and fat content and become more troublesome! I'm just a tad bothered by your attending MDiety's warning about "conventional doctors" -- while they're are certainly some big shortcomings to allopathy, some internists and GPs are very good at treating acute conditions and/or alleviating the accompanying pain. http://come.to/realizationhttp://www.atman.net/realizationhttp://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htmhttp://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2001 Report Share Posted March 14, 2001 Hi Gloria, l feel quite certain that l'm not lactose intolerant. l've always reacted well to dairy products, altho since l've long been on a very low fat vegetarian diet l don't usually consume that much dairy. As l said, l eat more dairy when energy episodes weaken my digestive system, and these products always enable me to continue to eat and to minimize the difficulty until the episode passes. l may have misstated what this doctor said -- he didn't warn me about doctors -- he simply commented that they wouldn't understand my medical profile, which of course l already know from personal experience. This guy is a wonderful doctor who is highly respected by everyone. He's definitely not one to dismiss conventional medicine. l'm sure he still uses it in his practice. l may still wind up getting checked out with diagnostic tests if my condition doesn't improve soon, simply out of desperation, but given my reaction to medicine in recent years l have zero confidence that they can give me anything that will help. Thanx for sending me the url providing info on alternative remedies. There was some good stuff there. love, jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2001 Report Share Posted March 14, 2001 Dear Jerry, Since you meantioned the dairy, it does make me wonder if you may be lactose intolerant. Gas and pain is the main symptom of this. Sometimes people may tolerate smaller amounts and only react at higher levels of lactose, such as you up dairy content when in distress. Its a a wild stab..but just thought to ask. http://www.niddk.nih.gov/health/digest/pubs/lactose/lactose.htm LOve, Gloria Lactose intolerance is more common among folks of Arab, Berber, and Jewish extraction as well those with Mediterranean heritage -- Greece, Italy, southern Iberia, the Balkans, coastal northern Africa, etc., as well as those with African bloodlines. I haven't been able to handle whole milk (a dubious food for humans in any case) since my early '20s, so it seems to be something that can worsen with age. If you have an ulcer or a pre-ulcerous condition involving infection, dairy foods are among the worst things you can consume, whether you're lactose intolerant or not -- the bacteria involved *feast* on the high protein and fat content and become more troublesome! I'm just a tad bothered by your attending MDiety's warning about "conventional doctors" -- while they're are certainly some big shortcomings to allopathy, some internists and GPs are very good at treating acute conditions and/or alleviating the accompanying pain. Good point Bruce. The article I cited mentioned a rather high percentage allergic in the general population as well. One of my son's was quite ill with painful symtoms until this was diagnosed in his 20's, which is what prompted us to learn more about it. It is more likely to develop as people age, too. "Between 30 and 50 million Americans are lactose intolerant. Certain ethnic and racial populations are more widely affected than others. As many as 75 percent of all African-Americans and Native Americans and 90 percent of Asian-Americans are lactose intolerant. The condition is least common among persons of northern European descent." Thanks for the other warnings. Avoiding dairy lessens the risk of breat cancer for women, due to the hormones. There is a much lower incidence in Asian populations which use soy products. Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2001 Report Share Posted March 15, 2001 Dear William, Just wanted to thank you for your over-the-top dissertation (know one does it better, my friend) )). l'm sure that, as you infer, somewhere among the soy garbage, dehydrated seawater, chlorine, and abused chickens lies the true genesis of my problems. You've given me the comic cathartic moment l needed. l put out a plea on all three lists l'm on for suggestions for natual remedies for gastritis. Since then l've received many helpful responses, but have also gotten 100 different medical diagnoses and theories about food and nutrition -- most, of course, completely contradicting each other. lf l didn't have an ulcer before, l've probably got one now. But your last post helps my convulsing stomach muscles relax a little. (l hope no one is offended by this, most of all Glo who is a dear soul who means well and provided me with a good url. l have a woman on another list, though, who is partially succeeding in her attempt to scare the hell out of me. So, l'm just having a laugh at this, which is probably more helpful than anything else.) l think there is much truth in what you say, William, about not panicking and just hanging in there with this. Because of my intolerance for medicines, this is what l've been doing with my Gl tract and other energy related ills for many years, and l'm still alive. l was only looking for a natural product to help ease the way thru this latest episode. lt appears the DGL is filling this role somewhat, but l think positive thoughts are probably most helpful. Otherwise, if this doesn't continue to improve, l'll turn myself over to the men in white coats. jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2001 Report Share Posted March 15, 2001 Dear intolerant :-) dairy allergy sufferers :-), (I don't think that this includes Jerry.) The homogenizing and pasteurising processing of milk contributes quite a bit to dairy allergies