Guest guest Posted March 17, 2001 Report Share Posted March 17, 2001 I can't say much about this topic but you all are making me think of Mountain Dew. Its sort of yellowish also for those who are into that sort of color thing. I remember drinking Mountain Dew when I was a teenager and it made me feel so good and full of energy. Years later, when I started reading the labels, I realized it had a huge dose of caffeine in it. My favorite drink growing up was fresh cane juice (called RO). That was big business in Amritsar, India in the summer. They made it right in front of you. The whole canes go through the machines and the dark liquid comes spurting out in the jars. Of course one hoped that none of the flies hovering around got caught in the machines and got mixed into your drink. Ice along with a little spice and black salt was always added to make it a really cooling and a totally refreshing drink. Well in 100 degree weather, that was one fine drink. Fresh Mango shakes and orange juice is also right up there when one is thirsty. Each to their own I say, each to their own. Nothing wrong with drinking what you like and what works for you. I usually advise against the soft drinks though. Rough on the stomach and no nutritive value. I love your open mindedness Mike, especially for an M.D! Here is drinking to you kid! :-). Hope you are all well Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2001 Report Share Posted March 17, 2001 In a message dated 3/17/01 2:08:44 PM, harsha-hkl writes: >I love your open mindedness Mike, especially for an M.D! Here is drinking >to you kid! :-) :-) Thanks Harsha! I must say that this is the first time I've ever been toasted with imaginary urine (or is that Mountain Dew?). Sadly, it is quite true that most M.D.'s (or at least most of the ones that I have known both in private practice and when I was on the faculty of a medical school) are quite closed-minded when it comes to alternative therapies. Of course, this is not at all news to most of you (and especially to people like Jerry whose k-related problems would not even be recognized as "real" by most allopathic practitioners). Life has become so much easier for me now that I have made a conscious effort to give up being "right." I no longer have to have all the answers, even in my given field of expertise (psychiatry). I have found being able to say "I don't know" is tremendously liberating. And what this really seems to come down to for me is lessening my attachment to ego. As I become less identified with my personal history and drama it is becoming much less important to look good to others. I still haven't found an answer to the question, "Who Am I" (and I realize that the reason for asking the question is not to find an intellectual answer to the question) but by keeping it in mind I am having an easier time realizing what I am not. Thank you, Harsha, for providing this space for reflection and realization, and thank to everyone else for listening. Love, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2001 Report Share Posted March 17, 2001 In a message dated 3/17/01 7:33:50 PM, aurasphere writes: >I experienced no danger with people on SSRIs or SSNRIs (Prozac type meds.) >In fact the efficacy of the meds improved. > >Lithium, I don't know... The SSRI's are as a rule broken down in the liver, and the breakdown products are excreted in the urine. However, some of the medication is excreted whole (not broken down) in the urine, and it stands to reason that if you ingest the urine, you are ingesting more medication. Also, the breakdown products that are excreted in the urine can sometimes be biologically active medications themselves. As for Lithium, it is excreted unchanged in the urine (as its primary way of getting out of the body). Lithium isn't a standard medication, as it is an actual element (like sodium or potassium). It doesn't undergo any breakdown at all. Being similar to sodium, it can be secreted in sweat (thus exercising can decrease one's lithium level). Also, medications which change the amount of sodium in the urine (i.e., diuretics) can drastically change how much lithium is excreted in the urine. So, if one is taking lithium it is probably not a good idea to drink your urine (and as for drinking someone else's urine, I'm not even going to touch that one, so to speak This is especially so because lithium has a so-called low therapeutic index (meaning that the difference in blood levels between being therapeutic and being toxic is relatively small). Gee, aren't you sorry you asked? Love, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2001 Report Share Posted March 17, 2001 In a message dated 3/17/01 11:28:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, UnbrknCh8n writes: << Gee, aren't you sorry you asked? Love, Mike >> Dear Mike: Yes, I knew that lithium is an element and different than other drugs like SSRI's. I have been on this merry journey for many years. I just had no idea of how it is excreted. I know that lithium levels are a delicate balance and I know what lithium intoxication is like, something I am eager not to repeat. I am just astounded that I can ask a question like this and get such a precise and detailled answer, because well, imagine if I went in and asked my psychiatric pharmacologist???? "You want to know WHAT??" (Mad scramble to look in my chart and check on my meds.....must be time for a change....she wants to know about drinking her own urine.....must be that damned equinox...) ;-) Thanks for that answer. Love, Frances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2001 Report Share Posted March 17, 2001 Dear Jessica and Frances. I experienced no danger with people on SSRIs or SSNRIs (Prozac type meds.) In fact the efficacy of the meds improved. Lithium, I don't know... Love Wim > Hi Frances, > To my knowledge, it's not advised for those on medication. > Can be dangerous. Check out the site Beth posted. A lot of good information > there. Good luck to you. > > Love, > ~jessica > Cyclotheme [Cyclotheme] > > I have been curious about this practice for a long time but never tried it > because I take lithium every day and I was worried about upsetting my > lithium > level, either lowering it or increasing it. I am sure lithium must be > excreted in urine, it makes me so thirsty all the time. Does anyone have any > comments on the effects of drinking urine on those who have to take > medication? > Frances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2001 Report Share Posted March 17, 2001 Oh Harsha... you... :-) You wrote: > I can't say much about this topic but you all are making me think of > Mountain Dew. Its sort of yellowish also for those who are into that sort of > color thing. Are you whimsically sidestepping the issue at hand? Miraculously the stuff we are talking about shows up as blue on TV ads about baby diapers and in incontinence commercials.. Or have I not seen it all? Do blue blooded ppl. pass blue hued morning dew? Jestfully Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2001 