Joyce/Namaste to all...

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>"Tim": To put things a certain way (neither personal nor impersonal) --

 

Joyce: Persononal, impersonal, either or none is Ok By me. "Intimate" is

nice.

>"Tim": It's a definite... Awareness *IS*... like the oxygen in the air,

> unaffected by smoke, utterly untouched... it seems that anything

> burnable has been burned, anything that has/had a seeking/striving

> momentum simply never was. "The wheel" never was.

 

Joyce: Sometimes definate, sometimes indefinite, I can have both. Glad you

have arrived, what does the scenery look like? The wheel does turn - unless

you now "see" no "others?"

>"Tim": If the life-story (person) called 'joyce' has less glorious moments

--

> complete, unconditional acceptance has to be the default... it

> couldn't be any other way.

 

Joyce: And so you say the same for "Tim"? - yet I sensed a kind of an

apology -like Im not what once I was ,what some one may have thought when

encountering me before so please forget all that etc. Much better now. All

gone, gone beyond and now quite shaped up spit and polish. Actually, I was

less than truthful, all my moments are glorious.

>"Tim": My motto" is "let come what comes, let go what goes." I am not

> driving the train. It seems I was chasing a train... then I was

> aboard the train and not in control of anything... and I

> have 'become' the train, and nobody is at the wheel, and life

> is 'living itself'.

 

Joyce: Love the metaphor but I won't make further comment. Choo Choo

>

>"Tim"; There is no such thing (seen from here) as "a less glorious moment."

> All moments are glorious. I have moods, of course... always brief...

> a brief burst of anger, a misinterpretation here and there... these

> things can't be avoided in communication, but I don't take words

> seriously.

 

Joyce: you mean a glorious moment of mood, a brief burst of glorious anger,

some glorious muddle? Or is it now you are a good boy whereas before you

were not a good boy. And while you communcicate to others on this list you

don't take words seriously?

>"Tim": "Moods" are for off-list. I no longer subject others to moods, I

> don't seek a cheering section or a jeering section. I am emptiness,

> and I am fullness.

 

Joyce: But not empty for moods and brief bursts of anger? Full of what? What

is your emptiness now?

>"Tim": I don't believe there's any end to 'discovery'. "Realization" is

> prior to itself. It was always Realized. As my friend Dan Berkow

> puts it so beautifully, 'just this, here'.

 

Joyce: Yes, Dan is so pithy, but we don't take words seriously now, alas.

And I don't know anything about "Realization" so can't say anything about

it, perhaps you can since you do know? Wots "it"?

 

"Just what is IT?"

Where is "here?"

 

Love Joyce