Guest guest Posted March 24, 2001 Report Share Posted March 24, 2001 Hi All: Night before last, I had three Nero Wolfe mysteries lying on my coffee table... picked from the shelf and arranged by copyright date. I had finished the first one and put it on the bottom of the pile... the next one was waiting. It was after 2:00 in the morning... Suddenly there was a horrific crash outside. I ran out and looked up and down the street. Off to my right, on the other side of the street, I saw a car sticking out into the street, and clouds of smoke or steam were rising from it. I ran back inside and called 911. The man on 911 told me to go back out and see how many people were involved and whether anyone was hurt... he said he would hold on. I ran back out. A number of people were standing out there... just standing still, staring at the wreck, doing nothing. As I went closer, I saw a man sitting in the car in the driver's seat. I asked someone near me whether he was all right, but no one seemed to know. I went close and saw he was conscious. I asked, "Are you all right?" He nodded once, but he didn't look okay. I didn't know whether he even knew that I had asked something or that he had nodded. I went back in and told the man on 911 that there was one man and he needed help... I said I didn't know whether he was drunk or injured, but something was wrong. The man told me to go back out and keep anyone from moving him. I went back out, but no one was trying to get near him at all... He was still sitting there... blood was running down from his nose and maybe from his mouth. I just stood by him, in case he started to fall over, and the ambulance pulled up very soon. The emergency team took over, and they said they didn't need me, so I went back inside. I began to think that I should have waited to see if he was seriously injured and needed spiritual help, so I went back out. They had him on a stretcher and were working on him. I asked an attendant if he was conscious... yes, he was. I said I came back out to see if he needed anything more... because I'm a minister. I asked, Has he been asking for a padre or something? The cop said, No, he's just been swearing. ) He told me to wait for someone to get details from me, so I waited around and answered questions. No, I didn't see the accident, just heard it. Yes, the man was in the driver's seat. No, I didn't see any other people, just one. After I came back inside, I sat here thinking about it all. It bothered me that I had never looked down into the back seat to see whether someone might have been there, maybe on the floor... but I supposed the police would have checked that. I picked up my new book and opened it... and read: > That sunny September day was full of surprises. > The first one came when, after my swift realization that the sedan was >still right side up and the windshield and windows intact, I switched off >the ignition and turned to look at the back seat. I didn't suppose the >shock of the collision would have hurled him to the floor, knowing as I >did that when the car was in motion he always had his feet braced and kept >a firm grip on the strap; what I expected was the ordeal of facing a glare >of fury that would top all records; what I saw was him sitting there >calmly on the seat with his massive round face wearing a look of relief - >if I knew his face, and I certainly knew Nero Wolfe's face. I stared at >him in astonishment. > He murmured, "Thank God," as if it came from his heart. > I demanded, "What?" > "I said thank God." He let go of the strap and wiggled a finger at me. >"It has happened, and here we are. I presume you know, since I've told >you, that my distrust and hatred of vehicles in motion is partly based on >my plerophory that their apparent submission to control is illusory and >that they may at their pleasure, and sooner or later will, act on whim. >Very well, this one has, and we are intact. Thank God the whim was not a >deadlier one." This seems to me such an interesting case because there is no way that one event could have caused the other... no question of the operation of causation, cause and effect... just pure synchronicity. Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2001 Report Share Posted March 25, 2001 Dharma ; ; D_Group Saturday, March 24, 2001 9:20 PM A case of synchronicity Hi All:It was after 2:00 in the morning... Suddenly there was a horrific crashoutside. I picked up my new book and opened it... and read:> That sunny September day was full of surprises.This seems to me such an interesting case because there is no way that oneevent could have caused the other... no question of the operation ofcausation, cause and effect... just pure synchronicity.Love,Dharma Hello Dharma, I would not leave the "responsibility" of the "two" events as pure synchronicity. There is something to learn from anything, Even if this something is to learn that the smallest detail of attention may have an outcome at some level. Enjoy being there, Antoine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2001 Report Share Posted March 26, 2001 Hi Antoine! >> This seems to me such an interesting case because there is >> no way that one event could have caused the other... no question of >> the operation of causation, cause and effect... just pure >> synchronicity. > > Hello Dharma, I would not leave the "responsibility" of the >"two" events as pure synchronicity. As I recall, Jung postulated the two principles of causation and synchronicity as completely different ways of viewing and experiencing the world, one Western and one Eastern. I don't think we can view two synchronous events as having "responsibility" in some way, which I guess would be one being responsible for the other. (BTW, that book was lying there for a while, the next one to read. I could just as easily have picked it up and started reading it _before_ the crash.) > There is something to learn from >anything, Even if this something is to learn that the >smallest detail of attention may have an outcome at some >level. An interesting thought... when we learn something from synchronicity and apply it to our normal experience, it seems that we are shifting something from synchronicity to causation... or maybe the learning from it happens in the context of causation. > Enjoy being there, Yes!! Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2001 Report Share Posted March 26, 2001 Hello Dharma, As I recall, Jung postulated the two principles of causation andsynchronicity as completely different ways of viewing and experiencing theworld, one Western and one Eastern. I don't think we can view twosynchronous events as having "responsibility" in some way, which I guesswould be one being responsible for the other. It depends from where one looks. Of course if one looks from nowhere, synchronicity or causation do not mean anything or mean the same thing. Synchro or anomalies in the "causation structure of the surrounding" may happen more to some than others. It generates a causation or a "responsibility", either way. Why does this person generate synchros? or why synchros are generate around this person? What is the world of causation that the presence of this person "desynchronize"? What does make two event separate? Maybe "someone" in the book you where reading wanted you to pick the book, because in some way it felt that it could "liberate" something by being read by you. But this entity in the book could not wait, before you read it, so it bursted up in your 3d reality to say hello by creating an event. I find this last explanation as good as the Jung postulate... But it brings out to ask, why this entity, wanted to pass by you to realize itself, instead of anyone else who has been reading the book before? Did it happen to other people who read the book before? Why did the writer write about this stuff, where did he or she find the inspiration for it? So many questions, so many possible explanations, to which the intuition may listen too. In reality I have no explanation to offer. But I know that each though I form to write this email, is only a synchronicity of an infinity of events talking to themselves and sometimes forming an impression of causation to the limit where a form of language may seem to form. Why should it be different in some situations? (BTW, that book was lying there for a while, the next one to read. I couldjust as easily have picked it up and started reading it _before_ the crash.)> There is something to learn from>anything, Even if this something is to learn that the>smallest detail of attention may have an outcome at some>level.An interesting thought... when we learn something from synchronicity andapply it to our normal experience, it seems that we are shifting somethingfrom synchronicity to causation... or maybe the learning from it happensin the context of causation. Sri Aurobindo would call it an integral development, I guess. Antoine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2001 Report Share Posted March 26, 2001 I agree with your view on synchronicity, Antoine. \/\///\/\ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2001 Report Share Posted March 26, 2001 Hi Antoine, >>As I recall, Jung postulated the two principles of >>causation andsynchronicity as completely different ways of viewing and >>experiencing theworld, one Western and one Eastern. I don't think we >>can view twosynchronous events as having "responsibility" in some way, which >>I guesswould be one being responsible for the >>other. > > It depends from where one looks. Of course if one looks from nowhere, >synchronicity or >causation do not mean anything or mean the same thing. Synchro or >anomalies in the "causation structure of the >surrounding" may happen more to some than others. It generates a causation >or a >"responsibility", either way. Why does this person generate synchros? or why >synchros are generate around this person? What is the world of causation >that the presence of this person "desynchronize"? What does make two >event separate? Maybe "someone" in the book you where reading wanted you >to pick the book, because in some way it felt that it could "liberate" >something >by being read by you. But this entity in the book I have a problem with the "entity in the book"... it was just the beginning of a mystery novel... an old one. > could not wait, before you >read it, so it bursted up in your 3d reality to say hello by creating an >event. I find this last explanation as good as the Jung >postulate... That's interesting! I can't think what message there was for me... unless it relates to a recent "crash" in my personal life. As Nero Wolfe said, Thank God! It's happened, and we're intact. It could have been worse. >So many questions, so many possible explanations, to which the >intuition may listen too. > >In reality I have no explanation to offer. > >But I know that each though I form to write this email, is >only a synchronicity of an infinity of events talking to themselves >and sometimes forming an impression of causation to the limit where a form of >language may seem to form. Interesting! But a bit beyond the grasp of my conscious mind. >>>There is >>>something to learn from>anything, Even if this something is >>>to learn that the>smallest detail of attention may have an outcome at >>>some>level. >> >>An interesting thought... >>when we learn something from synchronicity andapply it to our normal >>experience, it seems that we are shifting somethingfrom synchronicity to >>causation... or maybe the learning from it happensin the context of >>causation. > > Sri Aurobindo would call it an integral development, I >guess. Want to explain that some more? Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2001 Report Share Posted March 26, 2001 Dharma Monday, March 26, 2001 4:07 PM Re: A case of synchronicity Hi Antoine, (...) >>An interesting thought... >>when we learn something from synchronicity and apply it to our normal>>experience, it seems that we are shifting something from synchronicity to>>causation... or maybe the learning from it happens in the context of>>causation.> Sri Aurobindo would call it an integral development, I>guess.Want to explain that some more? :)Love,Dharma I guess it may have something to do with what he describes as the third state of consciousness. http://antoinecarre.com/tree/other/3times.htm I don't think I can explain it. Enjoy being there, Antoine "While there one can be wider than the world While there one is one's own infinity" Sri Aurobindo: Savitri (1.3) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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