Report Share Posted March 17, 2001 Hi Wim & Frances, On the Urine Therapy Home Page as (Beth) listed in http://www.texasonline.net/langley/columns/drink.htm, click on general information, then contraindications. This was also the advice of the medical qigong doctor I (learned to have great respect for) studied with (when the topic came up). Concentrations of medication can be present in the urine. Love, ~jess Wim Borsboom [aurasphere] Saturday, March 17, 2001 6:33 PM Re: A useful medicine and always close at hand. Dear Jessica and Frances. I experienced no danger with people on SSRIs or SSNRIs (Prozac type meds.) In fact the efficacy of the meds improved. Lithium, I don't know... Love Wim > Hi Frances, > To my knowledge, it's not advised for those on medication. > Can be dangerous. Check out the site Beth posted. A lot of good information > there. Good luck to you. > > Love, > ~jessica > Cyclotheme [Cyclotheme] > > I have been curious about this practice for a long time but never tried it > because I take lithium every day and I was worried about upsetting my > lithium > level, either lowering it or increasing it. I am sure lithium must be > excreted in urine, it makes me so thirsty all the time. Does anyone have any > comments on the effects of drinking urine on those who have to take > medication? > Frances /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at www., and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription between digest and normal mode. Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2001 Report Share Posted March 18, 2001 Hi Mike, You wrote: > The SSRI's are as a rule broken down in the liver, and the breakdown products > are excreted in the urine. Absolutely, I was going to mention that about the liver, as it shows up on my bio energy apparatus in the 'liver' graph. When the SSRIs are effective it shows up as a raised level of energy in the liver, an elevated straight graph rather than an up and down graph (which would indicate bipolar or manic depression tendencies). The graph for the 'stomach' also shows the same up and down graph for stressed or depressed clients but... often no graph at all until... the client is willing to take counselling... From then on the stomach starts showing energy. I often see a symbolic meaning in this as in "You cannot stomach life it seems?" The client will typically answer affirmative to that sentence (an engram). I gently get these people to increase their hydrochloric acid levels which they are very often not willing to do when I suggest a natural approach. I then attempt counselling first, very often discovering that the mother has had gastro-intestinal problems when pregnant... etc. This is so interesting and hopeful when the client discovers that the cause is not their own doing. > However, some of the medication is excreted > whole (not broken down) in the urine, and it stands to reason that if you > ingest the urine, you are ingesting more medication. Actualy not more but... again, which may increase the daily dose. I have seen this to be advantageous though for the SSRI's. > products that are excreted in the urine can sometimes be biologically active > medications themselves. Yes, yes. > As for Lithium, it is excreted unchanged in the urine (as its primary way > of getting out of the body). Lithium isn't a standard medication, as it is > an actual element (like sodium or potassium). It doesn't undergo any > breakdown at all. Being similar to sodium, it can be secreted in sweat > (thus exercising can decrease one's lithium level). Also, medications > which change the amount of sodium in the urine (i.e., diuretics) can > drastically change how much lithium is excreted in the urine. Thanks Mike, I now understand this better. I see all this intuitively. (I'm clairvoyant, but understanding does not come automatically with clairvoyancy... I have to work at that and I love that) > So, if one is taking lithium it is probably not a good idea to drink your > urine Agreed... I find that in clients that are taking lithium that their sodium pottassium balance is totally out of wack... Sweats (hot and cold), early morning low body temp, to do with the thyroid I found out from the graphs on my machine... Table salt, refined seasalt, chlorinated water being a great culprit there. BTW softdrinks are reconstituted (especially the kind they serve at 7/11s, theaters, hamburger and pizza places) with city water with typically high chlorine levels. If in addition these ppl take diet pop the aspartamine creates even more havoc. Oh is there ever an end to this? The salts in the urine are a better mix, but unrefined grey seasalt is a less difficult product to advice than have ppl. to consume their own urine. > (and as for drinking someone else's urine, I'm not even going to > touch that one, so to speak No, that should not be done... Mike, I'm happy someone asked and you answered... Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2001 Report Share Posted March 18, 2001 UnbrknCh8n [unbrknCh8n] Saturday, March 17, 2001 10:56 PM Re: A useful medicine and always close at hand. In a message dated 3/17/01 2:08:44 PM, harsha-hkl writes: >I love your open mindedness Mike, especially for an M.D! Here is drinking >to you kid! :-) :-) Thanks Harsha! I must say that this is the first time I've ever been toasted with imaginary urine (or is that Mountain Dew?). _____ Just toasting you with oranges and morning Tea Mike. __________ Sadly, it is quite true that most M.D.'s (or at least most of the ones that I have known both in private practice and when I was on the faculty of a medical school) are quite closed-minded when it comes to alternative therapies. Of course, this is not at all news to most of you (and especially to people like Jerry whose k-related problems would not even be recognized as "real" by most allopathic practitioners). Life has become so much easier for me now that I have made a conscious effort to give up being "right." I no longer have to have all the answers, even in my given field of expertise (psychiatry). I have found being able to say "I don't know" is tremendously liberating. And what this really seems to come down to for me is lessening my attachment to ego. As I become less identified with my personal history and drama it is becoming much less important to look good to others. I still haven't found an answer to the question, "Who Am I" (and I realize that the reason for asking the question is not to find an intellectual answer to the question) but by keeping it in mind I am having an easier time realizing what I am not. Thank you, Harsha, for providing this space for reflection and realization, and thank to everyone else for listening. Love, Mike __________________________ Thanks for being here Mike. Just want to remind you of the article you promised for the HS Magazine. Doing it publicly to turn the pressure on. HA HA HA! Hey, you have several months. Love Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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