and intolerances. Processing is done to increase shelf life, OF COURSE ppl. have trouble digesting milk as the natural rotting or digestive agents have been eliminated from processed food stuff. If you have it available, drink raw milk, buttermilk or yoghurt or.... indeed sour milk (from raw milk) as they do in the Balkan countries (just the right PH for our stomach) BUT help yourself first with re-establishing a flora and enzyme rich environment in your gut, take full spectrum digestive enzymes, 2 to 3 times the recommended dose than what is stated on the packaging, acidophilus, phyto nutrients, etc. Do this for a year and also 'sick' it out as sickness is a sign of healing. Repeat, sickness is a sign of healing, repeat sickness is a sign of healing, repeat si... Also have a look at: http://aurasphere.dhs.org/Kundalini%20Posts/RecipesAndDiet If that does not work start from: http://www.aurasphere.dhs.org and look for Recipes and Diet Of course everyone has opinions so do I... BTW. Since about 10 years, commercial organic fruit and vegetables generally do not come anymore from old fashioned country farms where chickens run free and goats roam about, and pigs and other cattle are around. Thus these 'certified' organic product are 'clinically' clean, they are very low in digestives enzymes as they need the smelly stuff around. Also molds (sp?) are important as in Camembert type cheeses. Too clean is clinical, and... sickness is a sign of healing, do not prematurely intervene. Of course we need to be judicious about it, we don't have to be stupid... (You are right Gloria, about doctors, I work with general practitioners, have no qualms about a good doctor's usefulness... and they are appreciating my work too. BTW 2 About 45 years ago, soy pulp used to be THE waste product of the soy oil industry. They invented reconstituted meat like protein products to turn the stuff into a money generator. I remember it well, back in Holland, my mother (and thus our family) was part of the testing group (Uni-Lever), the stuff did not take well with the general public (my mother did not like it) she had trouble digesting it... gas, belching... We as kids had fun... my mother not..., neither does Jerry... ( I'm not suggesting that Jerry eats soy products in large amounts, but maybe he does to some extent?) The soy producer cartels (bad bad Holland) then picked up the good reputation of soy sauce and soy curd as used in Indonesia (bad bad Holland) and China where these products are naturally fermented as Ketjap, Foo You (small cubes of soy cheese, very tasty but very smelly, so good in Sushi), nothing wrong in China as the figures attest, something wrong though when it turns into Maggi and when we introduce chemo-fabricated soy products to Westerners. Ever been in China, even modern cities like Hong Kong have smelly back alleys were the food is prepared. Anyway the soy industry started to make "soy sound good" and slowly got soy introduced in the healthfood world and oh-migosh in... baby food. This was in the early seventies... Those kids are now coming to reap the troublesome profi... oops problems... allergies, food intolerant gut, gastro-intestinal disorders etc... BTW 3 About 40 years ago the chemical industry used dehydrated seawater to extract a host of minerals and chemicals from it. The waste product was refined white sea salt. They were able to market it to the health food industry that gobbled it up... Oops though... they forgot to put the iodine back in, so some ppl. got very sick on it and they quickly added iodine. All is well ???? The stuff is actually as bad or worse than kitchen salt or unrefined white sugar... Anyway you get the gist... We are constantly being held by the nose... we smell nothing, we see nothing, we hear nothing, we taste nothing... but what they (?) feed us is all under the guise of goody goodiness. Celtic unrefined seasalt is the way to go.. That will help many people with thyroid problems, in my practice about 60 percent of my clientele... chlorinated water is also the problem... BTW 4 About 50 years ago there was a chlorine glut... well you get the picture... Is this satsangh stuff? Yes, when a person like Jerry gets affected I find it wise to tell more of what I know.... Hey, go back to the farm, hard work, chopping wood too and carrying water and smelly. But oh is it healthy! Remember the first years of Mother Nature magazine, was that Rodale Press? I'm getting old I think (hehe) as I start talking of the good old days... Seen our pixy lately: Emmy is 60, I am 57 years old.. What the heck is happening to us... is the sun turning the other way or what? Love, the natural way, Wim Attachment: (image/bmp) Emmy and Wim 03 12 01.bmp [not stored] Attachment: (image/bmp) Wim March 1 2001.bmp [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2001 Report Share Posted March 15, 2001 I'm am getting treatment (enzyme potentiated desensitization, if anybody is interested) from an environmental medicine physician/allergist for arthritis, among other symptoms. He notes that people who first suffer arthritis in childhood, as I did, almost always improve if taken off dairy products! The arthritis is aggravated by a bacterium that loves dairy sugar and attacks the body's own joint systems. Yoghurt seems to be okay, though. Holly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2001 Report Share Posted March 15, 2001 Dear Jerry, Do I remember that right, is DGL liquorice? In Dutch we call it drop, zoute drop, drop beertjes, zoet hout (chewable liquorice twigs, about 4 inches long 3/8 of an inch thick) Laughter yes, laughter... "over the top" indeed. I hoped actually that I would cause mental indigestion in you, from my mega dose of words, laughter is the next best thing... hehehe. Love, Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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